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Do we listen to Jefferson or Obama
Dec 18, 2013 22:34:20   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Here I have an example of the words of each man in which they fail to agree. I like Jefferson but that makes me a r****t.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602685946453105&set=a.351212731600429.92717.350771908311178&type=1

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Dec 19, 2013 01:55:22   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
"We discover in the Gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, of fabrication and fanaticism." Thomas Jefferson


Jefferson is my favorite forefather also!


oldroy wrote:
Here I have an example of the words of each man in which they fail to agree. I like Jefferson but that makes me a r****t.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602685946453105&set=a.351212731600429.92717.350771908311178&type=1

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Dec 19, 2013 07:17:14   #
risingeagle
 
I dont consider Obama a legal president. Then he talks, he is not talking to you and I, but instead , he is talking to his Muslims and the i*****l i*******ts.

My choice is our founding fathers

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Dec 19, 2013 13:24:18   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
"We discover in the Gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, of fabrication and fanaticism." Thomas Jefferson


Jefferson is my favorite forefather also!


Where do you leaners get all those words that fit your agenda? Is it some left leaning site I don't know about? Well, yes it is. You are one of the worst cherry pickers around here.

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Dec 19, 2013 13:47:03   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
No the information is in history books, one of which you obviously have never opened!


oldroy wrote:
Where do you leaners get all those words that fit your agenda? Is it some left leaning site I don't know about? Well, yes it is. You are one of the worst cherry pickers around here.

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Dec 19, 2013 17:32:18   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
No the information is in history books, one of which you obviously have never opened!


He probably reads history books that accurately portray history, not the left-wing propaganda books that distort history that you and your ilk read.

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Dec 19, 2013 18:20:00   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
No the information is in history books, one of which you obviously have never opened!


We have studied different history books. I will have to admit that none of the over 50 college hours I have behind me were based on progressive writings. Of course, all of yours were, right?

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Dec 19, 2013 18:22:08   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
OldSchool wrote:
He probably reads history books that accurately portray history, not the left-wing propaganda books that distort history that you and your ilk read.


I still have a lot of the old text books for my history courses in my basement and not one of them says any of that crap that the progs here like to hear so much. My favorite period of American History was the Constitutional era and I just didn't see the things they dig up.

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Dec 20, 2013 05:19:21   #
stymie
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
"We discover in the Gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, of fabrication and fanaticism." Thomas Jefferson


Jefferson is my favorite forefather also!


Raylan, I studied at the U of V in Charlottesville and have extensive knowledge of Jefferson's quotes. I would need to see documented proof of your stated quote above as I believe it to be a fabrication. However, for your edification
I will share with you several quotes he actually made.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

"There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people."

Rather prophetic I would say. Based on those quotes I would think your favorite forefather would be a present day Conservative. Perhaps you need to rethink your current persuasion. Could it possibly be that you are actually Conservative and don't know it?

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Dec 20, 2013 05:37:37   #
rumitoid
 
stymie wrote:
Raylan, I studied at the U of V in Charlottesville and have extensive knowledge of Jefferson's quotes. I would need to see documented proof of your stated quote above as I believe it to be a fabrication. However, for your edification
I will share with you several quotes he actually made.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

"There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people."

Rather prophetic I would say.
Raylan, I studied at the U of V in Charlottesville... (show quote)


Rather opinionated, I would say, and quite in keeping with his conflicted views. Michelle Bachman might be appalled by my statements but not you, stymie. Borrowing from a number of great thinkers, JF fashioned the Declaration of Independence. Nothing Original. Like a suave high schooler, he sk**lfully avoided outright indictments for plagiarism and came off as an original.

He attributes to God the granting of certain unalienable rights he personally disagreed with and are not in the Bible. Paganism agrees, but not scripture. Humanism is awed but mistaken.

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Dec 20, 2013 05:44:39   #
rumitoid
 
oldroy wrote:
Here I have an example of the words of each man in which they fail to agree. I like Jefferson but that makes me a r****t.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602685946453105&set=a.351212731600429.92717.350771908311178&type=1


Do you want to listen to Jefferson on the Bible? Or how to keep a s***e? Or manage an estate?

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Dec 20, 2013 12:57:15   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
rumitoid wrote:
Do you want to listen to Jefferson on the Bible? Or how to keep a s***e? Or manage an estate?


There is plenty from him that is not offensive to me especially since he wrote from more than one dais.

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