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Mar 21, 2013 12:32:39   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing officers who said they might not pass on orders to fire at our citizens to retire. Here we have an example of such a thing that did take place and at least three of our military heroes of World War II are included in those pictured and quoted in the video.

If you think about what has come out of the VA recently about former soldiers not being allowed to buy guns it gets even more scary. Watch the video and see why I look forward to being shot someday in the future for speaking out against the administration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sNOsIB5VMSQ

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Mar 21, 2013 17:20:47   #
WhoIsJohnGalt
 
oldroy wrote:
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing officers who said they might not pass on orders to fire at our citizens to retire. Here we have an example of such a thing that did take place and at least three of our military heroes of World War II are included in those pictured and quoted in the video.

If you think about what has come out of the VA recently about former soldiers not being allowed to buy guns it gets even more scary. Watch the video and see why I look forward to being shot someday in the future for speaking out against the administration.
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing of... (show quote)


Here's the lesson we should learn. We cannot count on our own troops to refuse to follow their orders--even if said orders are illegal. We dare not rely on the police to try and stop crimes committed in situations like the one shown in that video. Prepare and act accordingly.

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Mar 21, 2013 18:11:48   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
WhoIsJohnGalt wrote:
oldroy wrote:
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing officers who said they might not pass on orders to fire at our citizens to retire. Here we have an example of such a thing that did take place and at least three of our military heroes of World War II are included in those pictured and quoted in the video.

If you think about what has come out of the VA recently about former soldiers not being allowed to buy guns it gets even more scary. Watch the video and see why I look forward to being shot someday in the future for speaking out against the administration.
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing of... (show quote)


Here's the lesson we should learn. We cannot count on our own troops to refuse to follow their orders--even if said orders are illegal. We dare not rely on the police to try and stop crimes committed in situations like the one shown in that video. Prepare and act accordingly.
quote=oldroy Recently it was reported that Obama ... (show quote)


I didn't buy the first firearm of my 80 years three days before the Newtown massacre, but I surely plan to hold on to that thing till Obama comes to take it out of my hands. I always wanted to have certain guns but didn't have a shooting range near. I still don't have one but have places since population here is pretty sparse.

They, (progressives) want our guns very bad so they can force us to let them have our Constitution and can force us to take many things they want and the rest of us don't want. I am surely trying to act accordingly in that I want to buy some more guns if I can ever find any ammo for the one I have.

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Mar 21, 2013 22:10:49   #
kattaustin Loc: western Colorado
 
I will gladly stand up and be shot with you! I eould like to think.our troops wouldnt shoot citizens, but then I remember Kent State and the way national guard troops fired on, and k**led
fleeing student protesters of the Vietnam war, and I just dont know. What does every one else think about this?

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Mar 22, 2013 00:20:54   #
sunshine
 
i have to agree be prepared

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Mar 22, 2013 01:00:22   #
The Dutchman
 
oldroy wrote:
WhoIsJohnGalt wrote:
oldroy wrote:
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing officers who said they might not pass on orders to fire at our citizens to retire. Here we have an example of such a thing that did take place and at least three of our military heroes of World War II are included in those pictured and quoted in the video.

If you think about what has come out of the VA recently about former soldiers not being allowed to buy guns it gets even more scary. Watch the video and see why I look forward to being shot someday in the future for speaking out against the administration.
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing of... (show quote)


Here's the lesson we should learn. We cannot count on our own troops to refuse to follow their orders--even if said orders are illegal. We dare not rely on the police to try and stop crimes committed in situations like the one shown in that video. Prepare and act accordingly.
quote=oldroy Recently it was reported that Obama ... (show quote)


I didn't buy the first firearm of my 80 years three days before the Newtown massacre, but I surely plan to hold on to that thing till Obama comes to take it out of my hands. I always wanted to have certain guns but didn't have a shooting range near. I still don't have one but have places since population here is pretty sparse.

