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Dec 4, 2013 14:08:35   #
jay-are
 
rhomin57 wrote:
Repent means a change of heart on something you realize through Jesus Christ- is a sin you have committed.
It is not a game, it is not surface material to understand with just the mind. It is a change within the core of your human self. A different and higher understanding of the situation as a whole, to repent of your part in it, as well as making amends, if any can be, to the one you sinned against. That there done, is enough to keep you from doing it again.
Keep your snide remarks to yourself, I can maturely communicate scripture without them.
Repent means a change of heart on something you re... (show quote)

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lpnmajor wrote:
Repentance means recognizing the sin AND taking steps to prevent a repeat. It's not a "get out of hell" free card.

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As I read these two definitions of "repent," it looks to me like they are both the same.

recognizing sin - is the same as - change of heart

a change within the core of your human self - is the same as - taking steps to prevent a repeat

I don't understand why Rhomin57 is upset with what lpnmajor wrote.

I saw what lpnmajor wrote and agreed with it immediately.
Then I read Rhomin57's definition and agreed with it, and was shocked when I got to the end and saw Rhomin57 lash out with the snide remarks comment. How can it be a snide remark to agree with you?

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Dec 4, 2013 15:41:31   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
When I speak or write about our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Great Sacrifice he made for all of us, I'm very reverent in heart, and don't associate it with stupidness.
You can recognize sin with just your own mindset JR, and no doubt do it again. What I wrote takes it inward to your core as a person. What ever your foundation in life is built upon, is how you will live conscience of it or not. Did your parents or those who raised you Drink, Fight, Divorse, Pass away early, Etc? Then your Foundation needs fixing before arguing scripture with me.
What you guys want to do is argue, who knows better about what, and that is not what I'm doing in this section. Go measure up against each other and leave me out of it. JAY-ARE



jay-are wrote:
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lpnmajor wrote:
Repentance means recognizing the sin AND taking steps to prevent a repeat. It's not a "get out of hell" free card.

_________________________________________

As I read these two definitions of "repent," it looks to me like they are both the same.

recognizing sin - is the same as - change of heart

a change within the core of your human self - is the same as - taking steps to prevent a repeat

I don't understand why Rhomin57 is upset with what lpnmajor wrote.

I saw what lpnmajor wrote and agreed with it immediately.
Then I read Rhomin57's definition and agreed with it, and was shocked when I got to the end and saw Rhomin57 lash out with the snide remarks comment. How can it be a snide remark to agree with you?
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Dec 4, 2013 16:55:46   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
jay-are wrote:
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lpnmajor wrote:
Repentance means recognizing the sin AND taking steps to prevent a repeat. It's not a "get out of hell" free card.

_________________________________________

As I read these two definitions of "repent," it looks to me like they are both the same.

recognizing sin - is the same as - change of heart

a change within the core of your human self - is the same as - taking steps to prevent a repeat

I don't understand why Rhomin57 is upset with what lpnmajor wrote.

I saw what lpnmajor wrote and agreed with it immediately.
Then I read Rhomin57's definition and agreed with it, and was shocked when I got to the end and saw Rhomin57 lash out with the snide remarks comment. How can it be a snide remark to agree with you?
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Because if you don't agree with him word for word, you are disrespecting Jesus. He is the ONLY one who truly understands the scriptures. The rest of us are Godless knaves. I am profoundly glad that God is not so bigoted.

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Dec 4, 2013 17:15:16   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Because if you don't agree with him word for word, you are disrespecting Jesus. He is the ONLY one who truly understands the scriptures. The rest of us are Godless knaves. I am profoundly glad that God is not so bigoted.


Usual emotional rhetoric, twist the words of those that disagree.

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Dec 4, 2013 17:23:26   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Usual emotional rhetoric, twist the words of those that disagree.


I twisted nothing. As usual you butt in to a conversation just to stir something up. Not this time September greatrectumn.

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Dec 4, 2013 17:46:52   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I twisted nothing. As usual you butt in to a conversation just to stir something up. Not this time September greatrectumn.


What you claimed is Rhomin57's expression of belief is a claim to omnipotence.

You act like a spoilt ten year old.

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Dec 4, 2013 17:51:32   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
What you claimed is Rhomin57's expression of belief is a claim to omnipotence.

You act like a spoilt ten year old.


I did not say he was impotent. I wouldn't know.

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Dec 4, 2013 18:15:04   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I did not say he was impotent. I wouldn't know.


Childish.

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Dec 4, 2013 18:41:31   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
rumitoid wrote:
Altruism: . 1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others or dev**ed to the welfare of others; selflessness.

Is it possible to be actually "selfless"?

The Tao says this: "Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness."
Jesus says this: "Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."
Janis sings this: "It ain't nothin' if it ain't free, babe."

What is sacrifice without the small or large sting of sacrifice? For it not to be a sacrifice on any level is to be selfless. Can it be done? If so, how could a person come to this state of being? Or is it better called as a state of non-being?

Do you agree with this statement from Psychology Today:
"Altruistic acts are self-interested, if not because they relieve anxiety, then perhaps because they lead to pleasant feelings of p***e and satisfaction; the expectation of honor or reciprocation; or the greater likelihood of a place in heaven; and even if neither of the above, then at least because they relieve unpleasant feelings such as the guilt or shame of not having acted at all."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/does-true-altruism-exist

Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity all assert that achieving a state of actual "selflessness" is not only possible but our one purpose in life. Mystics of every faith believe in and are dedicated to this end. For them it is called "at-one-ment": total union with the Supreme Being.

