'Universe-shattering' twist in Obama birth probe
Dec 15, 2013 08:29:26 #
The lead investigator in Sheriff Joe Arpaios Cold Case Posse investigation of President Obamas birth certificate says the case has taken a startling turn, and sheriffs investigators now are assisting the Cold Case volunteers.
When this information is finally exposed to the public, it will be universe-shattering, Mike Zullo told WND. This is beyond the pale of anything you can imagine.
Zullo explained that because its an active investigation that could produce criminal charges, hes unable to reveal details at the moment.
But the allegations, he said, which go far beyond a fraudulent birth certificate, could be public as early as March.
The issue arose once again because of the death Wednesday in Hawaii of state Health Department chief Loretta Fuddy in a plane crash. She was the official who waived state prohibitions and provided to the White House a copy of a document that Obama presented to the public as his birth certificate.
Its the document that Arpaios investigators have concluded is fraudulent.
Amid conspiracy theories circulating the Internet, Zullo told WND Friday that Fuddys death she was the only fatality among nine people aboard a small airplane that crashed off the coast of Molokai appears to be a tragic accident, not foul play.
He said his investigation does not depend on any information from Fuddy.
In an interview today with author and talk-radio host Carl Gallups of PPSimmons News and Ministry Network and the author of The Magic Man in the Sky, and the new The Rabbi who Found Messiah, Zullo said his investigation of the Obama fraud case does not hinge on Ms. Fuddy.
While her death certainly is a tragedy, it in no way hampers our investigation in this matter, he said. If people truly believe that her untimely demise was somehow related to an attempt to silence her for what she may or may not know, then there are several more people in Hawaii who should be very, very concerned.
Again, I want to emphasize, Zullo said, Sheriff Arpaio and I do not, at this time, believe her death was connected to any nefarious circumstances.
The birth certificate dispute dates back to before the 2008 e******n. Critics, including Hillary Clinton, raised the issue about Obamas status as a natural-born citizen. Not defined in the Constitution, it probably was thought at the time of the writing of the Constitution to be someone born of two citizen parents.
Obama fails that test because his father was a Kenyan student visiting the U.S.
Arpaio assigned his Cold Case Posse to look into the issue before the 2012 e******n, when constituents approached him and asked him to check whether Obama would be an ineligible candidate on the p**********l e******n b****t.
In a recent radio interview with Gallups, Zullo affirmed the investigation had been expanded to the county sheriffs office and was moving in a direction that was not anticipated by us.
The whole [issue] is more nefarious than you can imagine, Zullo said, crediting Arpaio for ordering the investigation and sticking with it.
He knows in his gut that something is wrong, Zullo said.
Dozens of lawsuits have been filed without success. One case is pending before the Alabama Supreme Court for which Zullo provided evidence.
Still a live issue
Zullo has testified that the White House computer image of Obamas birth certificate contains anomalies that are unexplainable unless the document had been fabricated piecemeal by human intervention, rather than being copied from a genuine paper document.
Mr. Obama has, in fact, not offered any verifiable authoritative document of any legal significance or possessing any evidentiary value as to the origins of his purported birth narrative or location of the birth event, he explained. One of our most serious concerns is that the White House document appears to have been fabricated piecemeal on a computer, constructed by drawing together digitized data from several unknown sources.
Zullo also has noted that the governor of Hawaii was unable to produce an original birth document for Obama, and it should have been easy to find.
More recently, Grace Vuoto of the World Tribune reported that among the experts challenging the birth certificate is certified document analyst Reed Hayes, who has served as an expert for Perkins Coie, the law firm that has been defending Obama in eligibility cases.
We have obtained an affidavit from a certified document analyzer, Reed Hayes, that states the document is a 100 percent forgery, no doubt about it, Zullo told the World Tribune.
Mr. Obamas operatives cannot discredit [Hayes], the investigator told the news outlet. Mr. Hayes has been used as the firms reliable expert. The very firm the president is using to defend him on the birth certificate case has used Mr. Hayes in their cases.
The Tribune reported Hayes agreed to take a look at the documentation and called almost immediately.
There is something wrong with this, Hayes said.
Hayes produced a 40-page report in which he says based on my observations and findings, it is clear that the Certificate of Live Birth I examined is not a scan of an original paper birth certificate, but a digitally manufactured document created by utilizing material from various sources.
In over 20 years of examining documentation of various types, I have never seen a document that is so seriously questionable in so many respects. In my opinion, the birth certificate is entirely fabricated, he says in the report.
