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Oct 30, 2013 13:17:37   #
blocklanes
 
Why??????????
He brought the troops home from Cheney's war.
He is trying to get healthcare for everyone.
He hasn't c***ted on his wife like Bush, Mc Caine and Gingrich
He wants to stop criminals from getting automatic weapons.

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Oct 30, 2013 14:02:35   #
WiseAss
 
I never thought about that. Why not Rosevelt had three terms. President Obama is handicapped due to the previous Bush administrative blunders. For African Americans & people of all American ethnicity we should let him lead us to a brighter, cleaner, saver & stronger America.

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Oct 30, 2013 14:07:53   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
BOHICA

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Oct 30, 2013 14:14:29   #
maureenthannon
 
He already thinks he's a dictator, above the rule of law and the Constitution. He regularly lies to the American people. Americans, and foreigners have been k**led as a result of his lies(B******i and Fast and Furious). But why should HismRoyal Highness Obama let the Constitutions' term limits apply to mhim, nothing else does.

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Oct 30, 2013 14:30:43   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
maureenthannon wrote:
He already thinks he's a dictator, above the rule of law and the Constitution. He regularly lies to the American people. Americans, and foreigners have been k**led as a result of his lies(B******i and Fast and Furious). But why should HismRoyal Highness Obama let the Constitutions' term limits apply to mhim, nothing else does.


Hmmmm, so let's say the dems keep control of the senate and gain control of the house in 2014. He then could put together enough v**es to change the law enabling him to serve as president for a 3rd term.

I wonder if this is why Hillary has yet to proclaim her second run at?

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Oct 30, 2013 14:31:33   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
WiseAss wrote:
I never thought about that. Why not Rosevelt had three terms.
Hello, anybody home?

Amendment XXII, US Constitution.
No person shall be elected to the office of President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. . . . . . . .

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Oct 30, 2013 14:39:15   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Hello, anybody home?

Amendment XXII, US Constitution.
No person shall be elected to the office of President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. . . . . . . .


Yes yes yes of course but we all know how often he's circumvented multiple amendments whose to say he won't continue to do so.

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Oct 30, 2013 14:48:16   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
Hmmmm, so let's say the dems keep control of the senate and gain control of the house in 2014. He then could put together enough v**es to change the law enabling him to serve as president for a 3rd term.

I wonder if this is why Hillary has yet to proclaim her second run at?


Do you really think that constitutional belongs in your screen name? Do you not know that just having Dems control both houses of Congress is not the final thing that allows Obama to throw out the Constitution. The document says that only two terms is allowable and until it is amended to throw out that amendment he has to be just as unconstitutional as he has been up to now.

We aren't all misinformed like so many of you liberal thinkers so maybe he will have to stop trashing the Constitution before the upcoming e******n.

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Oct 30, 2013 14:50:31   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Hello, anybody home?

Amendment XXII, US Constitution.
No person shall be elected to the office of President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. . . . . . . .


Some of our liberals weren't around when Roosevelt was elected to 4 terms and didn't live long enough to serve out his 4th. Also, most of them don't know that the 22nd Amendment is part of the Constitution.

Misinformed, low information v**ers are very easy to lead around and maybe we have some of them writing here.

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Oct 30, 2013 15:04:36   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
oldroy wrote:
Some of our liberals weren't around when Roosevelt was elected to 4 terms and didn't live long enough to serve out his 4th. Also, most of them don't know that the 22nd Amendment is part of the Constitution.

Misinformed, low information v**ers are very easy to lead around and maybe we have some of them writing here.


There are several ways of doing it, congressional super majority, states or constitutional convention. Just because it is a law doesn't mean it can't be changed or executed to wh**ever degree the president sees fit.

Allah help us if he ever pulled something like this off.

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Oct 30, 2013 15:16:19   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
There are several ways of doing it, congressional super majority, states or constitutional convention. Just because it is a law doesn't mean it can't be changed or executed to wh**ever degree the president sees fit.

Allah help us if he ever pulled something like this off.


That amendment, 22, can not be done away with by a super majority, wh**ever that is, and the constitutional convention you speak of has to be called for by your Democrat Congress and it may not meet soon enough to propose throwing out Amendent 22 to work for him. You really don't know much about amending the Constitution, do you?

