rumitoid

Watched this movie last night: great flick. Liked it when I saw it decades ago but it is truly pertinent and insightful now, especially how politics looks to foil what is good and just for "we the people." It also shows an America where God was front and center. Try it, you'll like it.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Most of the movies I watch on TV play on AMC or TMC. I don't limit myself to those two channels, but they present me with real options to what's playing on others!

"Meet John Doe" is a fine movie, although I didn't watch it last night. I watched a movie with the Sgt. Major, of her choice. I usually watch mine, alone, and she, the same. We have different tastes in movies, obviously.

We make the effort to watch at least 3-4 movies together, each week. Otherwise, when I spend time on the OPP, she usually plays her video games.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

John Doe met Jane Doe and it all went to s#@t after that. They had numerous t$#ds called children. There names are, Demicrat, Republincoln, tictac and dotsey.

jay-are

I just watched the movie, and made the following notes as I watched.

1. How we as Americans are deceitful, and don’t even recognize it as evil, but we celebrate it as amusing and entertaining.

2. When we accept free handouts, we make ourselves willing pawns in their plans, and we become their s***es, and sacrifice our personal freedom. We may gain riches, but sacrifice the freedom to use the riches to our own intents and purposes.

3. How easily we are corrupted by money and power.

4. The readers prefer the lies that sound sensational and exciting rather than the t***h.

5. We can’t trust anything the news media puts out. Or, we are fools to trust anything the news media puts out.

6. Newspapers only put out sensationalism, not information.

7. Newspapers are only interested in deceiving to swindle people out of money and not in the least interested in informing the public.

8. Politicians and media are conspiring for power and control.

9. Politicians use money to win, and care nothing for ideas, or core principles.

10. Degrade and put down people who are decent and honest and giving, and make out people who only care about money and power as the only ones with any sense, and morally superior.

11. After gaining riches and happiness through deception, then it is put forth that deception will be perceived as a negative on a person’s reputation. All of a sudden, the movie contradicts itself. In the beginning, it advocates that deceiving is a positive attribute for the woman reporter, and then it tries to advocate the deceiving will be a negative attribute for the baseball pitcher. Deceiving is the same in both cases, but we are to accept without question that this contradiction makes perfect sense. Well, I don’t accept that a contradiction makes sense. One side or the other makes sense. Two opposite suppositions cannot both make sense.

12. Once you start to deceive, you can never be trusted again.

13. For someone to be convincing as a liar, they must be pathological.

14. Deceit and lying leads to extortion and s***ery. We become s***es to the lie.

15. The tea party is right, and is the best way to overcome the evils we fear today of the ruling class riding tyranny over all the John Does.

16. The people chase after a good liar to be their leader rather than have an honest person stand up and represent what he truly believes in.

17. The John Doe club is the same as the Tea Party, except the Tea Party was started honestly by real people who really believe in fiscal responsibility, and are not just giving a prepared speech to impress people, with the intent to deceive, and to gain political power.

18. Mr. Norton immediately jumped to get support from the John Doe Club, whereas, the Republican party goes to great lengths to criticize and denigrate Tea Party members even after the Tea Party delivered a huge political windfall in 2010 for the Republicans.

19. The way the guy started the John Doe club is exactly how Tea Party members started getting together with friends and neighbors to discuss how to exercise the power of the people.

20. The Tea Party did not make the mistake of letting the ruling class grab control and organize everything and thereby become s***es again to the same old masters that they started out going against, like happened to the John Doe club.

21. In the movie, the Democrats and the Republicans were fighting to get John Doe club v**es. In real life, the Democrats and the Republicans are fighting to keep Tea Party v**ers out of their parties.

22. What are the chances a Tea Party leader like Matt Kibbe would ever be put on the cover of Time magazine? How twisted the American spirit has become. It has been reversed 180 degrees since 1941.

23. After long enough, the liars begin to believe their lies are t***h.

24. I only wish the Clintons had the scruples to be sorry for the havoc they caused with their lies.

25. People want the things they believe in to be reality, not just lofty ideals that can never be real. America is the only time or place in the history of mankind where they actually tried to live the ideal. That is why America became such a huge success.

26. People are influenced to be loyal or to do things they wouldn’t otherwise do when they are given gifts, especially big, expensive gifts. In that sense, the gifts are not gifts, but investments that expect a return.

27. The editor likes America the way it is supposed to be, free. When c*******ts say they like America, they don’t mean the same thing as people who are Tea Party types who love individual freedom and not having the government own everything. C*******ts also say they love America, but they lie. They don’t really love America, they h**e America, but they say they love America to deceive us who truly love America as a land of freedom. Only those who truly love the freedom that America represents can honestly say they love America.