Investigator Douglas J. Hagmann of the Northeast Intelligence Network reported this month that in October an affidavit was filed in a court case, under seal, that purportedly identifies the creator of the Obama birth certificate.
He said Douglas Vogt, an author and the owner and operator of a scanning business who also has an accounting background, invested over two years in an investigation of the authenticity of document.
Vogt, along with veteran typesetter Paul Ivey, conducted exhaustive research of the document provided to the White House Press Corps on April 27, 2011 not the online PDF, a critical distinction that must be understood, Hagmann said.
Using their combined experience of 80 years in this realm, they conducted extensive examinations of the copy that was used as the basis for the PDF document. They acquired the same type of equipment that was used back in the late 1950s and early 1960s in an attempt to recreate the document presented as an authenticated copy proving the legitimacy of Barack Obama. Instead, they found 20 points of forgery on that document and detail each point of forgery in the affidavit, wrote Hagmann.
Even more interesting, Mr. Vogt claims to have identified the signature of the perpetrator, or the woman who created the forged document, hidden within the document itself. Her identity, in addition to the identity of other conspirators and their precise methods are contained in a sealed document supplementing the public affidavit.
Grounds for impeachment
Last month, WND columnist Christopher Monckton wrote that the controversy he calls Hawaiigate should be the central ground of impeachment.
First, the dishonesty is shameless and in your face. Mr Obamas advisers, once they realized the birth certificate was as bogus as a $3 bill, knew that if they simply went on pretending that $3 bills are legal tender the hard-left-dominated news media would carefully and continuously look the other way, pausing occasionally to sneer at anyone who pointed out that, in this constitutionally crucial respect, the president has no clothes, Monckton wrote.
Secondly, not one of the numerous agencies of state, as well as federal government, whose duty was and is to investigate the Mickey-Mouse birth certificate has bothered even to respond to the thousands of requests for investigation put forward by U.S. citizens.
He said that in Hawaii last year, he watched as a senior former state senator called the police and, when they came, handed over to them compelling evidence that the birth certificate had been forged.
The police, correctly, passed the file to the states attorney general, a Democrat, who did nothing about it, he said.
In Washington, D.C., I watched as a concerned citizen from Texas telephoned the FBI and reported the birth certificate as being a forgery. They said they would send two agents to see him within the hour. No one came.
You tell me about eligibility
One of the highest profile skeptics has been billionaire Donald Trump.
Trump said he cant be certain that Obama is eligible to be president, and he pointedly noted that a reporter who was poking fun at the issue admitted he cant, either.
Trump repeatedly has insisted Obama has not documented his eligibility. At one point, he offered $5 million to the charity or charities of Obamas choice if he would release his passport records and authorize the colleges he attended to release his applications and other records.
Trump argues that those documents would show whether or not Obama ever accepted scholarship or other aid as a foreign student, which could preclude him from being a natural-born citizen.
Trumps conversation with ABCs Jonathan Karl started with Karl noting that Trump took on the not serious issue of eligibility.
Why does that make me not serious? Trump demanded. I think that resonated with a lot of people.
Karl replied: You dont still question he was born in the United States, do you?
I have no idea, Trump said. I dont know. Was there a birth certificate? You tell me. You know some people say that was not his birth certificate. Im saying I dont know. Nobody knows, and you dont know either. Jonathan youre a smart guy, and you dont know.
When Karl admitted he was pretty sure, Trump jumped on the statement.
You just said youre pretty sure you have to be 100 percent sure, he said. Jonathan, you said youre pretty convinced, so lets just see what happens over time.
Among the many records the Obama camp has refused to release are the marriage license of his father (Barack Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham), name change records (Barry Soetero to Barack Hussein Obama), adoption records, records of his and his mothers repatriation as U.S. citizens from Indonesia, baptism records, Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii) records, Punahou School financial aid or school records, Occidental College financial aid records, Harvard Law School records, Columbia senior thesis, Columbia College records, record with Illinois State Bar Association, files from his terms as an Illinois state senator, his law client list, medical records and passport records.
Monckton, citing Zullos sworn affidavit in a court case, published a sworn mathematical analysis demonstrating the near-zero probability that the White House birth certificate is genuine.
When this information is finally exposed to the public, it will be universe-shattering, Mike Zullo told WND. This is beyond the pale of anything you can imagine.
Zullo explained that because its an active investigation that could produce criminal charges, hes unable to reveal details at the moment.
