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Dec 21, 2013 15:31:13   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
A little sanity please...

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.
My confession:
I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat...
Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.
In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... The Bible says thou shalt not k**l; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about.. And we said okay..
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to k**l strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing yet?
Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.
Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Pass it on if you think it has merit.
If not, then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,
Ben Stein

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Dec 21, 2013 15:55:06   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
A little sanity please...

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.
My confession:
I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat...
Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.
In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... The Bible says thou shalt not k**l; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about.. And we said okay..
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to k**l strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing yet?
Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.
Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Pass it on if you think it has merit.
If not, then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,
Ben Stein
A little sanity please... br br The following wa... (show quote)


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Dec 21, 2013 16:13:06   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
A little sanity please...

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.
My confession:
I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat...
Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.
In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... The Bible says thou shalt not k**l; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about.. And we said okay..
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to k**l strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing yet?
Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.
Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Pass it on if you think it has merit.
If not, then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,
Ben Stein
A little sanity please... br br The following wa... (show quote)

Outstanding post!! Do you have a link for it? I would like to spread it around a bit if you don't mind.

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Dec 21, 2013 16:25:53   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
archie bunker wrote:
Outstanding post!! Do you have a link for it? I would like to spread it around a bit if you don't mind.


Sorry Archie: A friend sent it to me.....but if you go to Stein's
website you can probably find it? Merry Christmas!

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Dec 21, 2013 16:44:52   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Sorry Archie: A friend sent it to me.....but if you go to Stein's
website you can probably find it? Merry Christmas!


I'll do that. Give me a chance to improve my tech sk**ls. (or lack thereof)
Thanks for posting that, and a Very Merry Christmas to you!!
:-D :-D

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Dec 21, 2013 17:33:28   #
imp Loc: Mn.
 
Nice. I'll spread the thought meme. The C*******t party mentality is getting a firm grip. We need to study the Bible with everybody. Our congregation has had over twenty conversions this year.

My posts are far out. I want to know how to sift out t***h from propaganda. I do believe the Bible is true and that the word never comes back void.

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Dec 21, 2013 20:04:10   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
imp wrote:
Nice. I'll spread the thought meme. The C*******t party mentality is getting a firm grip. We need to study the Bible with everybody. Our congregation has had over twenty conversions this year.

My posts are far out. I want to know how to sift out t***h from propaganda. I do believe the Bible is true and that the word never comes back void.


Hey, imp. Really like your avatar. Can't really tell who you are replying to, but if you "hit" quote/reply BEFORE you start your response, we will all know exactly who it is that you are responding to.

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Dec 21, 2013 21:05:38   #
rumitoid
 
If Christianity worked as Jesus proposed, there would be no need for this thread. Christians are not to be tolerant of any faith; they are to be loving and copiously giving. The problem starts with those defenders of sects, claiming exclusive revelation of t***h, like a well-known pair here. Are they right or wrong? God only knows. But t***h does not abide a lack of love and charity. Asked again, what say you to these, er, "Christians"?

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Dec 22, 2013 07:18:00   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
imp wrote:
Nice. I'll spread the thought meme. The C*******t party mentality is getting a firm grip. We need to study the Bible with everybody. Our congregation has had over twenty conversions this year.

My posts are far out. I want to know how to sift out t***h from propaganda. I do believe the Bible is true and that the word never comes back void.


-love your "username," and your faith...

"So shall My Word be that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it."
Isaiah 55:11

http://www.snopes.com/

Quote:
Claim: Transcript reproduces Ben Stein's television commentary about the observance of Christmas.

PARTLY TRUE

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/confessions.asp


Mr. Stein has offered occasional commentaries for the CBS Sunday Morning news program, and the item quoted above is based on one such commentary, titled "Confessions for the Holidays" and delivered by Mr. Stein on that program on 18 December 2005, one week before Christmas.

However, we rate this item only "partly true" because the versions of this piece which now circulate online typically contain transcription errors, present only a truncated version of the original, and include additional text and other modifications that were not part of the piece as it was first aired.

Here is the full version as broadcast, taken from a CBS News transcript of the program:

CHARLES OSGOOD: We all have our own thoughts about the holidays. Here's Ben Stein with his.

