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Jan 2, 2014 09:45:19   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/the_biggest_obamacare_whopper_of_all.html

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Section 1311(h)(1)(B) of the health law gives the secretary of Health and Human Services blanket authority to dictate how doctors treat patients. Not just patients in government programs like Medicare and Medicaid, but patients with private plans they pay for themselves. On Dec. 2, 2013, we learned from the Federal Register that the rules are now being written. Starting in 2015, insurance companies will be barred from doing business with doctors who fail to comply. The rules will be offered in the name of ensuring "health-care quality," which of course could mean anything.

"The powers given to the secretary are so broad, he or she could literally dictate how all physicians nationwide practice medicine," warns Congressman Phil Gingrey (R. Georgia), himself a physician. Gingrey is sponsoring a bill to repeal Section 1311(h)(1)(B). Otherwise, he says, the HHS secretary - a Washington bureaucrat with no medical training - could, for example, bar doctors from doing routine mammogram screenings until female patients turn 50. In short, the federal government will be calling the shots on what patients get.
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Please indicate your like or dislike of the type legislation that gives government control over your health care.

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Jan 2, 2014 09:57:59   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Tasine wrote:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/the_biggest_obamacare_whopper_of_all.html

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Section 1311(h)(1)(B) of the health law gives the secretary of Health and Human Services blanket authority to dictate how doctors treat patients. Not just patients in government programs like Medicare and Medicaid, but patients with private plans they pay for themselves. On Dec. 2, 2013, we learned from the Federal Register that the rules are now being written. Starting in 2015, insurance companies will be barred from doing business with doctors who fail to comply. The rules will be offered in the name of ensuring "health-care quality," which of course could mean anything.

"The powers given to the secretary are so broad, he or she could literally dictate how all physicians nationwide practice medicine," warns Congressman Phil Gingrey (R. Georgia), himself a physician. Gingrey is sponsoring a bill to repeal Section 1311(h)(1)(B). Otherwise, he says, the HHS secretary - a Washington bureaucrat with no medical training - could, for example, bar doctors from doing routine mammogram screenings until female patients turn 50. In short, the federal government will be calling the shots on what patients get.
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Please indicate your like or dislike of the type legislation that gives government control over your health care.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/the_bi... (show quote)


It's either the feds or insurance companies. Insurance companies lobby the AMA just like they do the congress. That's why it takes so long for new treatments to get approved for payment.
Had the AMA been more diligent in chastising Doctors for inappropriate use of antibiotics, we wouldn't have so many resistant strains of bacteria. They have been warned of this for at least 30 years, to my certain knowledge. Doctors have NO one to monitor their practices. Not everyone should continue practice but nothing is done unless a lawsuit is filed and many times not even then.

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Jan 2, 2014 10:19:01   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
Tasine wrote:
Please indicate your like or dislike of the type legislation that gives government control over your health care.


Total dislike here.

What ceases to amaze me is the low-information v**ers, and liberals, undying faith in the government, and that they're willing to put their healthcare, and literally their life, in the government's hands. A government that is so inept, incompetent, corrupt, and could care less about meeting any budget, you're going to trust with your healthcare, or your life?! A government which has NEVER run an organization/program efficiently! A government that literally does not care diddly squat about you...you're simply a number!

Does the current healthcare industry need reforming? Yes, it does, but a lot of the current problems comes from too much government intervention. Get the government out of it, allow crossing state lines, implement healthcare savings accounts, and other good ideas that Congressman Price (TX) has suggested. The government WILL NEVER operate as efficiently and more economically than the private sector. The private sector will provide far more healthcare benefits, at a cheaper price, than the government ever will.

Oh, and you lefties out there that love to sue for malpractice, it's going to be interesting under Obummercare as to whether you're going to be allowed to sue the government for botched healthcare decisions.

This government is simply turning the population into a bunch of brain-washed lemmings, who are marching lock-step towards the cliff. God help us in 2014, our last chance to turn it around.

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Jan 2, 2014 10:46:18   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
OldSchool wrote:
Total dislike here.

What ceases to amaze me is the low-information v**ers, and liberals, undying faith in the government, and that they're willing to put their healthcare, and literally their life, in the government's hands. A government that is so inept, incompetent, corrupt, and could care less about meeting any budget, you're going to trust with your healthcare, or your life?! A government which has NEVER run an organization/program efficiently! A government that literally does not care diddly squat about you...you're simply a number!

Does the current healthcare industry need reforming? Yes, it does, but a lot of the current problems comes from too much government intervention. Get the government out of it, allow crossing state lines, implement healthcare savings accounts, and other good ideas that Congressman Price (TX) has suggested. The government WILL NEVER operate as efficiently and more economically than the private sector. The private sector will provide far more healthcare benefits, at a cheaper price, than the government ever will.