But the allegations, he said, which go far beyond a fraudulent birth certificate, could be public as early as March.
The issue arose once again because of the death Wednesday in Hawaii of state Health Department chief Loretta Fuddy in a plane crash. She was the official who waived state prohibitions and provided to the White House a copy of a document that Obama presented to the public as his birth certificate.
Its the document that Arpaios investigators have concluded is fraudulent.
Amid conspiracy theories circulating the Internet, Zullo told WND Friday that Fuddys death she was the only fatality among nine people aboard a small airplane that crashed off the coast of Molokai appears to be a tragic accident, not foul play.
He said his investigation does not depend on any information from Fuddy.
In an interview today with author and talk-radio host Carl Gallups of PPSimmons News and Ministry Network and the author of The Magic Man in the Sky, and the new The Rabbi who Found Messiah, Zullo said his investigation of the Obama fraud case does not hinge on Ms. Fuddy.
While her death certainly is a tragedy, it in no way hampers our investigation in this matter, he said. If people truly believe that her untimely demise was somehow related to an attempt to silence her for what she may or may not know, then there are several more people in Hawaii who should be very, very concerned.
Again, I want to emphasize, Zullo said, Sheriff Arpaio and I do not, at this time, believe her death was connected to any nefarious circumstances.
The birth certificate dispute dates back to before the 2008 e******n. Critics, including Hillary Clinton, raised the issue about Obamas status as a natural-born citizen. Not defined in the Constitution, it probably was thought at the time of the writing of the Constitution to be someone born of two citizen parents.
Obama fails that test because his father was a Kenyan student visiting the U.S.
Arpaio assigned his Cold Case Posse to look into the issue before the 2012 e******n, when constituents approached him and asked him to check whether Obama would be an ineligible candidate on the p**********l e******n b****t.
In a recent radio interview with Gallups, Zullo affirmed the investigation had been expanded to the county sheriffs office and was moving in a direction that was not anticipated by us.
The whole [issue] is more nefarious than you can imagine, Zullo said, crediting Arpaio for ordering the investigation and sticking with it.
He knows in his gut that something is wrong, Zullo said.
Dozens of lawsuits have been filed without success. One case is pending before the Alabama Supreme Court for which Zullo provided evidence.
Still a live issue
Zullo has testified that the White House computer image of Obamas birth certificate contains anomalies that are unexplainable unless the document had been fabricated piecemeal by human intervention, rather than being copied from a genuine paper document.
Mr. Obama has, in fact, not offered any verifiable authoritative document of any legal significance or possessing any evidentiary value as to the origins of his purported birth narrative or location of the birth event, he explained. One of our most serious concerns is that the White House document appears to have been fabricated piecemeal on a computer, constructed by drawing together digitized data from several unknown sources.
Zullo also has noted that the governor of Hawaii was unable to produce an original birth document for Obama, and it should have been easy to find.
More recently, Grace Vuoto of the World Tribune reported that among the experts challenging the birth certificate is certified document analyst Reed Hayes, who has served as an expert for Perkins Coie, the law firm that has been defending Obama in eligibility cases.
We have obtained an affidavit from a certified document analyzer, Reed Hayes, that states the document is a 100 percent forgery, no doubt about it, Zullo told the World Tribune.
Mr. Obamas operatives cannot discredit [Hayes], the investigator told the news outlet. Mr. Hayes has been used as the firms reliable expert. The very firm the president is using to defend him on the birth certificate case has used Mr. Hayes in their cases.
The Tribune reported Hayes agreed to take a look at the documentation and called almost immediately.
There is something wrong with this, Hayes said.
Hayes produced a 40-page report in which he says based on my observations and findings, it is clear that the Certificate of Live Birth I examined is not a scan of an original paper birth certificate, but a digitally manufactured document created by utilizing material from various sources.
In over 20 years of examining documentation of various types, I have never seen a document that is so seriously questionable in so many respects. In my opinion, the birth certificate is entirely fabricated, he says in the report.
Investigator Douglas J. Hagmann of the Northeast Intelligence Network reported this month that in October an affidavit was filed in a court case, under seal, that purportedly identifies the creator of the Obama birth certificate.
He said Douglas Vogt, an author and the owner and operator of a scanning business who also has an accounting background, invested over two years in an investigation of the authenticity of document.
Vogt, along with veteran typesetter Paul Ivey, conducted exhaustive research of the document provided to the White House Press Corps on April 27, 2011 not the online PDF, a critical distinction that must be understood, Hagmann said.