BEN STEIN: Here at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my beating heart. I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are.

(Footage of People magazine; Us magazine)

STEIN: I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I'm buying my dog biscuits. I still don't know. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores who they are. They don't know who Nick and Jessica are, either. Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they are and why they've broken up? Why are they so darned important?

(Footage of People magazine)

STEIN: I don't know who Lindsay Lohan is either, and I don't care at all about Tom Cruise's baby.

(Vintage footage of congressional hearing)

STEIN: Am I going to be called before a Senate committee and asked if I'm a subversive? Maybe. But I just have no clue who Nick and Jessica are. Is this what it means to be no longer young? Hm, not so bad.

Next confession: I am a Jew and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish, and it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautifully lit-up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees.

(Footage of Christmas trees)

STEIN: I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are — Christmas trees. It doesn't bother me a bit when people say 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they're slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. I shows that we're all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year.

It doesn't bother me one bit that there's a manger scene on display at a key intersection at my beach house in Malibu.

(Footage of manger scene; menorah)

STEIN: If people want a creche, fine. The menorah a few hundred yards away is fine, too. I do not like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat. Or maybe I can put it another way. Where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and aren't allowed to worship God as we understand him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we used to know went to.
Claim: Transcript reproduces Ben Stein's televis... (show quote)


Specific items from other authors have been added to this commentary as it has been recycled through the years, as you'll see if you go to the Snopes URL above, including paragraphs in the email being currently circulated this year, which was posted here.

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Dec 22, 2013 07:18:16   #
banpc27
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
A little sanity please...

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.
My confession:
I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat...
Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.
In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... The Bible says thou shalt not k**l; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about.. And we said okay..
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to k**l strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing yet?
Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.
Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Pass it on if you think it has merit.
If not, then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,
Ben Stein
A little sanity please... br br The following wa... (show quote)


that pretty much sums it up Mr. Stein,,,,people tend to wait till disaster knocks on their front door before realizing that the disaster in already in their castle....... :shock:

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Dec 22, 2013 11:20:30   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Zemirah wrote:
Specific items from other authors have been added to this commentary as it has been recycled through the years, as you'll see if you go to the Snopes URL above, including paragraphs in the email being currently circulated this year, which was posted here.


Thank you for providing the original Ben Stein statement, which is an effective positive statement refuting the extremes of "political correctness" regarding public display of Christianity at Christmas holiday. And thank you for pointing out the modifications of the original used to twist the original to other agendas.

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Dec 22, 2013 12:32:53   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Zemirah wrote:
Specific items from other authors have been added to this commentary as it has been recycled through the years, as you'll see if you go to the Snopes URL above, including paragraphs in the email being currently circulated this year, which was posted here.


My Friend Zemirah: Watch out with sites like Snopes...They are strictly "Hobby sites" and have been caught pushing agendas. They operate with no regulation...! "T***h has no agenda"

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Dec 22, 2013 12:45:07   #
VladimirPee
 
Interesting note that O'Hair who was once a far left extremist would be mainstream Democrat today. Oh and she once tried to defect to the Soviet Union too.

ldsuttonjr wrote:
A little sanity please...

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.
My confession:
I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat...
Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.
In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... The Bible says thou shalt not k**l; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about.. And we said okay..
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to k**l strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing yet?
Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.
Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Pass it on if you think it has merit.
If not, then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,
Ben Stein
A little sanity please... br br The following wa... (show quote)

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Dec 22, 2013 22:29:34   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
imp wrote:
Nice. I'll spread the thought meme. The C*******t party mentality is getting a firm grip. We need to study the Bible with everybody. Our congregation has had over twenty conversions this year.

My posts are far out. I want to know how to sift out t***h from propaganda. I do believe the Bible is true and that the word never comes back void.


Same here Brother..

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Merry Christmas

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Dec 28, 2013 13:31:17   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
My Friend Zemirah: Watch out with sites like Snopes...They are strictly "Hobby sites" and have been caught pushing agendas. They operate with no regulation...! "T***h has no agenda"


Thanks, Id, for your concern, and for calling me "friend."

