What will our country be like a year from now? (Page 17): son of witless also corrected me. My sincere apologies. I can see now that with your granddad it wasn't luck. :sm24:...

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

buffalo wrote:

That was my grandfather's point...He considered hi... (show quote)

son of witless also corrected me. My sincere apologies. I can see now that with your granddad it wasn't luck.

son of witless

buffalo wrote:

No need to pat yourself on the back. Lots of repulsives and those against helping the poor and needy lump all the poor and needy into the category of lazy and freeloading off the system, especially one's who have been thrown into that category through no fault of their own.

YES I DO KNOW ABOUT THOSE SYSTEMS. I believe it was slick willie that signed major welfare reform into law with the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. Remember that? Workfare costs 5 times as much as welfare did- and it does not produce tax payers. Paying more for childcare alone so parents can work min wage jobs is conservative insanity.

Yeah, bushie and a whole host of other conservatards have been trying to figure out a way to privatize Social Security for years. Hedge Fund managers' wet dream.How did privatizing Chile's pension system work out? Organizing basic social services like health, education and retirement primarily around market mechanisms—that is, access based on income and provision based on profit—only compounds inequalities.

The only way to fix Social Security's shortfall is to remove the cap and tax ALL incomes for FICA, even dividend and interest income and then means test for eligibility and make it off limits to greedy thieving politicians. Privatization is NOT the answer.

Yeah, you have fallen into that left/right, consevatard/libturd, demwit,repulsive false dichotomy blaming the ills and problems of government on the other side. In your case the "liberals". LOL

Yep, condemning a demwit President obammy for lavishing money on social programs at the expense of national defense is red meat for repulsive voters. And compared to the peak of war-time spending at the height of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — and the expectations that Pentagon planners once had for how much spending would grow — the defense budget was down. So your claim is misleading to say the least.

Having lived through the Great Depression my grandfather was a hard core democrat. He was a wealthy farmer and rancher thanks to Roosevelt's ag policies he was able to take advantage of and cash in handsomely when WWII broke out. He was a staunch pacifist and hated war.

No need to pat yourself on the back. Lots of repul... (show quote)

At this time I cannot refute everything you say, but thanks for giving me a detailed answer. That is all I ever ask of anyone on OPP. I will try to get back to you later when time permits, but for now.

" No need to pat yourself on the back. " I have few friends and if I don't pat myself on the back all I will ever get is kicks in the butt.

" Lots of repulsives and those against helping the poor and needy lump all the poor and needy into the category of lazy and freeloading off the system, especially one's who have been thrown into that category through no fault of their own. "

Many times I have been one step away from economic disaster in my life. I have given over the years substantial money to my local homeless shelter, because " there but for the grace of God go I . "

" YES I DO KNOW ABOUT THOSE SYSTEMS. I believe it was slick willie that signed major welfare reform into law with the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. Remember that? Workfare costs 5 times as much as welfare did- and it does not produce tax payers. Paying more for childcare alone so parents can work min wage jobs is conservative insanity. "

WTF do you get " Workfare costs 5 times as much as welfare did-". Anyone who knows my posts on OPP recognizes that I bash Clinton mercilessly anytime I can, but in this case Bill did the right thing. Putting a work requirement on welfare for those who can work did great things until the Village Idiot Obama reversed them ! !

buffalo Loc: Texas

son of witless wrote:

At this time I cannot refute everything you say, b... (show quote)

Yep, paying the child care for a mother to work a minimum wage job is not very cost effective...

I can't argue your opinion of either one of them...

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

son of witless wrote:

Your concern for those who have less than you is d... (show quote)

Well have it your way but I will say you are living with yesterdays game plan.
There is a new game plan & it has changed.

It has been my objective to point out how & where the changes have taken place.

All I can say is hanging on to yesterdays game plane is not going to get us where we would like to be.

son of witless

Fit2BTied wrote:

Sorry son of witless. That's what I get for not reading the previous message. Buffalo's granddad then. Heck, I wish it had been my grandfather - it's a great quote.

No problem.

son of witless

buffalo wrote:

Yep, paying the child care for a mother to work a minimum wage job is not very cost effective...

I can't argue your opinion of either one of them...

The whole point is to get people back into the work force. Not everyone is a mother with a young child, but even in that case the kid does not need child care forever. Eventually they get into school. In the meantime Mom has gotten valuable work experience, which means now that Junior is in school, she is not starting from square one. Having a job is far more than a paycheck. It is self respect. It is also far easier to move up the ladder from even a minimum wage job than it is from welfare. If you had an above minimum wage job who would you rather hire, someone coming off of welfare, or someone with a track record of showing up for a job ?

son of witless

Floyd Brown wrote:

Well have it your way but I will say you are living with yesterdays game plan.
There is a new game plan & it has changed.

It has been my objective to point out how & where the changes have taken place.

All I can say is hanging on to yesterdays game plane is not going to get us where we would like to be.

Yesterday's game plan ? You I believe are older than me and you should realize that the basics of life do not change. Except for our politics, I think you and I have more in common than you realize. We are both savers and investors. That has hopefully smoothed over the rough patches of life in both our cases. I always recommend to others of doing what I did, whereas you seem to distrust your own life experience and do not advise others to do what you did to be successful.

