How will tax cuts for the wealthy benefit all Americans ? (Page 19): No we are headed there because of the inequities built up in our economic system Obama did not bring hoe or change...

Nickolai

America Only wrote:

Very true. That was what happened when Bush was in office, he had to live with the damage from the past that the mortgage and investment industry create from millions and millions of bad loans to the poor. It created 80% of what took down Wall Street, and we are heading there again due to Obama's policies and agendas.

No we are headed there because of the inequities built up in our economic system Obama did not bring hoe or change he's just been carrying water for the big banks

Nickolai

America Only wrote:

Your brain has not functioned normally for a long ... (show quote)

I worked in a non union machine shop it was the pits. 10 hrs per day with a five min coffey break and 25 min for lunch and don't get caught looking up from the work and if you get one machine going start another and then another no time for breathing It was a sweat shop. My father in law worked at Fords Rouge plant in Michigan in the mid 1930's when ford workers had to do the work of two men and spies circulated amongst the men looking for union organizers while hired thugs patrolled the parking lots busting the heads of union organizers. He was so insecure working in private enterprise he quit an auto mechanics job to go to work at the Navel Supply base in Alameda California where he won awards for innovation

Nickolai

Homestead wrote:

You need to read your history and stop making it up.

Even after he taught them how to plant, the pilgrims still starved.

It wasn't until they were given their own land and were told that they could keep what they grew, did the starvation stop.

Yeah that's what I read on right wing sitesbut the fact is they did not give up communal land until 1623 two years later. That's a long time and a lot of starving

Nickolai

Super Dave wrote:

Did you see how much more they would have spent if all of the employees were unemployed?

You can piss and moan that Walmart isn't holding up the entire economy on it's own, or you can do something about it.. Why don't you take just one of those employees and give them a better job?

I don't patronize Wall-Mart any more. The Walton heirs pocket around 15 billion dollars in profit every year they don't need my business

PeterS

Super Dave wrote:

Hey Rocketsurgeon...

Remember when Obama extended the Bush tax cuts to avoid the tax increase because he didn't want the economy to tank just before the midterm e******n?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121606200.html

I thought conservatives considered Obama the worst president ever? Why would you hold his actions up as if they were a benchmark? Besides, the question at hand was tax cuts and revenue growth not tax increases coming out of a recession. Revenue growth 2011 over 2010 was just over 6% and 2014 over 2013, when taxes were increased was 13.7%. One other point, in 2002, Bushs first budget, revenue stood at 1,853 and in 2009, bushs last budget, stood at 2,105 for a YoY of just 1.7%--this coming off a period under Clinton where we averaged just over 8% per year. Under Obama revenue growth has been 7.1% with only 6 years of data available. So again, cutting taxes decreases revenue growth. It did under Reagan, Bush, and there is no doubt it will under Trump. If cutting taxes actually caused revenue to 'grow' democrats would be the the ones pushing for them. After all, more revenue means more government. For them it would be a win win....

Nickolai

Richard94611 wrote:

Telling these ignorant conservative deniers facts such as you have described doesn't matter to them. They are impervious to facts, and they want simple answers to all questions. They cannot admit that existence is complex.

Your saying a mouthful. I've said many times their minds are made of kryptonite impervious to facts, evidence, or history they prefer fantasy and irrationality

Nickolai

Richard94611 wrote:

Nikolai, you're confusing them with facts.

I'm know they are getting more and more confused but they like it

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Nickolai wrote:

My union never did that the employer had the right to fire any employee that did not produce. Slackers were the first to be fired and quickly. I worked 26 years as an employee and 20 years as an employer the last 8 years as a non union employer because the big developers successfully busted the unions that I was signatory to Carpenters and Painters unions

I was in the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners Local 190. We were dispatched to employers who expected us to bust ass and do quality work. Any man who under preformed was sent back to the hall. As an apprentice I was told " don't pick up two 2x4s and walk with them pickup 5 and run with them."

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Nickolai wrote:

I worked in a non union machine shop it was the pi... (show quote)

In case your brain has stopped all the way...1930 was ONE HELL OF A LONG TIME AGO....wake the hell up! From 1978 til present date, UNIONS have DESTROYED not HELPED!

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Coos Bay Tom wrote:

I was in the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners Local 190. We were dispatched to employers who expected us to bust ass and do quality work. Any man who under preformed was sent back to the hall. As an apprentice I was told " don't pick up two 2x4s and walk with them pickup 5 and run with them."

