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Feb 17, 2014 00:37:47   #
kegler299 Loc: Aurora, Il.
 
Dear oldladyfromwaco, Please continue to post. There are a few of us who just enjoy learning. It could even cause a chain reaction. For good I hope! Facts and history can be great idea generators. I often have trouble with facts that are not fully backed up by verifiable other facts. But hey that's what the search function is for! Lastly do you have another place where you do post? If so please provide a link. Keep the faith.

oldladyfromwaco wrote:
Thank you for your post. I have virtually ended anything on this site because history, facts.....pure history of the world.....means nothing.
I have repeatedly written of the financial history and a minuscule segment of the Jewish population and their goals for the world....to be bashed repeatedly....in spite of what exists before us in the present in the proceeding course of the plans for world domination.
I have repeatedly written of the Nicean/Nicene Council who, appointed by the emperor, Constantine, actually picked and chose the books of the Bible....to be bashed repeated.
Do any of those "bashers" check historical facts? Not on your life! Do they research? Aw...forget that!
There is only ONE thing I've sought in life...as a foundation for life....and that is the truth. But, that's the last thing this group wants. I wonder how much better off the world would be if we, the entire public, insisted on the truth from politicians and religious leaders. Wanta guess?
We sure as heck would not be in the shape we're in...and headed in the direction we're going, would we?
But, regrettably, most don't care, don't want the truth, and follow blindly.....giving allegiance to political parties and religious influences instead of allegiance to OUR COUNTRY and the TRUTH....which would certainly lead us in the right direction and out of this mess.
I was surprised to see in the Waco paper an article today an article on the fact that the US was NOT established as a Christian nation....with supporting facts. Surprised? The founding fathers made sure, until the controlling influence of religion began to creep in, that everyone was free to worship ANY religion they chose.....based on the experience they had had in their home countries. And, please remember, that a basic tenet of the foundation of our country is(was) separation of church and state, which has basically been forgotten, run over, and squished in the dirt.
As to the historical facts of the Jewish financial influence and plans....I was at a Senior Kiwanis meeting...and gave my views. I nearly fell out my chair when a 30 year tenured history professor from the local school of higher learning backed me up on ALL points.......to which these sterling men and women, older leaders of Waco actually asked for more facts and a meeting to discuss "things we've never heard that influence the country". Wonders never cease! At least some.....Republicans ALLLLL.....wanted to know the truth....about the political....AND the religious. Why? They are afraid for our country.....and want to know the TRUTH as to why things are as they are.
As I said, I have virtually ended any participation here.....because of those who prefer to have their heads in the sand.....and do not and would not, for the life of them, seek or value any segment of truth.....and do everything to deny my right to speak/write.
The only redeeming factor is that, if the progression continues, I'll be able to say, "I told you so".....which I would much prefer not to do....but, there is nothing so dark as a closed mind. It's a shame those closed minds are bring our country to rack, ruin, and domination we have never imagined. But, the, that's also what the Jews believed, thought, and discussed as they were loaded into railroad cars to the prison camps. Their voices are silent now.

"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up
because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up
because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't
speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by
that time no one was left to speak up."
by Martin Niemaller, prominent German anti-Nazi theologian and Lutheran
pastor, best known as the author of the poem.

History continues to repeat itself.....until we learn from history.....to NOT repeat the mistakes of previous civilizations and countries. It's OUR choice.

One of my greatest wishes for the United States of America is that this be the FIRST country in the history of the known world......in which history did NOT repeat itself.

I can dream, can't I?

Not according to some on this site.
Thank you for your post. I have virtually ended a... (show quote)

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Feb 17, 2014 01:02:41   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I can't decide if we have gang warfare up there or a cartoon strip. Maybe we could have anonymous folk through ideas down on the floor and then let the labeling begin. Since no one would know which gang the idea came from, they'd be confused about how to deal with it. I suppose they could use a roulette wheel to determine it's color, THEN the games could begin.


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Feb 17, 2014 05:35:58   #
stan3186
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
I think the republicans are toning it down to allow themselves the best possible out come next fall, they really only need 5 additional senators next fall and then we will see what happens.

The president made a good play in Montana but if the republicans pick the right fights with the right attack maybe we can force the president to sit down the table and talk.


As long as He Obama controls the Senate and Harry Reid is the majority leader, he has no reason to sit down and negotiate anything, he can just ram it through. I hope that demographic changes soon.

It really is a shame that he is not willing to sit down and hammer stuff out that is best for the country, but why should he? He is only interested in what's best for Barack Obama and the socialist agenda or worse yet the Muslim Brotherhood.

