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Why Gun Nuts Lie-By David Smalley
Jun 30, 2016 12:51:30   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
June 25, 2016
by David Smalley

I live in Texas. I’m a gun owner. I have a concealed handgun license. I’ve taught my kids how to fire weapons.
I also understand and appreciate our Constitution. I’m fully aware of the 2nd Amendment, and how its authors wanted to prevent government tyranny. Considering what they had gone through, they had every right to demand such a thing.
I know enough about weapons to have a near perfect score on my firing test, to know that the “c” in SR9c stands for “compact” to make the weapon easier to hide; and to know that the AR in AR-15 doesn’t stand for ‘Assault Rifle,’ but ‘Armalite’ after the original company who made the gun.
Am I a gun nut? Maybe. But I like to keep myself skeptical and informed. And that includes realizing when I’m being illogically influenced by my culture, and taking necessary steps to correct it.
You see, one thing that’s more important than situational knowledge, patriotism, tradition, or protection, is common sense.
At this nation’s beginning, it made sense for the citizens to be armed similarly to the government to prevent tyranny.
Today, that’s ridiculous. The very concept is outdated. Some have said to me; the point is for the citizens to be “as armed as well as the government.”
For starters, today, the military has fully automatic M-16s. Citizens can’t buy that. You have to get a tamer version: AR-15.
You can’t have flame throwers, bombs, bazookas, Z10 attack helicopters, bradleys, tanks, fighter jets, nuclear reactors, or a plethora of other secret military weapons you don’t even know exist.
So even today, with the 2nd Amendment in full effect, we don’t have the rights to be “armed as well as our government.”
Secondly, what if you were? I could hand you 50 AR-15s, give you 1000 illegal bombs, steal you a couple of tanks, and smuggle in some bazookas, and even let you fully train 500 of your closest friends.
If the government wants your shit, they’re going to take it.Shooting
You still wouldn’t be a match for even a single battalion of the United States Marine Corps. Not to mention the Air Force, Army, Navy, National Guard, Secret Service, FBI, CIA, and Seals.
So stop acting like your little AR-15 is going to stop tyranny.
Just be honest. You like it because it makes your pee-pee big, and when you fire it, it gives you a tingle in your no-no place.
Trust me, I understand.
The only reason you want to protect your second amendment now, is to justify buying an AR-15 or weapons for your home. I understand. I have them. But is it worth it? Does it really make you feel safe? If it does, it’s a false sense of security that statistically puts us in more danger.
As a fellow gun nut, I’ll take this journey with you. But let’s stop lying to ourselves.
A collection of studies from 2012-2013 found that having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death—and that of your spouse and children. If you have a gun (regardless of how it’s stored), everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.
Gun owners and their families are not more suicidal than non-gun-owners, research shows. Nor are they more likely to have a history of depression or other mental health problems.
But they—and their families—are at significantly increased risk of successfully taking their lives with a gun.
The reasons:
1) Guns are more lethal than other methods attempted

2) When guns are more readily available, there isn’t time for a cool-down period, and impulse wins.

The weapons we can purchase today are useless against our government. However, they are extremely useful in the hands of people who want to do harm to others, and inflict damage beyond our imagination.
And they are rarely shown to be effective in protecting ourselves from those people, again, shown here.
Let’s play a little research game. Google: “man fights off gang of bad guys with AR-15” and the first thing that pops up is a video of criminals shooting at a moving car with handguns.
Why didn’t we get tons of results of bad guys being taken down by gun-toting good guys? Because that only happens in the happy Chuck Norris dreams of gun owners; not reality.
On the entire first page of results, there’s only one story of a person being saved by an AR-15, and it was a 15 yr old boy; who by law, was not supposed to have access to firearms without an adult present. And, this same outcome could have happened with a shotgun or even a .22 long rifle. It didn’t have to be an AR-15.
Your fantasy of wiping out those 14 burglars, like Rambo spraying bullets from your AR-15, just isn’t going to happen.
It doesn’t happen. Period.
I’m not advocating for you to lose all your guns. Even aware of the statistical dangers, I struggle with what to do with mine. I want my kids to be educated on the dangers, but I don’t want to act like guns make me safer. At least if I’m being skeptical even when it hurts.
But we have to draw the line somewhere. The bottom line is, we just need common sense. And we need to stop lying to ourselves.
I detailed my proposal for gun legislation on Dogma Debate #211: Guns & Atheists.

