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Dec 3, 2013 11:31:25   #
rumitoid
 
Altruism: . 1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others or devoted to the welfare of others; selflessness.

Is it possible to be actually "selfless"?

The Tao says this: "Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness."
Jesus says this: "Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."
Janis sings this: "It ain't nothin' if it ain't free, babe."

What is sacrifice without the small or large sting of sacrifice? For it not to be a sacrifice on any level is to be selfless. Can it be done? If so, how could a person come to this state of being? Or is it better called as a state of non-being?

Do you agree with this statement from Psychology Today:
"Altruistic acts are self-interested, if not because they relieve anxiety, then perhaps because they lead to pleasant feelings of pride and satisfaction; the expectation of honor or reciprocation; or the greater likelihood of a place in heaven; and even if neither of the above, then at least because they relieve unpleasant feelings such as the guilt or shame of not having acted at all."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/does-true-altruism-exist

Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity all assert that achieving a state of actual "selflessness" is not only possible but our one purpose in life. Mystics of every faith believe in and are dedicated to this end. For them it is called "at-one-ment": total union with the Supreme Being.

Here is where this spiritual state of At-one-ment ismentioned in Scripture: (Jn14:20, 15:4-7, 17:26; Rom8:9-10; 1Cor6:17; 2Cor1:21, 5:17, 21; Eph4:13; Col1:27, 3:3; 1Jn2:24, 4:16).

When Jesus said "Love you neighbor as yourself" this was to be taken as literally true: your neighbor is yourself, and so is your enemy. To feed the hungry is not charity, just as fixing oneself a nice breakfast is not charity. We are not giving anything, there is no sacrifice: it is simply what we do out of self-care.

What do you think?

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Dec 3, 2013 14:59:02   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
rumitoid wrote:
Altruism: . 1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others or devoted to the welfare of others; selflessness.

Is it possible to be actually "selfless"?

The Tao says this: "Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness."
Jesus says this: "Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."
Janis sings this: "It ain't nothin' if it ain't free, babe."

What is sacrifice without the small or large sting of sacrifice? For it not to be a sacrifice on any level is to be selfless. Can it be done? If so, how could a person come to this state of being? Or is it better called as a state of non-being?

Do you agree with this statement from Psychology Today:
"Altruistic acts are self-interested, if not because they relieve anxiety, then perhaps because they lead to pleasant feelings of pride and satisfaction; the expectation of honor or reciprocation; or the greater likelihood of a place in heaven; and even if neither of the above, then at least because they relieve unpleasant feelings such as the guilt or shame of not having acted at all."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/does-true-altruism-exist

Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity all assert that achieving a state of actual "selflessness" is not only possible but our one purpose in life. Mystics of every faith believe in and are dedicated to this end. For them it is called "at-one-ment": total union with the Supreme Being.

Here is where this spiritual state of At-one-ment ismentioned in Scripture: (Jn14:20, 15:4-7, 17:26; Rom8:9-10; 1Cor6:17; 2Cor1:21, 5:17, 21; Eph4:13; Col1:27, 3:3; 1Jn2:24, 4:16).

When Jesus said "Love you neighbor as yourself" this was to be taken as literally true: your neighbor is yourself, and so is your enemy. To feed the hungry is not charity, just as fixing oneself a nice breakfast is not charity. We are not giving anything, there is no sacrifice: it is simply what we do out of self-care.

What do you think?
Altruism: . 1. Unselfish concern for the welfare o... (show quote)


It IS possible but it requires hard work, self honesty and some one trusted to examine your motives. Too complicated for most people. The appearance of altruism is enough for them.

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Dec 3, 2013 17:59:16   #
jay-are
 
rumitoid wrote:
Altruism: . 1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others or devoted to the welfare of others; selflessness.

Is it possible to be actually "selfless"?

The Tao says this: "Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness."
Jesus says this: "Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."
Janis sings this: "It ain't nothin' if it ain't free, babe."

What do you think?


This is just as possible as it is for everybody to be on welfare, and be given what they need by the government. If everybody did that, we would all be in "equality nirvana," but unless God sends down the manna from the clouds, we would all starve to death eventually.

If we were all selfless, we would all die eventually from failure to provide for our own needs.

Remember, on the airplane, the flight attendant tells you to put on your own oxygen mask first before helping your kid put on his/her mask. If you try to help the kid first, out of a sense of selflessness, chances are you will both die.