I have a real preoccupation with t***h, witness the collection of 6,000 non-fiction, mostly reference and history books distributed in myriad bookcases, scattered through every room in my seventy year old house, that are now usually precluded by an online search.

My insurance agent told me years ago my living room might well end up in the basement because of the weight of the books.

I would have preferred that every word of Ben Stein's current letter be his literal writings, because I agreed with the sentiments as printed...
but it is what it is.

There is only one absolute t***h when dealing with real people, real dates, real occurrences, irregardless of Post-Modern Academic Collectivism, Deconstructionism, Modernism, Minimalism and
Poststructuralism, if it can be sought out.

I have checked several on-line critiques of the Snopes site in the past - before quoting them. Every reputable source I found called them accurate and unbiased, insofar as anyone has been able to ascertain.

The quotes from Wikipedia and others below are supported by their referenced sources.


Quote:
http://www.commonsensemedia.org/website-reviews/snopes
What's it about?

If you're wondering about the verity of the latest Internet scare or computer v***s, Snopes has likely sorted the facts from the fiction. As one of the foremost sites on the Internet for checking out urban legends and other e-t***hs or lies, Snopes takes p***e in uncovering the reality behind stories circulating around the news and Internet.

The site uses a rating system to indicate t***h, falsehood, part true, part false, or undetermined. Thousands of stories are categorized by general subject -- .


July 21, 2004, 8:30 a.m.
Where Urban Legends Fall
Snopes.com, the ultimate debunker.

"...long before the familiar pundits began touring the Michael Moore media circuit, urban-legend debunkers Barbara and David Mikkelson, of the indispensable Snopes.com, were on the case.

"Snopes began as a purely urban-legends site in 1995, run out of the couple's home in the Los Angeles suburbs. But especially since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, it's become an invaluable resource for sifting through political and media facts and fallacies."

Accuracy

Snopes has received praise from folklorist Dr. Jan Harold Brunvand, author of a number of books on urban legends and modern folklore, who considers the site so comprehensive as to obviate the necessity for launching one of his own.*[11]

*Seipp, Cathy (July 21, 2004). "Where Urban Legends Fall". National Review Online.

David Mikkelson has said that the site receives more complaints of liberal bias than conservative bias,*[23] but insists that the same debunking standards are applied to all political urban legends.

*"Snopes.com". FactCheck. 2009-04-10. Retrieved 2011-11-04.

FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, and Barack Obama, and found them to be free from bias in all cases.

FactCheck noted that Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to v**e in US e******ns) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was once registered as a Republican. "You'd be hard-pressed to find two more apolitical people," David Mikkelson told them.*[23]**[24]

*"Snopes.com". FactCheck. 2009-04-10. Retrieved 2011-11-04.
**"Fact-checking the fact-checkers: Snopes.com gets an 'A'". Network World. April 13, 2009.
http://www.commonsensemedia.org/website-reviews/sn... (show quote)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com

Snopes.com /ˈsnoʊps/, also known as the Urban Legends Reference Pages, is a website covering urban legends, Internet rumors, e-mail forwards, and other stories of unknown or questionable origin.*[2] It is a well-known resource for validating and debunking such stories in American popular culture,**[3] receiving 300,000 visits a day.***[4]

* Snopes.com: Debunking Myths in Cyberspace National Public Radio August 27, 2005
**Neil Henry, American Carnival: Journalism Under Siege in an Age of New Media (University of California Press 2007), p. 285.
***David Pogue (July 15, 2010). "At Snopes.com, Rumors Are Held Up to the Light". The New York Times. Retrieved July 16, 2010.

Snopes is run by Barbara and David Mikkelson, a California couple who met in the alt.folklore.urban newsgroup.*[6] The site is organized by topic and includes a message board where stories and pictures of questionable veracity may be posted. The Mikkelsons founded the San Fernando Valley Folklore Society and were credited as the owners of that site until 2005.

*Brian Stelter (April 4, 2010). "Debunkers of Fictions Sift the Net". New York Times. Retrieved April 5, 2010.[/quote]

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