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Feb 17, 2014 05:58:55   #
Art
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yes, of course. People who agree with each other can usually have a conversation without rancor, but that's not a discussion. I've read posts, on this thread, where folks couldn't help them selves with the labeling. Labeling an idea/statement (liberal) is an error, as is labeling people who disagree (trolls).

There is no logic to labeling, if you cannot understand what is said by the words written, do not respond to them. Labeling is a self imposed filtering mechanism, from which no incompatible information can pass. Discussion is terminated before it begins. One cannot discuss anything with someone who refuses to consider any ideas except their own, and trying to reason with them will fail, due to the filters they have imposed.

Responding to name calling by doing the same, puts you in the same boat, I call it the "USS Neversail", as all parties on that boat are going nowhere. Saying " I'll stop when THEY stop" doesn't change the course, you're still aboard and going nowhere with them.
Yes, of course. People who agree with each other c... (show quote)


Well said and I think an insight into a cause of much anger, name calling ( a label itself) and fighting. :thumbup:

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Feb 17, 2014 06:55:45   #
Unintended Consequences
 
lpnmajor wrote:
You are all idiots. Does that statement upset you? Would it be easier to swallow if I said I was an idiot too? The answers would be yes and no, respectively, I expect. No, I am not actually calling any of you idiots, that was a ploy. The point is, name calling doesn't do anything, except distract from the discussion. I AM an idiot sometimes, but I decide that, not you. When someone calls me a name, I either own it or forget it and then I'm done with it. It means nothing.

Labeling things or people doesn't change a thing about them or it, it only changes your attitude towards them. One person gives a dollar to a homeless man, another gives a sandwich. Which one is a liberal and which a conservative? I bet you tried to answer that question, but here's the thing, you can't, because you don't know WHY each person did what they did. You tried to label them anyway, with little information, because that's the way we have learned to do things. I suggest we stop "reading between the lines" and "mind reading" when dealing with people.. Labeling is actually SELF destructive, as it closes our minds to possibilities that might be of benefit to us.

Resolving problems first requires identifying the problem and the problem is NEVER ideology. The color orange is a certain frequency in the light spectrum and one's ideology has no effect on that. Accepting different viewpoints as valid, does not change ideology. From one perspective, the orange may appear more red, from another more yellow, but it is STILL orange. That means that all viewpoints have value and using the aggregate of them can lead to a more complete picture. Rejecting another viewpoint because it differs from one's own, is a self defeating action. Trying to get a glimpse of the bigger picture, REQUIRES examining other viewpoints. Those with a camera phone mentality will never have the IMAX 360 ability to deal effectively with problems. Too many people use "selfies" as their way of understanding the World.
You are all idiots. Does that statement upset you?... (show quote)


Finally, a common sense approach.

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Feb 17, 2014 07:08:00   #
oldladyfromwaco
 
Yes, you are one of, I believe, of two or three who are blessed with wisdom, vision, insight, and an open mind. I appreciate that.
However, it will take more than just those of us to change the course of history.
I do appreciate your comment about Judaism being "nothing more than a cloak of convenience, to be put on and taken off as needed".
Again, the history of the world shows the majority of Jews have suffered repeatedly in many countries, most probably because of the same behaviors of the few...those with only the site for total domination and control.....and endless greed at the expense of the world. If history repeats itself, there may be far fewer left on earth than before. I do not wish to see that happen. But.....when others refuse to learn from the past, it will be repeated until they do.
Who made the statement about....something to the effect of, "Don't keep repeating the same behaviors (mistakes) expecting different results"?
I guess "being right" in ignorance.... Let me rescind that. It isn't ignorance. It is EGO and the choice, the absolute individual personal choice....to lose freedom and your country, as did the Germans(Jews and all), rather than believe the truth.....and save the world.
I have no description for that kind of "logic", if one could call it that, or thinking....
Also, I must question......it appears that religion and politics, as I have postulated in my comments, have worked as planned over the centuries? The combined two have resulted in otherwise intelligent individuals becoming so frightened(?) and egocentric that the result has been achieved.
And, then, survivors of what will inevitably be a world holocaust caused by literally a few hundred consumed by greed....will begin....again.....to rebuild a world that refuses to "see"....have vision....learn.....save itself.
I am SO glad I am 71.....



banjojack wrote:
Matter of fact, I agree with you on most things. I have posted similar. Any mention of a certain group of financiers in anything other than glowing terms is verboten. These people are no more Jewish than Mohammed. They have Jewish last names because of Jewish antecedents. Judaism is nothing more than a cloak of convenience, to be put on and taken off as needed. The same people who belittle others as "conspiracy theorists" and "birthers." have no trouble believing the fiction of manmade Global Warming, because it dovetails with their political agenda/beliefs. I posted excerpts from the Catholic Encyclopedia and Brittanica concerning the cherry picking of what was included in the Bible, also of the Nicene Council's actions regarding the Sabbath, numerous other things. It did no good. All we do is preach to the converted.
Matter of fact, I agree with you on most things. I... (show quote)