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Dec 3, 2013 18:33:19   #
rumitoid
 
jay-are wrote:
This is just as possible as it is for everybody to be on welfare, and be given what they need by the government. If everybody did that, we would all be in "equality nirvana," but unless God sends down the manna from the clouds, we would all starve to death eventually.

If we were all selfless, we would all die eventually from failure to provide for our own needs.

Remember, on the airplane, the flight attendant tells you to put on your own oxygen mask first before helping your kid put on his/her mask. If you try to help the kid first, out of a sense of selflessness, chances are you will both die.
This is just as possible as it is for everybody to... (show quote)


Perhaps you need to re-read my opening post.

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Dec 3, 2013 18:39:05   #
jay-are
 
rumitoid wrote:
Perhaps you need to re-read my opening post.


My post can stand as written. You asked what do I think, and I wrote what I think.

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Dec 3, 2013 19:11:29   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
jay-are wrote:
This is just as possible as it is for everybody to be on welfare, and be given what they need by the government. If everybody did that, we would all be in "equality nirvana," but unless God sends down the manna from the clouds, we would all starve to death eventually.

If we were all selfless, we would all die eventually from failure to provide for our own needs.

Remember, on the airplane, the flight attendant tells you to put on your own oxygen mask first before helping your kid put on his/her mask. If you try to help the kid first, out of a sense of selflessness, chances are you will both die.
This is just as possible as it is for everybody to... (show quote)


Then do so, Show us your commitment.

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Dec 3, 2013 19:45:02   #
rumitoid
 
jay-are wrote:
My post can stand as written. You asked what do I think, and I wrote what I think.


Okay, then I feel free to examine some points you may have overlooked. I will go through your initial response point-by-point.

Jay-are:
1) "This is just as possible as it is for everybody to be on welfare, and be given what they need by the government. If everybody did that, we would all be in "equality nirvana," but unless God sends down the manna from the clouds, we would all starve to death eventually."

I am at a lost, frankly, as to how to respond to this comment. What I read in this scenario you offer is utter selfishness. People taking, not giving. How does that apply to selflessness? This Thread does have incidental political implicatiions but it is not directly political in nature. Being on welfare is hardly selfless.

2) "If we were all selfless, we would all die eventually from failure to provide for our own needs.

"Love your neighbor as yourself." Selfless does not mean being completely stupid or lacking in self-care, as these words from scripture clearly indicate: "...as yourself." Love does not overlook needs. And you appear to have overlooked the spiritual state of at-one-ment. Selflessness means being other-centered but that is impossible if we fail to eat and drink.

3) "Remember, on the airplane, the flight attendant tells you to put on your own oxygen mask first before helping your kid put on his/her mask. If you try to help the kid first, out of a sense of selflessness, chances are you will both die."

This is a false assumption: true selflessness would understand what is best for another, and in that situation of the oxygen mask with an innocent child, ignorant of the situation and dependent upon knowledgeable adults, it would be natural to take the mask first.

If you would, respond to the scripture provided.

Interesting that you brought up the situation of the oxygen mask. Back in 1986, on a trip home to visit my daughter, the plastic instructions in the pocket of the seat in front of me saying what to do if the cabin should decompress, reading them just to pass time until liftoff, were an ephiany. I was sober a little over two years and still did not quite get we had to do this non-drinking for ourselves. The phrase "It is a selfish program" still bothered me.
There is a paradox here that the literal mind will never grasp with its black and white thinking.

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Dec 4, 2013 01:03:30   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Psych Today comment is just the way it is because the doer gets a reward of selfish gratification. It doesn't make it bad. There are those who feel no empathy; get no reward for altruism.