But here’s the gist of it:
Treat guns like cars.
Mandatory licenses
License renewals
Mandatory training
Mandatory insurance
Operating laws
Operating age limits
Restrict some models
Require safety inspections
Mandatory registration
Background checks
With this, the manufacturers of guns are never held accountable for the actions of people who abuse their products.
Do we have a deal?
Let’s stop acting like there are only 2 sides of this argument. We’re killing each other. Literally.
Please, for the love of logic, stop using outdated ridiculous concepts of tyranny to defend the dying dinosaur that is our 2nd Amendment.
Like it or not, it needs an update.

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Jun 30, 2016 13:01:58   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Your article was interesting. But flawed. It assumes the bulk of our military would participate in a tyrannical coup.

If you believe that, you never served America in the military.

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Jun 30, 2016 13:59:10   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Super Dave wrote:
Your article was interesting. But flawed. It assumes the bulk of our military would participate in a tyrannical coup.

If you believe that, you never served America in the military.


I served in the Navy, if THIS president told you to violate the constitution, would you participate in tyrannical coup?

To wit: raise your right hand

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

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Jun 30, 2016 20:50:03   #
DJRich Loc: Western Pa
 
Excellent post and information that all gun nuts should agree with

Then again, if they have a death wish, they should start their stupid revolution now, with out any waiting






Dummy Boy wrote:
June 25, 2016
by David Smalley

I live in Texas. I’m a gun owner. I have a concealed handgun license. I’ve taught my kids how to fire weapons.
I also understand and appreciate our Constitution. I’m fully aware of the 2nd Amendment, and how its authors wanted to prevent government tyranny. Considering what they had gone through, they had every right to demand such a thing.
I know enough about weapons to have a near perfect score on my firing test, to know that the “c” in SR9c stands for “compact” to make the weapon easier to hide; and to know that the AR in AR-15 doesn’t stand for ‘Assault Rifle,’ but ‘Armalite’ after the original company who made the gun.
Am I a gun nut? Maybe. But I like to keep myself skeptical and informed. And that includes realizing when I’m being illogically influenced by my culture, and taking necessary steps to correct it.
You see, one thing that’s more important than situational knowledge, patriotism, tradition, or protection, is common sense.
At this nation’s beginning, it made sense for the citizens to be armed similarly to the government to prevent tyranny.
Today, that’s ridiculous. The very concept is outdated. Some have said to me; the point is for the citizens to be “as armed as well as the government.”
For starters, today, the military has fully automatic M-16s. Citizens can’t buy that. You have to get a tamer version: AR-15.
You can’t have flame throwers, bombs, bazookas, Z10 attack helicopters, bradleys, tanks, fighter jets, nuclear reactors, or a plethora of other secret military weapons you don’t even know exist.
So even today, with the 2nd Amendment in full effect, we don’t have the rights to be “armed as well as our government.”
Secondly, what if you were? I could hand you 50 AR-15s, give you 1000 illegal bombs, steal you a couple of tanks, and smuggle in some bazookas, and even let you fully train 500 of your closest friends.
If the government wants your shit, they’re going to take it.Shooting
You still wouldn’t be a match for even a single battalion of the United States Marine Corps. Not to mention the Air Force, Army, Navy, National Guard, Secret Service, FBI, CIA, and Seals.
So stop acting like your little AR-15 is going to stop tyranny.
Just be honest. You like it because it makes your pee-pee big, and when you fire it, it gives you a tingle in your no-no place.
Trust me, I understand.
The only reason you want to protect your second amendment now, is to justify buying an AR-15 or weapons for your home. I understand. I have them. But is it worth it? Does it really make you feel safe? If it does, it’s a false sense of security that statistically puts us in more danger.
As a fellow gun nut, I’ll take this journey with you. But let’s stop lying to ourselves.
A collection of studies from 2012-2013 found that having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death—and that of your spouse and children. If you have a gun (regardless of how it’s stored), everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.
Gun owners and their families are not more suicidal than non-gun-owners, research shows. Nor are they more likely to have a history of depression or other mental health problems.
But they—and their families—are at significantly increased risk of successfully taking their lives with a gun.
The reasons:
1) Guns are more lethal than other methods attempted

2) When guns are more readily available, there isn’t time for a cool-down period, and impulse wins.