Here is where this spiritual state of At-one-ment ismentioned in Scripture: (Jn14:20, 15:4-7, 17:26; Rom8:9-10; 1Cor6:17; 2Cor1:21, 5:17, 21; Eph4:13; Col1:27, 3:3; 1Jn2:24, 4:16).

When Jesus said "Love you neighbor as yourself" this was to be taken as literally true: your neighbor is yourself, and so is your enemy. To feed the hungry is not charity, just as fixing oneself a nice breakfast is not charity. We are not giving anything, there is no sacrifice: it is simply what we do out of self-care.

What do you think?
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Perhaps it is just me having ADD; however, was it REALLY and TRULY necessary to throw so much out there? Have you no way to accomplish these questions with "bullet" points (preferably 45 caliber)?

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Dec 4, 2013 20:03:19   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
AuntiE wrote:
Perhaps it is just me having ADD; however, was it REALLY and TRULY necessary to throw so much out there? Have you no way to accomplish these questions with "bullet" points (preferably 45 caliber)?


:thumbup: :lol:

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Dec 5, 2013 08:50:17   #
jay-are
 
rhomin57 wrote:
When I speak or write about our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Great Sacrifice he made for all of us, I'm very reverent in heart, and don't associate it with stupidness.
You can recognize sin with just your own mindset JR, and no doubt do it again. What I wrote takes it inward to your core as a person. What ever your foundation in life is built upon, is how you will live conscience of it or not. Did your parents or those who raised you Drink, Fight, Divorse, Pass away early, Etc? Then your Foundation needs fixing before arguing scripture with me.
What you guys want to do is argue, who knows better about what, and that is not what I'm doing in this section. Go measure up against each other and leave me out of it. JAY-ARE
When I speak or write about our Lord Jesus Christ,... (show quote)



lpnmajor wrote:
Repentance means recognizing the sin AND taking steps to prevent a repeat. It's not a "get out of hell" free card.


Rhomin57,
Again you wrote, "What I wrote takes it inward to your core as a person."

I still say "taking steps to prevent a repeat" is the same thing.

To prevent a repeat, the decision must come from your very core as a person.

lpnmajor is agreeing with you, not making snide remarks about your post.

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Dec 5, 2013 11:40:16   #
rumitoid
 
AuntiE wrote:
Perhaps it is just me having ADD; however, was it REALLY and TRULY necessary to throw so much out there? Have you no way to accomplish these questions with "bullet" points (preferably 45 caliber)?


For me, each of those bullets present a necessary piece for consideration, and one of these bullets to the brain will bring comprehension. There is no other way.

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Dec 5, 2013 11:52:51   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
rumitoid wrote:
For me, each of those bullets present a necessary piece for consideration, and one of these bullets to the brain will bring comprehension. There is no other way.


Perhaps it is just me (probably); however, it seems you have us running through a Forrest, around bushes, etc. to reach a point. The pyshcology today reference is a standalone forum unto itself. The initial three or four points are a standalone forum unto themselves. You have us racing through Biblical references, which, again, could be a standalone forum.

It is a worthwhile endeavor to have us studying each of the references; however, by the time one finishes reading everything, exhaustion has set in and posting commentary is too much.

I would ask you not take this as an assailment. Just my meager thoughts.

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Dec 5, 2013 11:55:41   #
rumitoid
 
rhomin57 wrote:
Atonement: Holy Bible, the act of making an atonement for sin.

In the OT, this is what the Levitical Priesthood did by sacrificing all those animals. They were making atonement for the sins of the people. This is mentioned described and discussed amost a hundred times in OT. Then, in NT, Jesus Christ was the ultimate Atonement for sin. What we do now on this side of the timeline, is fully believe in that act, and repent when our Conscience is feeling guilty over a sin.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." Romans 5:11. Thanks for deferring any readers I could have had!
Atonement: Holy Bible, the act of making an atonem... (show quote)


Part of atonement is to "turn, and become as a little child." As a liittle child, we love the father with ALL our heart, mind, soul, and strength, depending on him for direction and guidance in all of our affairs; we will thus partake of the divine and be at-one with God's will. This is part of being hidden in Christ, as scripture demands: we in him, he in us and all in the father: at-one.

Grace and the Holy Spirit will then allow us "to take no thought for our lives, what we may eat or drink." No longer I, but Christ in me.

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Dec 6, 2013 10:54:33   #
rumitoid
 
rumitoid wrote:
Part of atonement is to "turn, and become as a little child." As a liittle child, we love the father with ALL our heart, mind, soul, and strength, depending on him for direction and guidance in all of our affairs; we will thus partake of the divine and be at-one with God's will. This is part of being hidden in Christ, as scripture demands: we in him, he in us and all in the father: at-one.

Grace and the Holy Spirit will then allow us "to take no thought for our lives, what we may eat or drink." No longer I, but Christ in me.
Part of atonement is to "turn, and become as ... (show quote)


Selflessness can best be defined as the perfect mindfulness of love granted by grace and the power of the Holy Spirit.

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