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Feb 17, 2014 07:26:41   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
oldladyfromwaco wrote:
Yes, you are one of, I believe, of two or three who are blessed with wisdom, vision, insight, and an open mind. I appreciate that.
However, it will take more than just those of us to change the course of history.
I do appreciate your comment about Judaism being "nothing more than a cloak of convenience, to be put on and taken off as needed".
Again, the history of the world shows the majority of Jews have suffered repeatedly in many countries, most probably because of the same behaviors of the few...those with only the site for total domination and control.....and endless greed at the expense of the world. If history repeats itself, there may be far fewer left on earth than before. I do not wish to see that happen. But.....when others refuse to learn from the past, it will be repeated until they do.
Who made the statement about....something to the effect of, "Don't keep repeating the same behaviors (mistakes) expecting different results"?
I guess "being right" in ignorance.... Let me rescind that. It isn't ignorance. It is EGO and the choice, the absolute individual personal choice....to lose freedom and your country, as did the Germans(Jews and all), rather than believe the truth.....and save the world.
I have no description for that kind of "logic", if one could call it that, or thinking....
Also, I must question......it appears that religion and politics, as I have postulated in my comments, have worked as planned over the centuries? The combined two have resulted in otherwise intelligent individuals becoming so frightened(?) and egocentric that the result has been achieved.
And, then, survivors of what will inevitably be a world holocaust caused by literally a few hundred consumed by greed....will begin....again.....to rebuild a world that refuses to "see"....have vision....learn.....save itself.
I am SO glad I am 71.....
Yes, you are one of, I believe, of two or three wh... (show quote)


You are right on many levels. The American arrogance is a result of not being properly invaded. We've been able to wage massive war - on someone else's property. Since WWII, we've treated war like a video game, we win sometimes, we lose sometimes, and the majority don't break a sweat either way.

The American people are so caught up in their own little worlds, surrounded by mega bytes of stuff, that their ability to process reality has de-evolved. The proliferation of mass marketing has inundated and overwhelmed folks minds. Our own political system has succumbed to this phenomena. That's why score cards are now measured by polls and more importantly, how much money was raised. The idea that the candidate who raises the most money wins, is predicated on the belief that more advertising equals more votes. I can't say they're wrong. The last ad that a person see's before voting, may indeed, determine their vote.

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Feb 17, 2014 07:39:08   #
oldladyfromwaco
 
kegler, thanks for your comment. I have become so tired of the abject stupidity that I've just about ended any comment.
If you wish to research, begin with "The Crown".....a 640 acre city within the city of London....which owns the British commonwealth...and is the HQ of all world banking, owning the Bank of International Settlements, the International Monetary Fund, and all the Federal Reserves around the world....and finances all wars, the military industrial complex, and all reconstructions.
Then, look for the Rothschild dynasty and their goals for the world with their domination....since they own 57% of The Crown....and virtually control the world.
Look for Menachem Begin's statements on "the master race". It's amazing that all comments from Jewish leaders have just about disappeared from the internet.....and denial of any existing ones is continued.
Research the Bilderbergs and their plans, coinciding with the R dynasty.
Read quotes by the Rockefellers on their part in this plan.
Did you know Bush's grandfather made a great deal of his fortune by selling coal to the Nazis....and had a bank in Europe that laundered their money?
NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS! These people, sociopaths(?)/psychopaths(?), most that we have respected and given leadership of our country and the world....now being called that in public.....on some news programs....are beyond what you would believe. And, though denied, by so many refusing to see the truth before their eyes in the state of the present world, they continue to progress to their goals.
I'm 71, kegler, and I am tired of pure, unmitigated, by personal choice stupidity.
And.....since we still have a modicum of choice remaining in this country....who the heck am I to deny those their destiny?
But, thanks for the comment. And, kegler, I will ALWAYS keep the faith......
And, I will ALWAYS have hope for those who refuse to see/believe the truth.....and sacrifice their country as a result.
That's a lot more than they would allow me.




kegler299 wrote:
Dear oldladyfromwaco, Please continue to post. There are a few of us who just enjoy learning. It could even cause a chain reaction. For good I hope! Facts and history can be great idea generators. I often have trouble with facts that are not fully backed up by verifiable other facts. But hey that's what the search function is for! Lastly do you have another place where you do post? If so please provide a link. Keep the faith.