28. The establishment Republicans tried to do the same to the Tea Party as D.B. Norton tried to do to the John Doe club. When they failed, they started trying to destroy the Tea Party.

29. Too bad there are no newspaper editors around anymore who would stand up to the politically powerful, or even be against them like editor Connell in this movie was.

30. What a laugh, the f**e D.B. Norton calling the f**e John Doe a f**e. They are both f**e in the movie, but in real life, I am real, and I really believe in the real values of the Tea Party just like the real John Does really believed in the real values of the John Doe speeches.

31. This movie would have us believe that nothing is real, and we must choose the lie that we prefer. Well, that assertion is a lie, and it is time we choose the t***h and reject all the lies.

32. The opposition is willing to fight to the death for what they want. But the Republicans are determined to compromise and never get what they want, but they will be satisfied to say they were the ones who c*********d, and on that basis they feel superior.

33. Having John Doe arrested so he can’t talk and tell the t***h reminds me of the regime keeping the witnesses to the B******i murders quiet, and the Clintons destruction of the witnesses against them.

34. The politicians only view people as animals to be controlled and herded and they will use wh**ever means to attain their goals.

35. In the end, the people choose to follow the evil deceivers rather than continue to believe in and do right based on moral ideals and absolutes.

36. The politicians win and the people lose when the people allow themselves to be manipulated by the leaders who are only interested in power for themselves.

37. The people have the power, but they don’t believe it. They think the politicians have the power, but they don’t believe that the politicians have no power unless the people give it to them. They know somebody will give the politicians power, so they go along with one or the other to get their share of the crumbs.

38. A lot of the John Doe clubbers were willing to throw away all the gains they had made and any chance for future gains at the first sign of trouble. A sad comment on human nature. They were as shallow as the power mongers, only interested in personal gain, and not founded in core principles.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

When did you have the time to watch the movie, with all this "note-taking"?

I guess you would have me feel guilty for enjoying this movie? :roll: I do/did not. :thumbup:

jay-are

I enjoyed the movie. But I don't allow myself to be manipulated by media. I keep track of what messages they are sending and reaffirm my personal core principles along the way, rather than being swayed with the wind blown wheat.

Have you ever heard of subliminal messages. You should be wary of them.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

I respect what you say, Jay-are. You are to be admired, for sticking to your "core" principles. Myself, and others, also are capable of enjoying entertainment for the sake of entertainment.

I glean what I care to, out of any "messge", whether in a movie, or any other medium. At 64+ years, I, too, have been aware of "subliminal" messages since primary school, in the 50s. I am quite wary...of life, from the lessons I've learned over the years. Thank you for your concern.

What led you to believe I was "manipulated" by the movie, as you seem to suggest?

rumitoid

Lol, you met the family.

rumitoid

Jay-are, getting something instructive from the movie is not being manipulated by the media. Many times the message of Christ was mentioned in this movie: manipulation? The end of the movie was re-affirming that John Doe's best message was simply reiterating a message that was 2000 years old. Who cares? Did you like the bloody movie or what?

jay-are

I didn't say anything about you being manipulated by the movie. That never crossed my mind. Sorry if it sounded that way.

I only intended to give an explanation for how and why I took the notes that I posted. That was just to answer your question, not to criticize you.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

:wink: I take you at your word, and apologize. I read it to suggest I, among others, did.

Perhaps, my "hypersensitive" self took over! :roll: :lol: :mrgreen:

jay-are

I said I enjoyed the movie.

I didn't see the message of Christ mentioned in the movie. If it was, it was hypocritical or contradictory, because there were numerous examples of anti-Christian behavior, that were not criticized but rather were celebrated. Some were criticized, like Norton and his commitee, but the lying and deceit were celebrated, and the sensationalism of the newspaper stories was celebrated as superior to informative reporting, and it was accepted as normal and even reasonable or understandable. There was no message to counter that. There was even a message that a lie can be a good thing. That was kind of the moral of the story at the end. Everybody wanted John to continue the John Doe lie for the good of all. - Not really what Christ would teach.

jay-are

No need to apologize. You didn't do anything wrong. You asked a valid question. That is not offensive or wrong.

jay-are

rumitoid,

Thank you for initiating this topic. The subject of mind control and subliminal manipulation by the media has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time. I am always screaming back at the TV during programs and commercials, and news broadcasts in the attempt to keep the hidden messages from warping my mind.

I was glad for the opportunity to share my concerns in this area with people and see if anybody else feels the same way. It feels good when you strike a chord with a topic.

Thanks.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

I only read the first eighteen, all he was doing is describing the democrat party