Concealed Carry: How Utah became Americas gun permit milland other surprising, terrifying absurdities from the fight over firearms.

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

How Utah became Americas gun permit milland other surprising, terrifying absurdities from the fight over firearms.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/gun-law-concealed-carry-permit-utah-101113.html#ixzz2nkBryVbB

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

OldSchool wrote:

How Utah became Americas gun permit milland other surprising, terrifying absurdities from the fight over firearms.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/gun-law-concealed-carry-permit-utah-101113.html#ixzz2nkBryVbB

Interesting article. Thanks for posting the link.

Even though I reside in Virginia and didn't need to take it (because VA has a c*****rjack box approval process), I took the Utah-approved CCW class taught by the NRA over a year ago so that I could get both Virginia's and Utah's permits, which, when added together, cover something like 40 states. I ended up not submitting my application to Utah because Virginia's permit covers 32 states, including all the states in which I am most likely to travel during the next 5 years. Maybe I'll get one then (if it's still available).

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

RetNavyCWO wrote:

Interesting article. Thanks for posting the link.... (show quote)

Yeah, I have CCWs from Utah, Nevada, and Florida. Utah CCW is not recognized in Nevada, and since I am moving to Utah in the spring, I got a Utah CCW. Florida's CCW was included in the training program, which gives me a couple more states. I am currently developing a 20 acre off-grid property in Utah, and it will be ready for move-in in early spring. My son will be retiring from the police force in three years, and is building on the property too. We're not into the prepper scene, but we are going to be self-sufficient.

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

OldSchool wrote:

Yeah, I have CCWs from Utah, Nevada, and Florida. ... (show quote)

It might surprise you to hear it, but you are (or will be) living my dream! Not so sure about Utah, though! I prefer the trees around here (like Romney preferred Michigan's trees). I know and understand the wildlife around here. Utah and those environs are just foreign to me.

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

RetNavyCWO wrote:

It might surprise you to hear it, but you are (or will be) living my dream! Not so sure about Utah, though! I prefer the trees around here (like Romney preferred Michigan's trees). I know and understand the wildlife around here. Utah and those environs are just foreign to me.

There are plenty of pine and Juniper trees on the property. The property is at 5800 feet elevation, but it is absolutely beautiful up there. We have a well for water, a septic system, and a 4kw 15-panel solar array (with back up 14kw generator) for power.

Yeah, you're an east coaster, and I'm a west coaster. I did one two year tour on the East Coast, six months in Groton CT and 18 months on a nuclear sub out of Charleston. When I made CWO, I told the detailer "I don't care what you put me on, just get me back on the west coast." Since I was picked up on a surface designator (not many CWOs in the sub service), I got a cruiser out of San Diego. Too much humidity and too many bugs on the east coast for me - they had bugs in Charleston I don't believe have even been classified yet.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

OldSchool wrote:

How Utah became Americas gun permit milland other surprising, terrifying absurdities from the fight over firearms.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/gun-law-concealed-carry-permit-utah-101113.html#ixzz2nkBryVbB

Forcing me to buy a permit from a government bureau to put my private personal gun in my personal private pocket is a severe inftingement on my constitutional rights.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

RetNavyCWO wrote:

It might surprise you to hear it, but you are (or will be) living my dream! Not so sure about Utah, though! I prefer the trees around here (like Romney preferred Michigan's trees). I know and understand the wildlife around here. Utah and those environs are just foreign to me.

Shenandoah Valley?

rumitoid

I hear all this and I hear halleluiahs to violence. It is in me nature, like the scorpion and frog crossing the river as bad companions. No hurrah in the capacity to k**l someone. Enough nuclear bombs to k**l the entire world three times over: was that the real deterrent or fretting over who might be left to subjugate the population further. Is my bunker deep enough?

Insanity to arms. You don't get it. Liberal idealism or maybe a socialist plot of confiscation. Pity. It was never that the US and Soviets armed themselves to the point of peace but rather that neither side was sure of one man standing for either ideology. The red button was a plaything. Disarming ourselves is the way to real peace but a debased pragmatism keeps us from what is best.

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

rumitoid wrote:

I hear all this and I hear halleluiahs to violence... (show quote)

Why can't we all get along...tip toe through the tulips...blah, blah, blah...

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

AuntiE wrote:

Shenandoah Valley?

You nailed it! There are many beautiful places in this great country of ours, and the Shenandoah Valley is one of them.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

RetNavyCWO wrote:

You nailed it! There are many beautiful places in this great country of ours, and the Shenandoah Valley is one of them.

Of course, I nailed it. As my car has I-81 memorized, I can enjoy the scenery while traversing the Valley. Being originally from the next "valley" over, my statement would be The Commonwealth has an inordinate number of "beautiful places".

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

RetNavyCWO wrote:

You nailed it! There are many beautiful places in this great country of ours, and the Shenandoah Valley is one of them.

I've been trough there and it is very scenic, especially in the fall. The wife and I were full-time RV'ers for ten years, and we traveled through every one of the lower 48 states but North Dakota (don't know why we missed that one). each state had something to offer, but we are both from the west coast, and we settled back on the west coast after selling the RV.

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

AuntiE wrote:

Of course, I nailed it. As my car has I-81 memorized, I can enjoy the scenery while traversing the Valley. Being originally from the next "valley" over, my statement would be The Commonwealth has an inordinate number of "beautiful places".

Something we agree on!

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

AuntiE wrote:

Of course, I nailed it. As my car has I-81 memorized, I can enjoy the scenery while traversing the Valley. Being originally from the next "valley" over, my statement would be The Commonwealth has an inordinate number of "beautiful places".

I have been back and forth across this country several times and the only place I have found in any state that wasn't beautiful is the large cities

mongo Loc: TEXAS

OldSchool wrote:

Why can't we all get along...tip toe through the tulips...blah, blah, blah...

Tiny Tim, a real american Hero! May he rest in pieces.