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Jul 19, 2018 07:20:00   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Tom,

When did William Felix Browder become an American diplomat? As far as I know, he was born American but renounced his citizenship and was instrumental in he passage of the Magnitsky Act which wiped out many of Russia's small and medium-sized businesses. There is a move by the UN to pass this act in all UN states. Basically it allows the bank account and properties of Russians to be seized if there is evidence that they or their company was/is involved in human rights violations.

President Putin has not asked for anyone to extradited to Russia for interrogation. And he did not say he would force the "dirty 12" Mueller has indicted to be extradited to the US. But a quid pro qo, allowing questioning of the "dirty 12" in Russia in exchange for questioning Browder in his property in the US ..... or in his other property in the UK which would require the UK to agree. Browder has many properties around the world, it could take years for him to return to his property in the US. I can understand Russia's need to find out how $1.5 billion (in US currency) disappeared into Browder's accounts and how he got his hands on that money.

If we truly want to get to the bottom of our election interference and prosecute those responsible, we are going to need other countries to cooperate. This is not something that can be done in a vacuum. BTW, we have agreements with most other nations which allow this type of cooperation. If say the UK has a person of interest in the US, they can send their envoy to the US to question that individual. Same with Spain, Germany, Italy, Japan........... it seems the only nation we do not have such an agreement with is Russia, although we did sign an agreement in 1999 to allow such cooperation. We have not allowed such questioning and in return, Russia has not allowed it.
Tom, br br When did William Felix Browder become ... (show quote)

I believe (but could be wrong) that Tom was referring to former U.S. Ambassador to Russia, Micheal McFaul, not Mr. Browder.

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Jul 19, 2018 07:27:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Excellent post & one that doesn't degenerate into calling names.

JW's posts/comments...to my recollection, never degenerate to such levels. Agree with him or not, he remains civil and respectful.

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Jul 19, 2018 07:37:09   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I heard President Putin only mention one person..... but, if you read what is being reported by the media, President Putin has asked to interrogate, in Russia, someplace between 11 and 325.7 million people. How many named people did you hear in the QA of the summit?


slatten49 wrote:
This is one good friend that will remain with you, Tom. Again, I find myself agreeing with your fair, common sense and reasonable observations and comments. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe that you were previously referring to Putin's attempt(s) at having former U.S. Ambassador Micheal McFaul released to the Soviets for questioning.

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Jul 19, 2018 08:17:46   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
slatten49 wrote:
This is one good friend that will remain with you, Tom. Again, I find myself agreeing with your fair, common sense and reasonable observations and comments. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe that you were previously referring to Putin's attempt(s) at having former U.S. Ambassador Micheal McFaul released to the Soviets for questioning.
Yes I do not agree with Putin having any access to McFaul or any other American. It is dangerous and besides it plays into Putins hands. We need to support our allies in Nato and put an end to the trade war that will only hurt us.. Trump and others might dissagree with me but that is only my opinion.

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Jul 19, 2018 08:28:23   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
You believe our intelligence service Tom ?

I don't.

I don't believe Putin, Trump, Pence, Ryan, The Queen Of England or the King of Siam.

I "do" believe that politicians lie.

ALL POLITICIANS.

I believe in MYSELF.

And that is all I will ever need.

Wolf, despite our other disagreements, on this we are in step one-hundred percent.

"I am a rock. I am an island." [Simon&Garfunkel]

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Jul 19, 2018 08:34:04   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Fine ignore me.

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Jul 19, 2018 09:06:04   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Fine ignore me.
If I understand the news right. Putin wants to send the subpeonead Russians to the USA to be interogated under Russian supervision and also wants certain American players interviewd in Russia under American supervision. You are right this would drag out for a very long time. I am not very polititcally savvy but I Think Putin wants to continue meddeling in our elections and he wants to give our president a Snow job.

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Jul 19, 2018 09:25:39   #
Lonewolf
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I believe it is wrong to attack any one in any way for their political beliefs. I have seen a lot of right wing posters saying things like "open season on Liberals" I know that in the cities right wing protesters and left wing protesters sometimes have violent clashes. The whole situation sucks. I do wish that mutual respect would come back. Here on OPP I have seen a lot of left wingers denigrated and made fun of much more so than right wingers but then this is a predominate right wing site. Myself I have made some good friends here and hope to remain so.
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Jul 19, 2018 09:44:28   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I believe it is wrong to attack any one in any way for their political beliefs. I have seen a lot of right wing posters saying things like "open season on Liberals" I know that in the cities right wing protesters and left wing protesters sometimes have violent clashes. The whole situation sucks. I do wish that mutual respect would come back. Here on OPP I have seen a lot of left wingers denigrated and made fun of much more so than right wingers but then this is a predominate right wing site. Myself I have made some good friends here and hope to remain so.
I believe it is wrong to attack any one in any way... (show quote)



Only those left wingers who persist in spouting ridiculous B.S., patently false information and who do it consistently are vilified. These cretins are not here for discussion, their only purpose is to divert discussions into a pointless name calling affair. One of these posters made a practice of responding to each posted comment with the same scurrilous cartoon, no discussion, just the cartoon.

His purpose was to shut off all discussion. What comments would you expect this behavior to draw? Scan through the various posts and look at what is entered by obvious conservatives and right wingers and also those who lean left. You will find more discourse from the right and more contumely, insults and digressions from the left on almost every topic.

I could go on about the lack of intellectual honesty and myriad other faults of the left wing posters but it has all been said, repeatedly and far more eloquently than I can express . Nothing changes; it seems advancing age causes liberals brains to ossify.

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Jul 19, 2018 10:07:02   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
No.... he would allow Mueller and his team to go to Russia and have unfettered access to those Mueller and team wish to interrogate. Plus, anyone (in particular Bowner) they would question would be in the US. But, this is now a mute point as the FBI has flatly said no.