Using their combined experience of 80 years in this realm, they conducted extensive examinations of the copy that was used as the basis for the PDF document. They acquired the same type of equipment that was used back in the late 1950s and early 1960s in an attempt to recreate the document presented as an authenticated copy proving the legitimacy of Barack Obama. Instead, they found 20 points of forgery on that document and detail each point of forgery in the affidavit, wrote Hagmann.
Even more interesting, Mr. Vogt claims to have identified the signature of the perpetrator, or the woman who created the forged document, hidden within the document itself. Her identity, in addition to the identity of other conspirators and their precise methods are contained in a sealed document supplementing the public affidavit.
Grounds for impeachment
Last month, WND columnist Christopher Monckton wrote that the controversy he calls Hawaiigate should be the central ground of impeachment.
First, the dishonesty is shameless and in your face. Mr Obamas advisers, once they realized the birth certificate was as bogus as a $3 bill, knew that if they simply went on pretending that $3 bills are legal tender the hard-left-dominated news media would carefully and continuously look the other way, pausing occasionally to sneer at anyone who pointed out that, in this constitutionally crucial respect, the president has no clothes, Monckton wrote.
Secondly, not one of the numerous agencies of state, as well as federal government, whose duty was and is to investigate the Mickey-Mouse birth certificate has bothered even to respond to the thousands of requests for investigation put forward by U.S. citizens.
He said that in Hawaii last year, he watched as a senior former state senator called the police and, when they came, handed over to them compelling evidence that the birth certificate had been forged.
The police, correctly, passed the file to the states attorney general, a Democrat, who did nothing about it, he said.
In Washington, D.C., I watched as a concerned citizen from Texas telephoned the FBI and reported the birth certificate as being a forgery. They said they would send two agents to see him within the hour. No one came.
You tell me about eligibility
One of the highest profile skeptics has been billionaire Donald Trump.
Trump said he cant be certain that Obama is eligible to be president, and he pointedly noted that a reporter who was poking fun at the issue admitted he cant, either.
Trump repeatedly has insisted Obama has not documented his eligibility. At one point, he offered $5 million to the charity or charities of Obamas choice if he would release his passport records and authorize the colleges he attended to release his applications and other records.
Trump argues that those documents would show whether or not Obama ever accepted scholarship or other aid as a foreign student, which could preclude him from being a natural-born citizen.
Trumps conversation with ABCs Jonathan Karl started with Karl noting that Trump took on the not serious issue of eligibility.
Why does that make me not serious? Trump demanded. I think that resonated with a lot of people.
Karl replied: You dont still question he was born in the United States, do you?
I have no idea, Trump said. I dont know. Was there a birth certificate? You tell me. You know some people say that was not his birth certificate. Im saying I dont know. Nobody knows, and you dont know either. Jonathan youre a smart guy, and you dont know.
When Karl admitted he was pretty sure, Trump jumped on the statement.
You just said youre pretty sure you have to be 100 percent sure, he said. Jonathan, you said youre pretty convinced, so lets just see what happens over time.
Among the many records the Obama camp has refused to release are the marriage license of his father (Barack Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham), name change records (Barry Soetero to Barack Hussein Obama), adoption records, records of his and his mothers repatriation as U.S. citizens from Indonesia, baptism records, Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii) records, Punahou School financial aid or school records, Occidental College financial aid records, Harvard Law School records, Columbia senior thesis, Columbia College records, record with Illinois State Bar Association, files from his terms as an Illinois state senator, his law client list, medical records and passport records.
Monckton, citing Zullos sworn affidavit in a court case, published a sworn mathematical analysis demonstrating the near-zero probability that the White House birth certificate is genuine.
Dec 15, 2013 08:40:24 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Nuclearian wrote:
The lead investigator in Sheriff Joe Arpaios Cold Case Posse investigation of President Obamas birth certificate says the case has taken a startling turn, and sheriffs investigators now are assisting the Cold Case volunteers.
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You may not get many comments, as this is already an active thread.
Dec 15, 2013 08:52:16 #
ginnyt wrote:
You may not get many comments, as this is already an active thread.
Hmm. Wasted time then.
Dec 15, 2013 09:59:51 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Nuclearian wrote:
Hmm. Wasted time then.
No, just go join the other thread. Some interesting perspectives; you will enjoy reading some of them! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Dec 15, 2013 09:59:51 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Nuclearian wrote:
Hmm. Wasted time then.