Oh, and you lefties out there that love to sue for malpractice, it's going to be interesting under Obummercare as to whether you're going to be allowed to sue the government for botched healthcare decisions.

This government is simply turning the population into a bunch of brain-washed lemmings, who are marching lock-step towards the cliff. God help us in 2014, our last chance to turn it around.
Total dislike here. br br What ceases to amaze me... (show quote)

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Bravo! Every word needed saying! I couldn't agree more!

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Jan 2, 2014 11:10:10   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
OldSchool wrote:
Total dislike here.

What ceases to amaze me is the low-information v**ers, and liberals, undying faith in the government, and that they're willing to put their healthcare, and literally their life, in the government's hands. A government that is so inept, incompetent, corrupt, and could care less about meeting any budget, you're going to trust with your healthcare, or your life?! A government which has NEVER run an organization/program efficiently! A government that literally does not care diddly squat about you...you're simply a number!

It's practically impossible to sue a doctor with Malpractice Insurance anyways. Even if it goes through the courts in the end , a federal investigation ensues that is almost always in the doctors favor. With government run healthcare, well, a snowballs chance in hell comes to mind.
Does the current healthcare industry need reforming? Yes, it does, but a lot of the current problems comes from too much government intervention. Get the government out of it, allow crossing state lines, implement healthcare savings accounts, and other good ideas that Congressman Price (TX) has suggested. The government WILL NEVER operate as efficiently and more economically than the private sector. The private sector will provide far more healthcare benefits, at a cheaper price, than the government ever will.

Oh, and you lefties out there that love to sue for malpractice, it's going to be interesting under Obummercare as to whether you're going to be allowed to sue the government for botched healthcare decisions.

This government is simply turning the population into a bunch of brain-washed lemmings, who are marching lock-step towards the cliff. God help us in 2014, our last chance to turn it around.
Total dislike here. br br What ceases to amaze me... (show quote)

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Jan 2, 2014 11:10:41   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
OldSchool wrote:
Total dislike here.

What ceases to amaze me is the low-information v**ers, and liberals, undying faith in the government, and that they're willing to put their healthcare, and literally their life, in the government's hands. A government that is so inept, incompetent, corrupt, and could care less about meeting any budget, you're going to trust with your healthcare, or your life?! A government which has NEVER run an organization/program efficiently! A government that literally does not care diddly squat about you...you're simply a number!

It's practically impossible to sue a doctor with Malpractice Insurance anyways. Even if it goes through the courts in the end , a federal investigation ensues that is almost always in the doctors favor. With government run healthcare, well, a snowballs chance in hell comes to mind.
Does the current healthcare industry need reforming? Yes, it does, but a lot of the current problems comes from too much government intervention. Get the government out of it, allow crossing state lines, implement healthcare savings accounts, and other good ideas that Congressman Price (TX) has suggested. The government WILL NEVER operate as efficiently and more economically than the private sector. The private sector will provide far more healthcare benefits, at a cheaper price, than the government ever will.

Oh, and you lefties out there that love to sue for malpractice, it's going to be interesting under Obummercare as to whether you're going to be allowed to sue the government for botched healthcare decisions.

This government is simply turning the population into a bunch of brain-washed lemmings, who are marching lock-step towards the cliff. God help us in 2014, our last chance to turn it around.
Total dislike here. br br What ceases to amaze me... (show quote)

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Jan 3, 2014 11:33:49   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Tasine wrote:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/the_biggest_obamacare_whopper_of_all.html

FTA
Section 1311(h)(1)(B) of the health law gives the secretary of Health and Human Services blanket authority to dictate how doctors treat patients. Not just patients in government programs like Medicare and Medicaid, but patients with private plans they pay for themselves. On Dec. 2, 2013, we learned from the Federal Register that the rules are now being written. Starting in 2015, insurance companies will be barred from doing business with doctors who fail to comply. The rules will be offered in the name of ensuring "health-care quality," which of course could mean anything.