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Feb 17, 2014 07:57:51   #
oldladyfromwaco
 
I often wonder if the American public, so short-sighted and egocentric, will ever realize that the law of cause and effect also applies to this country.
The reaction to 9-11, with the loss of a few thousand American lives and a few buildings? How about, as you wrote, what we have done to countries around the world for almost a hundred years.....since WWII?
There is a law in this universe, and I rue the day when the rest of the world turns on the US. Yes, we're the biggest bully the world has EVER known....but owned and controlled by the Kharzars/Kharzans/European financial interests run by the Rothschilds.
Then....and only then.....when OUR nation lies in ruins will arrogance be reduced to seeing ourselves and our country "in the mirror".
This cannot, by the laws of the universe, continue.
As far as candidates are concerned, we don't have a choice. It doesn't matter who is elected......they don't and won't hold the office unless agreeing to further the agenda of Britain, the Rothschilds, The Crown, the Freemasons, and the Vatican....along with many other alliances.
History will repeat itself until fools, the majority of humanity, open their eyes and search for paths different from those that have led previous civilizations to ruin.....not anytime in our future that I see.



lpnmajor wrote:
You are right on many levels. The American arrogance is a result of not being properly invaded. We've been able to wage massive war - on someone else's property. Since WWII, we've treated war like a video game, we win sometimes, we lose sometimes, and the majority don't break a sweat either way.

The American people are so caught up in their own little worlds, surrounded by mega bytes of stuff, that their ability to process reality has de-evolved. The proliferation of mass marketing has inundated and overwhelmed folks minds. Our own political system has succumbed to this phenomena. That's why score cards are now measured by polls and more importantly, how much money was raised. The idea that the candidate who raises the most money wins, is predicated on the belief that more advertising equals more votes. I can't say they're wrong. The last ad that a person see's before voting, may indeed, determine their vote.
You are right on many levels. The American arrogan... (show quote)

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Feb 17, 2014 10:32:59   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
stan3186 wrote:
As long as He Obama controls the Senate and Harry Reid is the majority leader, he has no reason to sit down and negotiate anything, he can just ram it through. I hope that demographic changes soon.

It really is a shame that he is not willing to sit down and hammer stuff out that is best for the country, but why should he? He is only interested in what's best for Barack Obama and the socialist agenda or worse yet the Muslim Brotherhood.


and if the republicans control all three we stand the chance of the same thing the other way, what we need is one party in control of congress the other the president

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Feb 17, 2014 10:44:26   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
alex wrote:
and if the republicans control all three we stand the chance of the same thing the other way, what we need is one party in control of congress the other the president


That way the gang colors will match and the only fighting will be about who gets to be the boss. There isn't a political gang that can agree with itself, much less anyone else. It's just too bad that politics and common sense are polar opposites, just as politicians and humble servant are.

Taking their colors, their labels and most of their perks, away from them, will cull the herd real quick. None of them will agree to be known simply as a servant of the people. No party, no caucus, just service. No, we'll never be able to go back to that. Not now.

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Feb 17, 2014 11:15:22   #
Artemis
 
alex wrote:
and if the republicans control all three we stand the chance of the same thing the other way, what we need is one party in control of congress the other the president




To have a one party country is the quickest road to a dictatorship.

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Feb 17, 2014 11:35:44   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
alex wrote:
and if the republicans control all three we stand the chance of the same thing the other way, what we need is one party in control of congress the other the president


What we need is a congress that just sets on its hands.

The more they do the more they screw up things

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Feb 17, 2014 13:16:46   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Lpnmajor, aka 'Doc', this may be the best thread topic and discussion I've seen on the OPP since my joining. I have been out of town for 5 days and missed your initial post. I limit myself to a profound thank-you, since most of what I would have said has been eloquently expressed by others.

"Not all wounds are visible".

Kudos for your efforts, 'Doc'.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :mrgreen:

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Feb 22, 2014 20:20:33   #
poppabear42
 
stan;
Who would you suggest he talk to? republicans have no foundation, nor a true leader.
Just which of the following republican so called leaders can make an honest, stable, and trustworthy decision that would mean anything?
Should the president discuss matters with;
1. Rush "The junky" Limpmind?
2. One of the (Communist) Koch bros.?
3. A tea bagger, but which leader of what faction would be best?
4. Karl "The B/S'r Rove?
5. Sarah Winky" Palin?
6. Oh yeh, John "Cry baby" Boner?
But, don't forget, he said quite loudly, that he did not believe in compromise, and that he never would compromise with anybody.
These people can't stand each other, they don't compromise, and they can't agree on anything.
So just how much would be accomplished even if the president met with all of these people in a group, or one on one?
I'm positive that he has enough to do, without trying to reason with people like these.

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