Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, Pete, it was and still is AMERICANS who clearly see the unforgivable mess that Obama made, his utterly disastrous foreign policy blunders, his economic debacles, his contempt for our Constitution, his assumption of power over congress, his overt actions against our only ally in the ME, and his near absolute racist divisiveness. His praise of Islam above all other religions and condemnation of Christianity were far too apparent to miss. The color of his skin, where he was born, his sexual preferences, are of no concern, but his attempt to "fundamentally transform America" into police state should be a definite concern to any American who loves this country and its founding principles. Obama was, and still is, a sinister anti-American demagogue.
Those that support and defend such a person are as bad as he is.
Yeah, Pete, it was and still is AMERICANS who clea... (
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The thing is Blade I didn't particularity like Obama and when you say a bunch of BS then I have to come to his defense.
1) With Obama I would give his foreign policy a C but with Bush I would give his foreign policy an F and if not for the complete mess Bush made who knows what Obama would have done. Obama shouldn't have had to clean up Iraq and spread of Democracy that turned into such a mess was something George Bush was promoting long before he left. And what I have to ask is why would Trump rip up the Iranian nuclear agreement instead of trying to strengthen it? I mean after all it is something that the majority of experts said Iran was in compliance with and was preventing them from perusing a path to becoming nuclear nation. That's a big start so instead of becoming a petulant child and taking your ball and going home why not try to fix what you don't like and making the deal something everyone can live with.
Now I'm sure you think Trump the greatest military leader since Reagan but the only thing Trump has done is use the same tactics that Obama was using against ISIS and then you guys jump up and down at all the miracles you think Trump has done. That's an example of the 'cult of Trump' and not an example of what great leadership he's performed.
2) Obama's economic debacles. Now you and I both know you don't know a thing about economics so what exactly are you basing your statement on--the refusal of conservatives to do a damn thing to work with Obama to move the economy along? Now I've been over GDP before and under Trump it is up only a tick where we should be in the mid 3's or low 4's after the size of the tax cut the economy received. That it's done little to nothing tells us that this tax cut is like the Bush tax cut and not designed to help the economy but simply pad the accounts of the wealthiest amongst us. Now if you had studied economics you would know that, while the wealthy can be big spenders, what they tend to buy is imported to our economy and not manufactured here. And of course jobs growth has finally ticked up after 2017 actually declining from 2016.
So with Obama we had someone who steered us away from a possible depression and while growth wasn't spectacular it was steady and Trump wouldn't be where he is without the job that Obama did for him.
3) As for contempt for our constitution--you support Donald Trump! Forget any possible collusion with Russia here is a man who tries to strip free speech from, mostly African Americans, simply because he's offended by the way they protest. Then he used an moral equivalence with neo-Nazi's and white supremacists to those who opposed them--again, simply because he didn't like who opposed them. Then we have Trumps attack on the FBI, not for the work they've done but in an attempt slow down their investigation into him.
And a side bar but the IG pretty much cleared them of any wrong doing regarding it's investigation of Clinton. If that's not enough he then attacks his Attorney General for doing what he should have done and recuse himself from the investigation! Trump acts like Sessions was suppose to ignore the rule of law and work to defend him from the Russia Investigation! Right now Trump is trying to pull an epic run around the constitution and you conservatives are simply standing there and watching him perform! Instead of holding Trump accountable, Republicans are joining him in a cynical attempt to tarnish the FBI and undermine the criminal investigation into Russian election meddling.
Throw in the conspiracy mongers at Fox News, they have promoted a crackpot theory that there was a “secret society” within the FBI trying to bring down Trump. The zany conspiracy story involves two FBI officials, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and text messages they exchanged during the 2016 campaign. These were leaked to the press after the justice department turned them over to Congress. Then the IG said they showed bias but didn't seem to effect the investigation into Hillary. Suddenly you people seemed to lose interest. I have to wonder why?
The political poison spread by Trump is toxic to Democracy and goes beyond anything spread by Nixon and his supporters during Watergate--an investigation that was almost twice as long BTW as the one we have today yet who are the ones yammering that Mueller is taking too long in his investigation?