The weapons we can purchase today are useless against our government. However, they are extremely useful in the hands of people who want to do harm to others, and inflict damage beyond our imagination.
And they are rarely shown to be effective in protecting ourselves from those people, again, shown here.
Let’s play a little research game. Google: “man fights off gang of bad guys with AR-15” and the first thing that pops up is a video of criminals shooting at a moving car with handguns.
Why didn’t we get tons of results of bad guys being taken down by gun-toting good guys? Because that only happens in the happy Chuck Norris dreams of gun owners; not reality.
On the entire first page of results, there’s only one story of a person being saved by an AR-15, and it was a 15 yr old boy; who by law, was not supposed to have access to firearms without an adult present. And, this same outcome could have happened with a shotgun or even a .22 long rifle. It didn’t have to be an AR-15.
Your fantasy of wiping out those 14 burglars, like Rambo spraying bullets from your AR-15, just isn’t going to happen.
It doesn’t happen. Period.
I’m not advocating for you to lose all your guns. Even aware of the statistical dangers, I struggle with what to do with mine. I want my kids to be educated on the dangers, but I don’t want to act like guns make me safer. At least if I’m being skeptical even when it hurts.
But we have to draw the line somewhere. The bottom line is, we just need common sense. And we need to stop lying to ourselves.
I detailed my proposal for gun legislation on Dogma Debate #211: Guns & Atheists.

But here’s the gist of it:
Treat guns like cars.
Mandatory licenses
License renewals
Mandatory training
Mandatory insurance
Operating laws
Operating age limits
Restrict some models
Require safety inspections
Mandatory registration
Background checks
With this, the manufacturers of guns are never held accountable for the actions of people who abuse their products.
Do we have a deal?
Let’s stop acting like there are only 2 sides of this argument. We’re killing each other. Literally.
Please, for the love of logic, stop using outdated ridiculous concepts of tyranny to defend the dying dinosaur that is our 2nd Amendment.
Like it or not, it needs an update.
June 25, 2016 br by David Smalley br br I live ... (show quote)

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Jun 30, 2016 21:00:26   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
DJRich wrote:
Excellent post and information that all gun nuts should agree with

Then again, if they have a death wish, they should start their stupid revolution now, with out any waiting


They like to talk a good game, but talk is cheap. And saber rattling will only stimulate the unnecessary.

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Jun 30, 2016 21:35:36   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
I served in the Navy, if THIS president told you to violate the constitution, would you participate in tyrannical coup?

To wit: raise your right hand

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
I served in the Navy, if THIS president told you t... (show quote)

Then you should know better.

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Jun 30, 2016 23:26:35   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Super Dave wrote:
Then you should know better.


I'll repeat the oath:


"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

I know that if the president violates the constitution, I am empowered to prevent that...

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Jul 1, 2016 05:44:51   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
I'll repeat the oath:


"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

I know that if the president violates the constitution, I am empowered to prevent that...
I'll repeat the oath: br br br "I, _____, d... (show quote)
I would like to know... Why do you assume the vast majority of current active duty servicemen will not follow the same oath?

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Jul 1, 2016 06:50:30   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Super Dave wrote:
I would like to know... Why do you assume the vast majority of current active duty servicemen will not follow the same oath?


...because they hate the president.....

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Jul 1, 2016 06:54:13   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
...because they hate the president.....


Apparently I misunderstood your 1st post. I thought you said the military would support a coup to keep Obama in office.

Apologies.

But I still disagree about them taking his worthless ass out.

Obama will leave after his term ends.

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Jul 1, 2016 07:03:13   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Super Dave wrote:
Apparently I misunderstood your 1st post. I thought you said the military would support a coup to keep Obama in office.

Apologies.

But I still disagree about them taking his worthless ass out.

Obama will leave after his term ends.


I agree, maybe back to Kenya, to open his presidential library?