I am sure that is the case and I am positive you always say it like it is. BUT I can take you into large shops....shops that have 6,000 employees a shift...and that have 2,900 vendors inside their shops 24/7 and the older "union" members sleep all day long in large electrical control panel cabinets that have nothing mounted inside of them....that union members actually build a "privacy" crate for themselves also to sleep in...that if anyone says anything about it, the unions would strike...union members sit playing cards making other people wait for a job order to be filled....the vendors are all forced to be "union" and get paid NOTHING compared to the in house union members that all make a minimal of 36.00 a hour starting wage...the vendor employees are $9.80 an hour and do exactly the same work as the in house union members..a vendor employee is instructed to mount a electrical wiring box on the outside of a engine in a large metal housing that turns at a station to machine the inside of a t***smission.BUT the vendor employee has to wait for the card game to finish so that the in house union member can open the tooling room and provide the vendor employee with the drill and mounting hardware which he has to wait for HOURS to get...it goes on in so many ways and that is in just one shop....it is like that is many of the larger shops....so please...don't brag up about frigging unions...they served a purpose once...and now destroy more than anything else.

We have almost lost our US Postal Service thanks to Unions....

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Nickolai wrote:

I don't patronize Wall-Mart any more. The Walton heirs pocket around 15 billion dollars in profit every year they don't need my business

It is hard for you to get from your "Old Folks Home" to Wally World is it? Perhaps you need to ask them for that "door greeter" job they have.....

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Nickolai wrote:

I worked in a non union machine shop it was the pi... (show quote)

The History of some Garbage Disposing Companies within the Unions in Chicago and New York and Detroit...all ran the smaller independent companies out of town...the Union Goons even made threats to the families of the smaller company ownership, one by one they folded. WHY? Unions Goons. Ford Rouge Plant in the 1970's...a union member could sit and smoke a BONG filled with weed and not one thing would be said about it. And people wonder why the hell a car cost so much today....UNIONS! UNIONS! UNIONS!

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

PeterS wrote:

There was a time when GM was the largest employer in this country providing a middle income job to every person who worked in their factories. Today Walmart is our largest employer and one could work three of their jobs and still not be middle income. Republicans have spent decades trying to destroy unions in this country and in doing so you have destroyed the principle force that drives up wages. Couple that with your attempt to destroy minimum wage and only at full employment is there now enough of a labor shortage to drive up wages. The problem with that is that any time an economy reaches full employment it's at the end of a business cycle and the ensuing recession destroys any gains that may have been made.

It's not that Walmart doesn't hold up their end but that conservatives don't hold up their end and would rather see a Walmart as our largest employer than a GM. You guys have worked against the middle class in this country for decades and you continue to do it now. We have a middle class in this country only because of unions and it's no surprise that as unions have disappeared so has the middle class.

As for hiring Walmart workers it isn't hard to create a business model that provides a living wage. Sam Walton did and it wasn't until he turned it over to his children that Walmart turned into what it was today. I got my MBA in 83 and Walmart was regarded as one of the best employers in the nation paying associates a decent wage and offering honest to god stock options. The result is that when you walked into a Walmart in the 80's you would have Walmart workers falling all over themselves trying to help you. Today if you ask for help they look right through you as if you weren't even there. You get what you pay for and in Walmart it isn't service.

That's the world you've worked so hard to bring into futrition. Your loathing of unions has brought the middle class in this country to its knees. And you think Trump can change that? Hell, he won't even bring back his own businesses to this country--what makes you think he can bring anyone elses...

There was a time when GM was the largest employer ... (show quote)

Buttmunch... Democrats ran every aspect of Michigan during the time GM went from king to insolvent. Democrats put the Unions in charge. Democrats got the Union's payoffs. The Union thugs only intimidate people to support Democrats. There were no Republicans statewide, and almost none at all in Michigan during this time.

And BTW, a Democrat propped up Walmart to begin with.

The Amazing consistencies from you Democrats is 'Failure' and 'Lack of Responsibility'.

Richard94611

SuperDave is a wingnut enthusiast. To him, everything on the web is like making sausage. It just gets ground up beyond recognitition in his brain and gets spewed out a mess at the other end.

Nickolai wrote:

It's history man, don't you read history books ? Or do you just regurgitate what you read on wing nut sites. I read that s**t too but don't take it seriously

roy

America Only wrote:

The History of some Garbage Disposing Companies wi... (show quote)

Why do cars and trucks made in mexico cost so much,with workers making 3.50 or less most living in cardboard boxes outside factoys ?