"The powers given to the secretary are so broad, he or she could literally dictate how all physicians nationwide practice medicine," warns Congressman Phil Gingrey (R. Georgia), himself a physician. Gingrey is sponsoring a bill to repeal Section 1311(h)(1)(B). Otherwise, he says, the HHS secretary - a Washington bureaucrat with no medical training - could, for example, bar doctors from doing routine mammogram screenings until female patients turn 50. In short, the federal government will be calling the shots on what patients get.
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Please indicate your like or dislike of the type legislation that gives government control over your health care.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/the_bi... (show quote)


You got that from this....(h) QUALITY IMPROVEMENT.—

(1) ENHANCING PATIENT SAFETY.—Beginning on January 1, 2015, a qualified health plan may contract with—

(A) a hospital with greater than 50 beds only if such hospital—

(i) utilizes a patient safety evaluation system as described in part C of title IX of the Public Health Service Act; and

(ii) implements a mechanism to ensure that each patient receives a comprehensive program for hospital discharge that includes patient-centered education and counseling, comprehensive discharge planning, and post discharge reinforcement by an appropriate health care professional; or

(B) a health care provider only if such provider implements such mechanisms to improve health care quality as the Secretary may by regulation require.

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Jan 3, 2014 11:50:12   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
permafrost wrote:
You got that from this....(h) QUALITY IMPROVEMENT.—

(1) ENHANCING PATIENT SAFETY.—Beginning on January 1, 2015, a qualified health plan may contract with—

(A) a hospital with greater than 50 beds only if such hospital—

(i) utilizes a patient safety evaluation system as described in part C of title IX of the Public Health Service Act; and

(ii) implements a mechanism to ensure that each patient receives a comprehensive program for hospital discharge that includes patient-centered education and counseling, comprehensive discharge planning, and post discharge reinforcement by an appropriate health care professional; or

(B) a health care provider only if such provider implements such mechanisms to improve health care quality as the Secretary may by regulation require.
You got that from this....(h) QUALITY IMPROVEMENT.... (show quote)

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Have you ever worked at a job that has federal regulations re the specific specialty you practice? If not, you cannot know what it is like until you have worked at same. And, I'd like to know what Sebilius knows about health care that qualifies her to determine "mechanisms and quality care" that the pros don't know.

I've dealt l LOT with these "regulators". Trust me ....... most of them don't know squat about the profession, but a LOT about ordering people about and wasting time.

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Jan 3, 2014 16:35:24   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Tasine wrote:
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Have you ever worked at a job that has federal regulations re the specific specialty you practice? If not, you cannot know what it is like until you have worked at same. And, I'd like to know what Sebilius knows about health care that qualifies her to determine "mechanisms and quality care" that the pros don't know.

I've dealt l LOT with these "regulators". Trust me ....... most of them don't know squat about the profession, but a LOT about ordering people about and wasting time.
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The regulators have "consultants" who are in the Biz. Letting health care providers police themselves has not worked. Hospital acquired infections, medical errors and skyrocketing costs are the result. These are at an all time high. In the 21st century there should be 0. Today, you'll spend more time with admissions than with medical staff. Nurses spend more time charting than they do on patient care. Hospital "standards" are set by lawyers not Doctors. All care by a physician is "assumed" to meet standards set by the AMA. Most hospitals do not review physician care unless a complaint is made. The review is proctored by lawyers.
The ACA is far from perfect but it's a start. SOMETHING had to be done and this is the first time anything has been seriously addressed. Even if repubs. manage to get it repealed they will HAVE to replace it. So at the end of the day, somebody got something done. Too bad the congress can't say the same.

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Jan 3, 2014 17:05:09   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The regulators have "consultants" who are in the Biz. Letting health care providers police themselves has not worked. Hospital acquired infections, medical errors and skyrocketing costs are the result. These are at an all time high. In the 21st century there should be 0. Today, you'll spend more time with admissions than with medical staff. Nurses spend more time charting than they do on patient care. Hospital "standards" are set by lawyers not Doctors. All care by a physician is "assumed" to meet standards set by the AMA. Most hospitals do not review physician care unless a complaint is made. The review is proctored by lawyers.
The ACA is far from perfect but it's a start. SOMETHING had to be done and this is the first time anything has been seriously addressed. Even if repubs. manage to get it repealed they will HAVE to replace it. So at the end of the day, somebody got something done. Too bad the congress can't say the same.
The regulators have "consultants" who ar... (show quote)

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I won't argue about the issue because I have been away from it for some years now, but at that time, the hospitals I knew about had infection control departments and continuing education, etc.

We did have, before Obama, the best medical treatment in the entire world. When the dollar is as damaged as ours is, thanks to the Fed. Reserve and Congress, and when medical law suits are at an all time high, I am not convinced medical care is all that expensive. Expensive, yes, but not out of the ball park. There are people who earn their living suing doctors and hospitals or threatening to do so then "settling". This costs ALL OF US, including the insurance companies who insure these people.

And please do not tell me about the superior care in countries who don't have our sorry stats - the way to do that is either not take a dying patient, then you won't have his death on your stats, or don't accept dangerous pregnancies, or don't do serious surgeries. THAT is how great stats are gathered. We don't need that in the US, and to our credit, that isn't how we have done medical care in the past ........ I think you may want to start watching for that in the near future here in the US with Obamacare.