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May 17, 2017 19:19:04   #
jeff smith
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
June 25, 2016
by David Smalley

I live in Texas. I’m a gun owner. I have a concealed handgun license. I’ve taught my kids how to fire weapons.
I also understand and appreciate our Constitution. I’m fully aware of the 2nd Amendment, and how its authors wanted to prevent government tyranny. Considering what they had gone through, they had every right to demand such a thing.
I know enough about weapons to have a near perfect score on my firing test, to know that the “c” in SR9c stands for “compact” to make the weapon easier to hide; and to know that the AR in AR-15 doesn’t stand for ‘Assault Rifle,’ but ‘Armalite’ after the original company who made the gun.
Am I a gun nut? Maybe. But I like to keep myself skeptical and informed. And that includes realizing when I’m being illogically influenced by my culture, and taking necessary steps to correct it.
You see, one thing that’s more important than situational knowledge, patriotism, tradition, or protection, is common sense.
At this nation’s beginning, it made sense for the citizens to be armed similarly to the government to prevent tyranny.
Today, that’s ridiculous. The very concept is outdated. Some have said to me; the point is for the citizens to be “as armed as well as the government.”
For starters, today, the military has fully automatic M-16s. Citizens can’t buy that. You have to get a tamer version: AR-15.
You can’t have flame throwers, bombs, bazookas, Z10 attack helicopters, bradleys, tanks, fighter jets, nuclear reactors, or a plethora of other secret military weapons you don’t even know exist.
So even today, with the 2nd Amendment in full effect, we don’t have the rights to be “armed as well as our government.”
Secondly, what if you were? I could hand you 50 AR-15s, give you 1000 illegal bombs, steal you a couple of tanks, and smuggle in some bazookas, and even let you fully train 500 of your closest friends.
If the government wants your shit, they’re going to take it.Shooting
You still wouldn’t be a match for even a single battalion of the United States Marine Corps. Not to mention the Air Force, Army, Navy, National Guard, Secret Service, FBI, CIA, and Seals.
So stop acting like your little AR-15 is going to stop tyranny.
Just be honest. You like it because it makes your pee-pee big, and when you fire it, it gives you a tingle in your no-no place.
Trust me, I understand.
The only reason you want to protect your second amendment now, is to justify buying an AR-15 or weapons for your home. I understand. I have them. But is it worth it? Does it really make you feel safe? If it does, it’s a false sense of security that statistically puts us in more danger.
As a fellow gun nut, I’ll take this journey with you. But let’s stop lying to ourselves.
A collection of studies from 2012-2013 found that having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death—and that of your spouse and children. If you have a gun (regardless of how it’s stored), everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.
Gun owners and their families are not more suicidal than non-gun-owners, research shows. Nor are they more likely to have a history of depression or other mental health problems.
But they—and their families—are at significantly increased risk of successfully taking their lives with a gun.
The reasons:
1) Guns are more lethal than other methods attempted

2) When guns are more readily available, there isn’t time for a cool-down period, and impulse wins.

The weapons we can purchase today are useless against our government. However, they are extremely useful in the hands of people who want to do harm to others, and inflict damage beyond our imagination.
And they are rarely shown to be effective in protecting ourselves from those people, again, shown here.
Let’s play a little research game. Google: “man fights off gang of bad guys with AR-15” and the first thing that pops up is a video of criminals shooting at a moving car with handguns.
Why didn’t we get tons of results of bad guys being taken down by gun-toting good guys? Because that only happens in the happy Chuck Norris dreams of gun owners; not reality.
On the entire first page of results, there’s only one story of a person being saved by an AR-15, and it was a 15 yr old boy; who by law, was not supposed to have access to firearms without an adult present. And, this same outcome could have happened with a shotgun or even a .22 long rifle. It didn’t have to be an AR-15.
Your fantasy of wiping out those 14 burglars, like Rambo spraying bullets from your AR-15, just isn’t going to happen.
It doesn’t happen. Period.
I’m not advocating for you to lose all your guns. Even aware of the statistical dangers, I struggle with what to do with mine. I want my kids to be educated on the dangers, but I don’t want to act like guns make me safer. At least if I’m being skeptical even when it hurts.
But we have to draw the line somewhere. The bottom line is, we just need common sense. And we need to stop lying to ourselves.
I detailed my proposal for gun legislation on Dogma Debate #211: Guns & Atheists.