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Dec 4, 2013 01:05:24   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
God's Old Testament has had it's scriptures, quotes, sayings, and even names taken from it by men throughout time to rewrite with their own hand and mind to start their own religion, then live in infamy through their followers. It all came from God first to his Hebrews, his chosen. Buddhism began in 600 BC, Islam began in 6 AD, and Mormonism actually began in 600 AD. Anyone see a pattern? Islam took the writing for their Koran from OT, NT, Zorasterism, and anything else they heard about. Then they made their own dictating laws that have always been like a ball and chain around their peoples necks.
The quote "not letting the left hand know what the right hand is doing" does not stand by itself outside of it's scripture content. Jesus Christ is referring to the Good Jewish Priests that stood on the Prophets right hand side, while the Fake and Fraudulent Priests that snuck in of idolatrous nations- stood on the left. This was when the Prophet Nehemia gave the Prayer and Blessing to the newly rebuilt Temple. It was the fraudulent Priests that eventually took over the temple, that had manipulated Jesus Crucifixion. He said "Lambs on the right, Goats on the left." as Prophecy for the war on faith that we struggle with now with Islam, Jesus said: don't let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. Meaning, keep your war strategies quiet towards the enemy, otherwise there is time for them to prepare against you, or strike first.
When Jesus said love thy neighbor as yourself: this simply means:: would you leave your window open knowing that your neighbor is a known theif and will steal from you? Punch yourself in the face knowing that the man or woman your gonna marry is capable of doing the same. Actually this isn't loving yourself, but being a fool for evil.
If you truly love and respect your own person: you-yourself, then you'll know what the Lord means. If you aren't responsible in the care of your own self and life, how can you expect to be of true help to your neighbor.
If you don't know how to love, respect, and be responsible for your own life, then you need to go to New Testament, and reset your foundation of life through it. Many have, and have had to do this.
It is impossible to be totally selfless. If you don't have you, taking care of yourself first (in heart and mind), than you aren't really there to help another.
rumitoid wrote:
Altruism: . 1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others or devoted to the welfare of others; selflessness.

Is it possible to be actually "selfless"?

The Tao says this: "Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness."
Jesus says this: "Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."
Janis sings this: "It ain't nothin' if it ain't free, babe."

What is sacrifice without the small or large sting of sacrifice? For it not to be a sacrifice on any level is to be selfless. Can it be done? If so, how could a person come to this state of being? Or is it better called as a state of non-being?

Do you agree with this statement from Psychology Today:
"Altruistic acts are self-interested, if not because they relieve anxiety, then perhaps because they lead to pleasant feelings of pride and satisfaction; the expectation of honor or reciprocation; or the greater likelihood of a place in heaven; and even if neither of the above, then at least because they relieve unpleasant feelings such as the guilt or shame of not having acted at all."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/does-true-altruism-exist

Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity all assert that achieving a state of actual "selflessness" is not only possible but our one purpose in life. Mystics of every faith believe in and are dedicated to this end. For them it is called "at-one-ment": total union with the Supreme Being.

Here is where this spiritual state of At-one-ment ismentioned in Scripture: (Jn14:20, 15:4-7, 17:26; Rom8:9-10; 1Cor6:17; 2Cor1:21, 5:17, 21; Eph4:13; Col1:27, 3:3; 1Jn2:24, 4:16).

When Jesus said "Love you neighbor as yourself" this was to be taken as literally true: your neighbor is yourself, and so is your enemy. To feed the hungry is not charity, just as fixing oneself a nice breakfast is not charity. We are not giving anything, there is no sacrifice: it is simply what we do out of self-care.

What do you think?
Altruism: . 1. Unselfish concern for the welfare o... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2013 01:23:48   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
Atonement: Holy Bible, the act of making an atonement for sin.

In the OT, this is what the Levitical Priesthood did by sacrificing all those animals. They were making atonement for the sins of the people. This is mentioned described and discussed amost a hundred times in OT. Then, in NT, Jesus Christ was the ultimate Atonement for sin. What we do now on this side of the timeline, is fully believe in that act, and repent when our Conscience is feeling guilty over a sin.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." Romans 5:11. Thanks for deferring any readers I could have had!
rumitoid wrote:
Altruism: . 1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others or devoted to the welfare of others; selflessness.

Is it possible to be actually "selfless"?

The Tao says this: "Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness."
Jesus says this: "Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."
Janis sings this: "It ain't nothin' if it ain't free, babe."

What is sacrifice without the small or large sting of sacrifice? For it not to be a sacrifice on any level is to be selfless. Can it be done? If so, how could a person come to this state of being? Or is it better called as a state of non-being?

Do you agree with this statement from Psychology Today:
"Altruistic acts are self-interested, if not because they relieve anxiety, then perhaps because they lead to pleasant feelings of pride and satisfaction; the expectation of honor or reciprocation; or the greater likelihood of a place in heaven; and even if neither of the above, then at least because they relieve unpleasant feelings such as the guilt or shame of not having acted at all."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/does-true-altruism-exist

Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity all assert that achieving a state of actual "selflessness" is not only possible but our one purpose in life. Mystics of every faith believe in and are dedicated to this end. For them it is called "at-one-ment": total union with the Supreme Being.

Here is where this spiritual state of At-one-ment ismentioned in Scripture: (Jn14:20, 15:4-7, 17:26; Rom8:9-10; 1Cor6:17; 2Cor1:21, 5:17, 21; Eph4:13; Col1:27, 3:3; 1Jn2:24, 4:16).