Define meddling? Would that include any business in any country who buy ad space in the news or social media or donate to a candidate? Would it be meddling if the FBI funded or worked with social media or the news outlets to hush anti-Muslim ads aimed at swing voters? I do not know the answer to this, but were there any ad that you know of that was funded by other nations to support any candidate, other than Russia? For example, The kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Ukrainian president, Lebanese-Nigerian developers? Would that qualify as meddling? Just asking. And if you think that any of these qualify, then why are they not being investigated?

Now, go back to ignoring me, most "progressives" ignore me.....


Coos Bay Tom wrote:
If I understand the news right. Putin wants to send the subpeonead Russians to the USA to be interogated under Russian supervision and also wants certain American players interviewd in Russia under American supervision. You are right this would drag out for a very long time. I am not very polititcally savvy but I Think Putin wants to continue meddeling in our elections and he wants to give our president a Snow job.

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Jul 19, 2018 10:17:43   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
pafret wrote:
Only those left wingers who persist in spouting ridiculous B.S., patently false information and who do it consistently are vilified. These cretins are not here for discussion, their only purpose is to divert discussions into a pointless name calling affair. One of these posters made a practice of responding to each posted comment with the same scurrilous cartoon, no discussion, just the cartoon.

His purpose was to shut off all discussion. What comments would you expect this behavior to draw? Scan through the various posts and look at what is entered by obvious conservatives and right wingers and also those who lean left. You will find more discourse from the right and more contumely, insults and digressions from the left on almost every topic.

I could go on about the lack of intellectual honesty and myriad other faults of the left wing posters but it has all been said, repeatedly and far more eloquently than I can express . Nothing changes; it seems advancing age causes liberals brains to ossify.
Only those left wingers who persist in spouting ri... (show quote)


I believe pafret is correct across the board. I also believe we have a few posters that are ultimately not of American origin, or have reverted to another orthodoxy, and post here to obfuscate, annoy, mislead, and outright lie about various subjects. I cannot prove this, but the trend I see in their posts speak to me of a subtle but real anti-American bias. However, I will keep the rest of my opinions on this subject to myself because proof is elusive.

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Jul 19, 2018 10:31:27   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Fine ignore me.

Penny, I'm really not sure as to whom this post was directed. But, if I it was me, I will answer the question in your previous post to me: I was camping with my brother for about three days in an isolated Texas Panhandle park, and (by choice) did not have a radio or TV on for that time. As a result, I did not watch any Q&A following the Helsinki Summit. I didn't rejoin the forum 'til Wednesday morning.

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Jul 19, 2018 10:38:58   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
My American pedigree goes back 6 generations. We have had member of our family fight and die in every war (includes the Revolutionary War, Civil War, War with Mexico...... all the way up to and including Afghanistan). I served my country as have my sons. And I do not agree with many on OPP who are known for their anti-semitic threads and posts. I believe that Russia may not be as evil as some may think. Perhaps back a few decades they posed a real danger, but not in their current situation. I firmly believe that before war or continued hostilities, we need to give peace a chance. Does that make me anti-American?

Manning345 wrote:
I believe pafret is correct across the board. I also believe we have a few posters that are ultimately not of American origin, or have reverted to another orthodoxy, and post here to obfuscate, annoy, mislead, and outright lie about various subjects. I cannot prove this, but the trend I see in their posts speak to me of a subtle but real anti-American bias. However, I will keep the rest of my opinions on this subject to myself because proof is elusive.

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Jul 19, 2018 14:51:49   #
1ProudAmerican
 
JW wrote:
… but that doesn't mean anyone else has to take it seriously (and that includes mine but here it is anyway).

I have never seen such an aggregation of intellectual lepers in my life as is today to be found on the Left of the political spectrum. The vast majority of you on that side of the aisle have no idea what you are posting about here or representing in Washington, D.C. You have no background in history or the political policies you support or oppose. You are hypocrites of the first order; screaming denunciations of President Trump while utterly ignorant of the very same, or worse, having occurred on your own side.

You call Trump a traitor for meeting with Putin and you applaud Hillary for her Russian reset.

You accuse Trump of collusion with Russia and you ignore the fact that the infamous "Trump dossier", paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC, was compiled by a foreigner using Russian sources.

You claim Trump's performance in Helsinki was the greatest embarrassment the US has ever been put to while ignoring the Obama apology tour with its several photos of then President of the United states, Barack Obama, executing the serf's obeisance before the Saudi Royalty and the Emperor of Japan.

Your press touts the many ways Trump might offend the Queen of England but said nothing about the Obama state gift to the queen of a bunch of music CDs and a few of his recorded speeches.

Frankly what I see happening in this once great and noble country makes me sick to the core of my spirit. I see no way to reconcile with the Left and worse, I no longer see any point in it.
… but that doesn't mean anyone else has to ta... (show quote)

They call Trump a traitor for meeting with Putin
They call Trump a traitor for meeting with Putin...

How the snowflakes celebrate
How the snowflakes celebrate...

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Jul 19, 2018 14:55:01   #
1ProudAmerican
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I believe it is wrong to attack any one in any way for their political beliefs. I have seen a lot of right wing posters saying things like "open season on Liberals" I know that in the cities right wing protesters and left wing protesters sometimes have violent clashes. The whole situation sucks. I do wish that mutual respect would come back. Here on OPP I have seen a lot of left wingers denigrated and made fun of much more so than right wingers but then this is a predominate right wing site. Myself I have made some good friends here and hope to remain so.
I believe it is wrong to attack any one in any way... (show quote)


WOW, are you reading the same posts I'M reading?!?!?

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