But here’s the gist of it:
Treat guns like cars.
Mandatory licenses
License renewals
Mandatory training
Mandatory insurance
Operating laws
Operating age limits
Restrict some models
Require safety inspections
Mandatory registration
Background checks
With this, the manufacturers of guns are never held accountable for the actions of people who abuse their products.
Do we have a deal?
Let’s stop acting like there are only 2 sides of this argument. We’re killing each other. Literally.
Please, for the love of logic, stop using outdated ridiculous concepts of tyranny to defend the dying dinosaur that is our 2nd Amendment.
Like it or not, it needs an update.
June 25, 2016 br by David Smalley br br I live ... (show quote)

NO! I do not agree. if per chance I was to own a weapon , it is no ones business to know that I own them. the ONLY thing there would be mandatory registration for , is so the government knows where to go to collect all known firearms when they decide to ban public ownership of firearms. I never worried about my sons with arms around. as you, my children learned at a very young age what these things can and will do. the government already have enough restrictions on the type of rifles that a civilian may own. background checks? yep . although if found allowable to own a firearm. then all records must be destroyed. if found that the person is not allowed to own a firearm . then keep those records on nation wide system. odd that people have sued a firearm manufacturer , when a firearm is used in the commission of a crime. strange , why is it that a automobile maker isn't sued when someone is killed in a car wreck . great big BOUBLE STANDARDS pushed by the anti-gun groups. I have never heard of the comment , "we are suppose to be able to be as armed as the military" , this is not possible . with all of the restriction of what it is that "we the people " are allowed to own. it is stated that a strong militia , " AND THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BARE ARMS" nothing in this amendment says anything of equally armed as the military. I don't know why any one would think of such a comment.

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May 18, 2017 09:52:34   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
jeff smith wrote:
NO! I do not agree. if per chance I was to own a weapon , it is no ones business to know that I own them. the ONLY thing there would be mandatory registration for , is so the government knows where to go to collect all known firearms when they decide to ban public ownership of firearms. I never worried about my sons with arms around. as you, my children learned at a very young age what these things can and will do. the government already have enough restrictions on the type of rifles that a civilian may own. background checks? yep . although if found allowable to own a firearm. then all records must be destroyed. if found that the person is not allowed to own a firearm . then keep those records on nation wide system. odd that people have sued a firearm manufacturer , when a firearm is used in the commission of a crime. strange , why is it that a automobile maker isn't sued when someone is killed in a car wreck . great big BOUBLE STANDARDS pushed by the anti-gun groups. I have never heard of the comment , "we are suppose to be able to be as armed as the military" , this is not possible . with all of the restriction of what it is that "we the people " are allowed to own. it is stated that a strong militia , " AND THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BARE ARMS" nothing in this amendment says anything of equally armed as the military. I don't know why any one would think of such a comment.
NO! I do not agree. if per chance I was to own a ... (show quote)


You're right, the second amendment doesn't declare that a criminal should be prevented from buying a weapon.

It doesn't say even what "arms" are.

This was a note from my school district this morning:

We want to inform you about a situation that happened on one of our buses this morning. First, and most importantly, all students involved are (and were) safe and their families are being notified individually about the events that occurred.

After one of our buses dropped off high school students at East, but before the bus pulled away to continue to the middle schools, a student on the bus allegedly made a comment about possessing a glock. Another student overheard the comment from several rows behind; while he could not identify the speaker, he immediately informed the driver who then followed protocol to notify the Transportation Department and Administration.

East School Resource Officer, Deputy Biggers, was on site and immediately able to respond and assist with following district protocols. He was also able to coordinate with additional Oakland County law enforcement support. Students were taken off the bus, but were not informed about the comment so as not to cause panic. They were monitored by administration and police, and then separated from their backpacks and other bags. An Oakland County K-9 unit arrived and the dog sniffed all belongings and the bus, with no initial findings. Next, district administrators searched each bag/backpack and briefly questioned students about whether they had heard any comments of concern on the bus.

While the investigation into the comment is ongoing, no weapon was found. Middle School administrators will be reminding all students about the inappropriateness of making comments about a weapon in school or on a bus – just as one should not yell “fire” in a theater or joke about a bomb at an airport. Such comments can result in discipline in a school setting and legal consequences elsewhere. We encourage parents to remind all students of this.

We are glad to report that the crisis protocols were followed properly, that students were very well behaved while they waited throughout this process, and that they were able to be transported to school to attend classes the rest of the day.

Again, we were fortunate to have the assistance of our School Resource Officer as well as the support of the Oakland County Sherriff’s Department.

If you have any questions, please contact your building principal.

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