When Jesus said "Love you neighbor as yourself" this was to be taken as literally true: your neighbor is yourself, and so is your enemy. To feed the hungry is not charity, just as fixing oneself a nice breakfast is not charity. We are not giving anything, there is no sacrifice: it is simply what we do out of self-care.

What do you think?
Altruism: . 1. Unselfish concern for the welfare o... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2013 01:57:04   #
rumitoid
 
rhomin57 wrote:
Atonement: Holy Bible, the act of making an atonement for sin.

In the OT, this is what the Levitical Priesthood did by sacrificing all those animals. They were making atonement for the sins of the people. This is mentioned described and discussed amost a hundred times in OT. Then, in NT, Jesus Christ was the ultimate Atonement for sin. What we do now on this side of the timeline, is fully believe in that act, and repent when our Conscience is feeling guilty over a sin.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." Romans 5:11. Thanks for deferring any readers I could have had!
Atonement: Holy Bible, the act of making an atonem... (show quote)


rhomin, it is necessary for you, and your soul, to review each verse I provided for at-one-ment. It is not an easily acceptible doctrine, given usual Christian doctrine or phrasiology. Worth a thorough read.

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Dec 4, 2013 06:19:12   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
rhomin57 wrote:
Atonement: Holy Bible, the act of making an atonement for sin.

In the OT, this is what the Levitical Priesthood did by sacrificing all those animals. They were making atonement for the sins of the people. This is mentioned described and discussed amost a hundred times in OT. Then, in NT, Jesus Christ was the ultimate Atonement for sin. What we do now on this side of the timeline, is fully believe in that act, and repent when our Conscience is feeling guilty over a sin.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." Romans 5:11. Thanks for deferring any readers I could have had!
Atonement: Holy Bible, the act of making an atonem... (show quote)


Repentance means recognizing the sin AND taking steps to prevent a repeat. It's not a "get out of hell" free card.

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Dec 4, 2013 11:49:16   #
jay-are
 
rumitoid wrote:
Okay, then I feel free to examine some points you may have overlooked. I will go through your initial response point-by-point.

Jay-are:
1) "This is just as possible as it is for everybody to be on welfare, and be given what they need by the government. If everybody did that, we would all be in "equality nirvana," but unless God sends down the manna from the clouds, we would all starve to death eventually."

I am at a lost, frankly, as to how to respond to this comment. What I read in this scenario you offer is utter selfishness. People taking, not giving. How does that apply to selflessness? This Thread does have incidental political implicatiions but it is not directly political in nature. Being on welfare is hardly selfless.

2) "If we were all selfless, we would all die eventually from failure to provide for our own needs.

"Love your neighbor as yourself." Selfless does not mean being completely stupid or lacking in self-care, as these words from scripture clearly indicate: "...as yourself." Love does not overlook needs. And you appear to have overlooked the spiritual state of at-one-ment. Selflessness means being other-centered but that is impossible if we fail to eat and drink.

3) "Remember, on the airplane, the flight attendant tells you to put on your own oxygen mask first before helping your kid put on his/her mask. If you try to help the kid first, out of a sense of selflessness, chances are you will both die."

This is a false assumption: true selflessness would understand what is best for another, and in that situation of the oxygen mask with an innocent child, ignorant of the situation and dependent upon knowledgeable adults, it would be natural to take the mask first.

If you would, respond to the scripture provided.

Interesting that you brought up the situation of the oxygen mask. Back in 1986, on a trip home to visit my daughter, the plastic instructions in the pocket of the seat in front of me saying what to do if the cabin should decompress, reading them just to pass time until liftoff, were an ephiany. I was sober a little over two years and still did not quite get we had to do this non-drinking for ourselves. The phrase "It is a selfish program" still bothered me.
There is a paradox here that the literal mind will never grasp with its black and white thinking.
Okay, then I feel free to examine some points you ... (show quote)


It was just some thoughts that occurred to me, inspired by the thoughts you posted with your topic.

Instead of just saying no, I don't think altruism is possible, I wrote what I considered a more thought provoking way to put it. If the thoughts strike a chord with you, fine, if they don't, just take the literal response that I don't think altruism is possible.

Here is my response to the scriptures you listed.

John 14:20
In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. -- Who is you? You is a chosen child of God who has trusted Christ for salvation. I am not sure how you intend this to relate to selflessness or altruism. A child of God would want a close relationship with God, and God says He wants that for His children.