If I am reading you wrong, my apologies.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Floyd Brown wrote:

If we are going to support a system that is fair in having potential for all to have a fair chance to have a fair share in things.
It is only fair to have a system that sees there is some money in the pot for every one.

The more players in the game with a chance to have a winning hand once in a while is better than the house taking out money from every hand,
Leaving smaller pots & less winners the longer you play.

Exactly why our debt money system is burying us in "debt".

All money is created by loans with interest attached.
The government is sovereign, with the sovereign right to create and issue "money. US notes.
It does not have to borrow "money" created out of thin air from bankers.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

son of witless wrote:

Yesterday's game plan ? You I believe are older t... (show quote)

I am a child of the great depression (1936)

My parents had a hard time getting a good start in life.
They did the best they could & I never personally felt any hard ship.
Or lack of love.

My child hood was a time of wonderment or life around me.

My father died in the mid 50s as I was becoming an adult.

While I was capable in many ways.
I was not truly prepared to be an adult.
I had been sheltered so much.

I had saved some money in bonds with my & my fathers name.
I hand been working & my father had gotten a job at the save place as I.
We were both laid off.
I was spending some time with my grandparents.

Collecting unemployment.
My father cashed the bonds & bought a restaurant & small bakery.

I came home. We lived in the building where the business was.
Being unemployed I had to accept a job in a plating factory.

I went one day. It was a dark smelly place & said it was not for me.
There was no next day there.

So I took on the role of baker.
I did fine. We even had several accounts we sold to.
The thing was I just got a few dollars here & there for a movie or a bit of spending money.
I has happy doing what I did.

My father was sick & died.
The business had give us food & a places to live.

Taxes came due.
My share for about six months was a bit over $3,500.
I had no real money of my own & had to borrow the money to pay my taxes.

I could not see me being able to handle the situation I gave the place to a waitress for what any out standing bills there were.
I don't recall what the conversation with my mother was on this matter.

I went to live with an aunt. My mother moved to the area we had lived in before.
I certainly was capable to be an adult. Just not in ways needed to help my mother, brother & sister.

A few jobs here & there, A taste of alcohol. Some time in the army.
Back at my aunts house.

My aunt thinks it is time for me to find a mate.
Meet the young lady & find it a good idea.
55 years & 7 children, 11 grandchildren 3 greatgrandchildren later.
I live with the thought in mind to have a stable life.

I was a good enough worker to make a living as a self employed handyman for 50 years.
I dealt with most of the same people for most of that time.

They gave me their problems & I did what I felt was appropriate in fixing the problems.

I just sent my bills for that I though was fair to all parties.
Money issues were not a big issue.

I have assets invested with more to invest.
My income at this time is mostly from social security.

I have a daugther whos coumpany went bankrupt.
I have been holding cash in the interest of buying a business she would like & one that can give her a lively hood & me a return on my investment.
So far she's has not acepted any ideas I have put forth.

It was a company she had worked for almost 20 years.
From high school on.
She is a very capable person & the one my wife & I have chosse to handle our personal affairs when needed.

In so many ways I feel that my life has been blessed.
It is an honest wish on my part that most people could have a life blessed much like mine has been.

As an adult I now feel that I have an obligation to reach out to others to show life in & of it's self is precious.
We just need to soften the harshness put in place by some.

Sicilianthing

Floyd Brown wrote:

I am a child of the great depression (1936) br br... (show quote)

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Now you’re going to live through it again when they impeach Trump
The Economy will collapse and Civil War will break out this time.

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

Floyd Brown wrote:

I am a child of the great depression (1936) br br... (show quote)

Thank you. We do appreciate your input. It does get a little intense here but that doesn't mean we don't listen to someone with a sober and commonsense perspective.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

eagleye13 wrote:

Exactly why our debt money system is burying us in "debt".

All money is created by loans with interest attached.
The government is sovereign, with the sovereign right to create and issue "money. US notes.
It does not have to borrow "money" created out of thin air from bankers.

All I am asking for is an easing of the pressures being put on many by the few with the most who keep wanting more.
Even the smallest of reversals. More jobs, better paying jobs, Reasonable increase in taxes.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Fit2BTied wrote:

Thank you. We do appreciate your input. It does get a little intense here but that doesn't mean we don't listen to someone with a sober and commonsense perspective.

Thank you.

As always it is reassuring that some one thinks I have relevance on issues.

We can be much better than we let our self be.

It is the better form each of us that brings out the better in all of us.

woodguru

Looking into my crystal ball Tuesday evening I saw...

Pence will be president, OMG...WTF happened?

woodguru

Floyd Brown wrote:

All I am asking for is an easing of the pressures being put on many by the few with the most who keep wanting more.
Even the smallest of reversals. More jobs, better paying jobs, Reasonable increase in taxes.

I don't agreewith increasing minimum wage as much as I think middle class wages need to go up even part of what corporate upper management and CEO pay has gone up. All the years corporations cried they were struggling too much to increase worker's pay their upper management incomes have gone through the roof. I think that corporations should have to increase their worker's pay the same percentage the upper end has increased. Make them roll that pay back if they can't afford to.