They, (progressives) want our guns very bad so they can force us to let them have our Constitution and can force us to take many things they want and the rest of us don't want. I am surely trying to act accordingly in that I want to buy some more guns if I can ever find any ammo for the one I have.
quote=WhoIsJohnGalt quote=oldroy Recently it was... (show quote)


Old Roy,
I doubt very seriously that the troops even today would ever take up arms against the citizens of this country & I think the obozo is afraid of the same thing. This must be why he is beefing up the HLS so much. Remember him saying he needed his own private army as well trained and equipped as the military?

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Mar 22, 2013 10:15:31   #
Richard94611
 
Don't hold your breath. You'll get very red in the face.


oldroy wrote:
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing officers who said they might not pass on orders to fire at our citizens to retire. Here we have an example of such a thing that did take place and at least three of our military heroes of World War II are included in those pictured and quoted in the video.

If you think about what has come out of the VA recently about former soldiers not being allowed to buy guns it gets even more scary. Watch the video and see why I look forward to being shot someday in the future for speaking out against the administration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sNOsIB5VMSQ
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing of... (show quote)

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Mar 22, 2013 12:27:32   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Don't hold your breath. You'll get very red in the face.


oldroy wrote:
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing officers who said they might not pass on orders to fire at our citizens to retire. Here we have an example of such a thing that did take place and at least three of our military heroes of World War II are included in those pictured and quoted in the video.

If you think about what has come out of the VA recently about former soldiers not being allowed to buy guns it gets even more scary. Watch the video and see why I look forward to being shot someday in the future for speaking out against the administration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sNOsIB5VMSQ
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing of... (show quote)
Don't hold your breath. You'll get very red in th... (show quote)


Are you saying that Obama is not checking on what officers he can trust to order firing on people or something else? If you agree that he is you are surely right and if those three officers of the early 30s aren't proof of men who do what they did then maybe you need to look at some who have retired, fairly early, recently

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Mar 22, 2013 12:31:01   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
The Dutchman wrote:
oldroy wrote:
WhoIsJohnGalt wrote:
oldroy wrote:
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing officers who said they might not pass on orders to fire at our citizens to retire. Here we have an example of such a thing that did take place and at least three of our military heroes of World War II are included in those pictured and quoted in the video.

If you think about what has come out of the VA recently about former soldiers not being allowed to buy guns it gets even more scary. Watch the video and see why I look forward to being shot someday in the future for speaking out against the administration.
Recently it was reported that Obama was forcing of... (show quote)


Here's the lesson we should learn. We cannot count on our own troops to refuse to follow their orders--even if said orders are illegal. We dare not rely on the police to try and stop crimes committed in situations like the one shown in that video. Prepare and act accordingly.
quote=oldroy Recently it was reported that Obama ... (show quote)


I didn't buy the first firearm of my 80 years three days before the Newtown massacre, but I surely plan to hold on to that thing till Obama comes to take it out of my hands. I always wanted to have certain guns but didn't have a shooting range near. I still don't have one but have places since population here is pretty sparse.

They, (progressives) want our guns very bad so they can force us to let them have our Constitution and can force us to take many things they want and the rest of us don't want. I am surely trying to act accordingly in that I want to buy some more guns if I can ever find any ammo for the one I have.
quote=WhoIsJohnGalt quote=oldroy Recently it was... (show quote)


Old Roy,
I doubt very seriously that the troops even today would ever take up arms against the citizens of this country & I think the obozo is afraid of the same thing. This must be why he is beefing up the HLS so much. Remember him saying he needed his own private army as well trained and equipped as the military?
quote=oldroy quote=WhoIsJohnGalt quote=oldroy R... (show quote)


The best part of what you say is that his private army, if it is to be the well armed "troops" of DHS won't be nearly large enough to fight the citizenry and the military. Yes, they did order several thousand assault weapons with high capacity mags but they won't outnumber those people have to use for recreation. It will be interesting to see how this works out for our Glorious Leader.

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Mar 24, 2013 17:32:59   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
They will fire. The whole premise of military training is "blind obedience". They will regret it later, and may, at some point change sides. That will come later after realization of what they have been ordered to do has set in, and remorse replaces zeal.

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Mar 24, 2013 17:58:56   #
Richard94611
 
I agree. I think they will fire, but what they will regret is that the people they were ordered to fire on were so stupid as to put themselves in harm's way. The idea that Obama is creating a separate private army is a little paranoid, I think.