John 15:4-7
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. -- Same response as above. This is not about selflessness, it is about appealing to a person's love of self. If you want to maintain your life, and the good God can do for you, you will abide in Him.

John 17:26
26 and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.” -- Here Jesus is thanking God that a few in the world that God sent to Him are capable of knowing Him and Him knowing them. In the previous verse Jesus acknowledges that the majority of the world does not know Him, but these few chosen by God can know Him.

Romans 8:9-10
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. -- This the same message as John 3:3-8, that we must be born of the Spirit to have a relationship with God. Anyone not born again, of the Spirit, does not belong to Him and will not come to Christ willingly. If the Spirit of God does not dwell in you, you are in the flesh and will die in sin with the body.

1 Corinthians 6:17
17 But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. --Without context, this verse can't be understood. The context is of not using your body for sinful purposes. The meaning is similar to Jesus' statement that we will know them by their fruits. We can know that one is one spirit with the Lord if he avoids sin. If we are one spirit with the Lord, we will not sin, because the Lord is Holy, and no part of His body would be allowed to remain in sin.

2 Corinthians 1:21
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, 22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge. -- This is saying that God chose and annointed the Christians, and gave them spiritual life. Christians exist because God chose them, not because they choose God.

2 Corinthians 5:17, 21
17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. -- Again this is a way of distinguishing Christians by their fruits. A true Christian will exhibit a new nature, and be a new creature. That can only occur by God intervening and acting in that person's life. Other humans can't know of the inward actions of the Spirit in someone's life, but we can only see the outward signs that something has changed. God is the actor, and we receive the benefit, if He chooses us. In verse 21, who are we who Christ was made to be sin on our behalf? Chapter 1 tells us that Paul was writing to the church of God which is at Corinth with all the saints. So Christ was made to be sin on behalf of the Church of God and the saints.

Ephesians 4:13
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. -- This is talking about attaining maturity in the Christian faith. Again, this verse cannot stand alone, but must be read in context. He is talking about different Christians using their different gifts to help everyone grow and mature, and ultimately achieve the fullness of the body of Christ that God planned.

Colossians 1:27
27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. -- This is the end of a very long sentence. The entire sentence says that Paul and other saints were told mysteries of the gospel and entrusted by God to make those mysteries known to the Gentiles and the whole world. Paul says he follows God's command to teach in spite of the suffering he endures in the process.

Colossians 3:3
3 For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. -- This is speaking to the chosen who have been raised up with Christ. They have died, and are alive now only because of the mercy of God. The next verse says Christ is our life, so we will be revealed with Him in glory only because of Him choosing us and giving us the new spiritual life.

1 John 2:24
24 As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. -- This is another teaching of how to know whether or not one is truly saved. Many claim to be saved and want to be saved, but only the ones who abide in the Son and the Father are truly saved.

1 John 4:16
16 We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. -- This is another teaching of how to know whether or not one is truly saved. Many claim to be saved and want to be saved, but only the ones who abide in God are truly saved. This is not a formula for achieving salvation, it is merely evidence of what God has already done in one's life. You don't save yourself by abiding in God, you evaluate your life to gain assurance of your salvation if there is evidence that you are abiding in God. You also evaluate others to assure yourself of their salvation, or lack thereof.

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Dec 4, 2013 13:38:38   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
Why are you pulling the word apart?? It has one meaning in God's Holy Bible, and one meaning it is. Atonement for sin.
You can get lost on any trail from scripture all you want. But it's not the Spirit of God leading your there, only your own prideful mind. Taking that word out of it's Biblical content does not give fullness to the Grand Picture and message of God.
I can go anywhere to hear Bible Babble, won't listen (read) to yours.
rumitoid wrote:
rhomin, it is necessary for you, and your soul, to review each verse I provided for at-one-ment. It is not an easily acceptible doctrine, given usual Christian doctrine or phrasiology. Worth a thorough read.

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Dec 4, 2013 13:52:32   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
Repent means a change of heart on something you realize through Jesus Christ- is a sin you have committed.
It is not a game, it is not surface material to understand with just the mind. It is a change within the core of your human self. A different and higher understanding of the situation as a whole, to repent of your part in it, as well as making amends, if any can be, to the one you sinned against. That there done, is enough to keep you from doing it again.
Keep your snide remarks to yourself, I can maturely communicate scripture without them.
lpnmajor wrote:
Repentance means recognizing the sin AND taking steps to prevent a repeat. It's not a "get out of hell" free card.

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