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Jan 3, 2014 17:26:50   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Tasine wrote:
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I won't argue about the issue because I have been away from it for some years now, but at that time, the hospitals I knew about had infection control departments and continuing education, etc.

We did have, before Obama, the best medical treatment in the entire world. When the dollar is as damaged as ours is, thanks to the Fed. Reserve and Congress, and when medical law suits are at an all time high, I am not convinced medical care is all that expensive. Expensive, yes, but not out of the ball park. There are people who earn their living suing doctors and hospitals or threatening to do so then "settling". This costs ALL OF US, including the insurance companies who insure these people.

And please do not tell me about the superior care in countries who don't have our sorry stats - the way to do that is either not take a dying patient, then you won't have his death on your stats, or don't accept dangerous pregnancies, or don't do serious surgeries. THAT is how great stats are gathered. We don't need that in the US, and to our credit, that isn't how we have done medical care in the past ........ I think you may want to start watching for that in the near future here in the US with Obamacare.
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Hello, you may have something correct about adjusting stats by not working on the hard stuff. But do not think it can account for all the disparity...However, I do think the US has technically the best health care but not the most efficient. Also, with all the riches we have all of our citizens should have access to health care..That is a given, the idea goes back generations and is not only a recent Democratic idea..With all the stupidity shown is getting the ACA underway, could be the opposition will blast it out of the water. But if that happens as was stated in the last post, will have to be replaced with something very similar...To you earlier question, Yes I did have to deal with regulations, not medical but with the DOT. And they never seemed to run out of surveys which needed answers.. Not as crucial as medical but time consuming and irritating...

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Jan 3, 2014 23:08:53   #
Rebel
 
A very accurate portrayal of the destructive effect of government intrusion into our affairs. Your "brainwashed lemmings" are beyond hope. They will mindlessly leap off the cliff into their well deserved oblivion, and good riddance !!!
The year 2014 will be a big time crap shoot. Where it will lead and how it will end is way beyond my limited power of comprehension. That said, I'm frankly scared ****LESS !!!

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Jan 4, 2014 00:49:26   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Rebel wrote:
A very accurate portrayal of the destructive effect of government intrusion into our affairs. Your "brainwashed lemmings" are beyond hope. They will mindlessly leap off the cliff into their well deserved oblivion, and good riddance !!!
The year 2014 will be a big time crap shoot. Where it will lead and how it will end is way beyond my limited power of comprehension. That said, I'm frankly scared ****LESS !!!

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Jan 4, 2014 00:54:07   #
angery american Loc: Georgia
 
Rebel wrote:
A very accurate portrayal of the destructive effect of government intrusion into our affairs. Your "brainwashed lemmings" are beyond hope. They will mindlessly leap off the cliff into their well deserved oblivion, and good riddance !!!
The year 2014 will be a big time crap shoot. Where it will lead and how it will end is way beyond my limited power of comprehension. That said, I'm frankly scared ****LESS !!!


I fell the same way about 2014. I have this feeling that we are running out of time to do something about all the madness that Obama and his Zars are creating. Our government is out of control, and 50% of the people can't see it and won't believe how bad it has become.

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Jan 4, 2014 01:03:59   #
rumitoid
 
Tasine wrote:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/the_biggest_obamacare_whopper_of_all.html

FTA
Section 1311(h)(1)(B) of the health law gives the secretary of Health and Human Services blanket authority to dictate how doctors treat patients. Not just patients in government programs like Medicare and Medicaid, but patients with private plans they pay for themselves. On Dec. 2, 2013, we learned from the Federal Register that the rules are now being written. Starting in 2015, insurance companies will be barred from doing business with doctors who fail to comply. The rules will be offered in the name of ensuring "health-care quality," which of course could mean anything.

"The powers given to the secretary are so broad, he or she could literally dictate how all physicians nationwide practice medicine," warns Congressman Phil Gingrey (R. Georgia), himself a physician. Gingrey is sponsoring a bill to repeal Section 1311(h)(1)(B). Otherwise, he says, the HHS secretary - a Washington bureaucrat with no medical training - could, for example, bar doctors from doing routine mammogram screenings until female patients turn 50. In short, the federal government will be calling the shots on what patients get.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please indicate your like or dislike of the type legislation that gives government control over your health care.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/the_bi... (show quote)


Tasine, why is not Section 1311(h)(1)(B) of the ACA included? The same thing has happened with people complaining and accusing about "death panels": the section is never included. I will look it up but this kind of post by Gingrey, failing to quote the section in question, does not go to building rapport with the two sides but rather planting seeds of division.

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