A lot of these paranoid speculations are fuels by the mistaken idea that anybody is planning on trying take away people's guns. They aren't. Nobody is. But it would be a great step to make certain people cannot get their hands on assault rifles. H****rs don't need them. And our police departments are tired of being outgunned by the young thugs who cause most of the trouble in our cities.


Unclet wrote:
They will fire. The whole premise of military training is "blind obedience". They will regret it later, and may, at some point change sides. That will come later after realization of what they have been ordered to do has set in, and remorse replaces zeal.

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Mar 24, 2013 18:48:56   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
Rather or not they are going to try to take guns away is a secondary issue. Primary issue is why they would want to take guns away. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are just tools, used for hunting and sport shooting. Guns in the hands of the young thugs that you referenced, are weapons. If we enforce/enforced the laws that we already have on the books, none of the rhetoric would be necessary. Punish criminals, and destroy their weapons when they are confiscated. Punish those who do not secure their weapons and whose weapons are used for crimes. Until we start holding those who are responsible for committing crimes accountable, we will forever continue to have this conversation.

That being said, there is still the issue of will the military fire on citizens. Without claiming the sky is falling, there are forces at work, to ensure that we unfortunately will find out in the near future.

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Mar 24, 2013 18:54:03   #
Richard94611
 
I agree with a great deal of what you say. I heard on TV earlier this morning comments (by the President of the NRA) that Chicago simply is not enforcing gun laws to the extent that they should be enforced. If the laws are not enforced, there might as well not be laws.

As to whether or not our military will shoot on civilians, I don't think we will find out about that here in my part of the world. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am wrong about this. And I am in Oakland, CA.


Unclet wrote:
Rather or not they are going to try to take guns away is a secondary issue. Primary issue is why they would want to take guns away. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are just tools, used for hunting and sport shooting. Guns in the hands of the young thugs that you referenced, are weapons. If we enforce/enforced the laws that we already have on the books, none of the rhetoric would be necessary. Punish criminals, and destroy their weapons when they are confiscated. Punish those who do not secure their weapons and whose weapons are used for crimes. Until we start holding those who are responsible for committing crimes accountable, we will forever continue to have this conversation.

That being said, there is still the issue of will the military fire on citizens. Without claiming the sky is falling, there are forces at work, to ensure that we unfortunately will find out in the near future.
Rather or not they are going to try to take guns a... (show quote)

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Mar 24, 2013 19:30:24   #
WhoIsJohnGalt
 
Richard94611 wrote:
A lot of these paranoid speculations are fuels by the mistaken idea that anybody is planning on trying take away people's guns. They aren't. Nobody is. But it would be a great step to make certain people cannot get their hands on assault rifles. H****rs don't need them. And our police departments are tired of being outgunned by the young thugs who cause most of the trouble in our cities.


Oh, really? So why do they want us to register our guns? Why don't they go ahead and start putting insane people back into asylums for the insane? Please explain the difference between an "assault weapon" and a useful hunting rifle.

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Mar 24, 2013 20:20:38   #
Richard94611
 
They would like you to register your guns because they could charge a little money for it, just the way they charge when you register your automobile. They might also find it useful to run background checks on these people, too.

I agree that the mental health system needs lots of reform.

An assault weapon and a useful hunting rifle might be differentiated by the number of rounds in a magazine. If these were limited to 10 instead of the 30 rounds that many assault weapon magazines, this would certainly help. Don't tell me you are such a poor shot when hunting that you need thirty rounds to hit a deer.




WhoIsJohnGalt wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
A lot of these paranoid speculations are fuels by the mistaken idea that anybody is planning on trying take away people's guns. They aren't. Nobody is. But it would be a great step to make certain people cannot get their hands on assault rifles. H****rs don't need them. And our police departments are tired of being outgunned by the young thugs who cause most of the trouble in our cities.


Oh, really? So why do they want us to register our guns? Why don't they go ahead and start putting insane people back into asylums for the insane? Please explain the difference between an "assault weapon" and a useful hunting rifle.
quote=Richard94611 A lot of these paranoid specu... (show quote)

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