No, just go join the other thread. Some interesting perspectives; you will enjoy reading some of them! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Dec 15, 2013 10:23:58 #
Something very fishy if Obama is refusing to release various records. Seems like he had nothing to hide, he would be glad to vindicate himself. I'm with Sheriff Joe, he is probably illegally in office, the same as his uncle, aunt, and the millions of illegal-invaders are illegally in our country.
Dec 15, 2013 11:23:21 #
I remember dan rather and Martha mapes were fired for pushing a forged document about George bush, but the same media outlets,print,hollywood, and acadamia,refuse to hear anything about Obama.This whole mess will continue because too many people risk losing food stamps,welfare, ect.couple all that with low info. types and you can bet that nothing will change until Obama is out.
Dec 15, 2013 12:57:50 #
Nuclearian wrote:
Hmm. Wasted time then.
NEVER! Each and every copy/repetition is VALUABLE!
T***H in news these days is all-but nonexistent, especially and specifically via Lying Stream Media in both print and electronic. Faux News and all the rest of their glorified Kommrades continually used the baby photo of Travon rather than the stained teeth, tatooed, gangbanger he was when George Zimmerman rightly sent him over the Great Divide; for ONE prime example.
Enter ILLEGAL Obastard & Kommrade GPOGPs (God-Player-On-Government-Payroll) and the Lying Stream Media has a field day covering up for those knowing T*****RS who SHOULD be d**gging the Bastards That Be into court for their HIGH CRIMES and HIGH TREASONS and can't lest they BOTH find themselves in the same jail cells.
This ILLEGAL 'president' is, and will remain, an a*********n upon the Soul of the United States until it is purged in blood. Why "blood?" ... because JUSTICE nor proper LAW ENFORCEMENT exists anywhere in this Nation! Civilized application and enforcement of TRUE law is nonexistent and that FACT is Testimony AGAINST the perpetrators. All of them ....
I wish it weren't true: Our Nation, Constitution and Bill of Rights will be restored the same way they were established. The only differences will be quality of powder, caliber of shot, and numbers of dead and injured. YES! You may quote me!
Dec 15, 2013 13:38:15 #
ElAku wrote:
NEVER! Each and every copy/repetition is VALUABLE... (show quote)
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Dec 15, 2013 13:51:16 #
The big O simply goes on the ofinsive, making statement about people with nothing to hide, hahaha then simply ignores the rest hoping to stir the pot, then your attention is altered to other things. Then he gets away with much more. Do you get what i am trying to say.
Dec 15, 2013 14:50:40 #
Nuclearian wrote:
Hmm. Wasted time then.
Not really....maybe the news coming up this March will include evidence of his real pappy.
http://www.obamasrealfather.com/frank-marshall-davis/
Dec 15, 2013 15:24:00 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
Nuclearian wrote:
The lead investigator in Sheriff Joe Arpaios Cold... (show quote)
Now why on Earth would someone forge a certificate of live birth, on the day of the birth? All this speculation is not only redundant, it's ridiculous.
Dec 15, 2013 15:40:56 #
lpnmajor wrote:
Now why on Earth would someone forge a certificate of live birth, on the day of the birth? All this speculation is not only redundant, it's ridiculous.
So...you're an expert?
I would tend to believe a REAL expert like Reed Hayes as opposed to a "ridiculous" commenter like yourself.
http://www.storyleak.com/obama-birth-certificate-confirmed-forgery-according-top-experts/
Dec 15, 2013 19:56:57 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
bdamage wrote:
So...you're an expert?
I would tend to believe a REAL expert like Reed Hayes as opposed to a "ridiculous" commenter like yourself.
http://www.storyleak.com/obama-birth-certificate-confirmed-forgery-according-top-experts/
I would tend to believe a REAL expert like Reed Hayes as opposed to a "ridiculous" commenter like yourself.
http://www.storyleak.com/obama-birth-certificate-confirmed-forgery-according-top-experts/
Hayes is a doofus looking for notoriety. You have no idea what kind of expert I am.
Dec 15, 2013 20:22:03 #
lpnmajor wrote:
Hayes is a doofus looking for notoriety. You have no idea what kind of expert I am.
"Speculation", "redundant", and "ridiculous" do not much imply that you are much of an expert.
My buddy, who happens to be black and born in 1962 showed me his birth certificate and it clearly stated that his mother's race was "Negro", his father's race "Negro". Did you even look at the forgery?
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