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Oct 30, 2013 15:36:52   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
oldroy wrote:
That amendment, 22, can not be done away with by a super majority, wh**ever that is, and the constitutional convention you speak of has to be called for by your Democrat Congress and it may not meet soon enough to propose throwing out Amendent 22 to work for him. You really don't know much about amending the Constitution, do you?


Very probably much less than most people on this site so I went and re read article V so I don't miss speak again.

The question was could Obama be president for a 3rd term and yes he could but legally only through a constitutional amendment and there are several ways that can achieved. But my point really was when has Obama ever given a rats rear end about the constitution when he has on multiple times choosen to ignore it.

However it is at the presidents disgression as to how he/she chooses to impliment the constitution and to what degree. This power has given him a great deal of ability to pick and choose wh**ever he likes as in the example of implimentation of Obama care. Whose to say what other laws he will execute or ignore because it is his constitutional right.

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Oct 30, 2013 15:44:32   #
bahmer
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
Very probably much less than most people on this site so I went and re read article V so I don't miss speak again.

The question was could Obama be president for a 3rd term and yes he could but legally only through a constitutional amendment and there are several ways that can achieved. But my point really was when has Obama ever given a rats rear end about the constitution when he has on multiple times choosen to ignore it.

However it is at the presidents disgression as to how he/she chooses to impliment the constitution and to what degree. This power has given him a great deal of ability to pick and choose wh**ever he likes as in the example of implimentation of Obama care. Whose to say what other laws he will execute or ignore because it is his constitutional right.
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The last one may be large enough to cause a major upheaval in the US as the majority know that two terms is in the constitution and that may be a spark large enough for him to declare marshal law on the country. I personally don't trust this individual any further than I can throw an elephant by the tail and I can guarantee that it isn't very far.

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Oct 30, 2013 15:49:04   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
Very probably much less than most people on this site so I went and re read article V so I don't miss speak again.

The question was could Obama be president for a 3rd term and yes he could but legally only through a constitutional amendment and there are several ways that can achieved. But my point really was when has Obama ever given a rats rear end about the constitution when he has on multiple times choosen to ignore it.

However it is at the presidents disgression as to how he/she chooses to impliment the constitution and to what degree. This power has given him a great deal of ability to pick and choose wh**ever he likes as in the example of implimentation of Obama care. Whose to say what other laws he will execute or ignore because it is his constitutional right.
Very probably much less than most people on this s... (show quote)


I have wondered and wondered where his right to enforce the Constitution as he sees fit can be found in the document. Maybe you could point the spot out to me.

There are really two ways to propose an amendment and two to ratify it. Proposal can be made by Congress or through a convention called by them. Ratification comes from 3/4 of state legislatures or from a 3/4 v**e in state conventions. Congress determines which of all these things will be used.

Now ratification is the really hard thing for them to come by. Just think, Kansas is not the only state that is controlled in the Legislature and the governor's chair so chances of this amendment being done in time for Obama to be elected again are very small. States could easily hold things up for as many as 5 or more years. I am pretty sure that he will have to go around the Constitution or will have to use martial law that allows him to become President for like. Not many of us will accept that, I hope.

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Oct 30, 2013 15:54:57   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
wrote:
There are several ways of doing it, congressional super majority, states or constitutional convention. Just because it is a law doesn't mean it can't be changed or executed to wh**ever degree the president sees fit.
oldroy wrote:
That amendment, 22, can not be done away with by a super majority, wh**ever that is, and the constitutional convention you speak of has to be called for by your Democrat Congress and it may not meet soon enough to propose throwing out Amendent 22 to work for him. You really don't know much about amending the Constitution, do you?
Yes, roy, you are correct that a congressional super majority cannot change or repeal an amendment.

However, if you read Article V of the Constitution carefully, it prescribes two separate amendment processes. One, of course, authorizes the US Congress to propose an amendment, and this is the process that has been successful throughout our history. This requires 2/3rds of both houses to pass the amendment, then, for it to be established in the Constitution, the amendment must be ratified by 3/4ths of the state legislatures.

The second procedure authorizes state legislatures to propose and pass amendments. This requires a convention of 2/3rds of the state legislatures. In this instance, the state governors have no role, and the US congress has merely a ministerial role, it can neither deny the states application nor can it over rule the proposals. If 2/3rds of the state legislatures pass an amendment to our Constitution, it also must be ratified by 3/4ths of the state legislatures.

If you are interested, THIS BOOK articulates the state convention process, how it works, and proposes doing just that. If it does nothing else, the Liberty Amendments is a scholarly lesson in American history.

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