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Oct 26, 2013 15:24:26   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
I say that the government in Washington has been bought
by Big Money. Who control who we are able to v**e for.

We thus have two Parties in name only.

With this system we the general public argue one party against the other to the delight of Big Money.

I say this is a big reason we are in this mess.

Please state you views.

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Oct 26, 2013 16:06:09   #
petertimber
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I say that the government in Washington has been bought
by Big Money. Who control who we are able to v**e for.

We thus have two Parties in name only.

With this system we the general public argue one party against the other to the delight of Big Money.

I say this is a big reason we are in this mess.

Please state you views.


We are at the same stage as that of Ancient Rome when the gluttonized Senatorial ruling families obsessed with the Egyptian grain trade and the currying of favor by their lobbyists (known to Romans as "CLIENTS") over the creation of the Port of Ostia were relieved when Julius Caesar crossed the rubicon and came trundling in with his legion(s) and POW's and took charge so the Senate could then concentrate on lining their pockets and developing Tuscan villa estates later to become dark age principalities. The only thing is we do not have a CAESAR on the horizon......anybody?

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Oct 26, 2013 18:38:56   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I say that the government in Washington has been bought
by Big Money. Who control who we are able to v**e for.

We thus have two Parties in name only.

With this system we the general public argue one party against the other to the delight of Big Money.

I say this is a big reason we are in this mess.

Please state you views.


We do have 2 parties...unfortunately so far apart we have deadlock in decisions. For 2 years the stated goal of the one party was to insure the other party's President had no achievement (even if it meant no progress for the country). There was a suspicion that the President's party was playing the govt. shutdown for political advantage. Good grief.

By Big Money are you referring to Big Oil and Big Coal billionaires like the Koch brothers setting up PACs to elect candidates who deny c*****e c****e as has taken place here in Wisconsin? Denying c*****e c****e isn't a GOP plank but for Wisc. GOP Congress candidates it's a must. Sen. McCain & the former Dem Wisc. led a bipartisan effort to limit disportionate money in politics (ruled as against freedom of speech by Supreme Court). So guess who was way out-moneyed (Koch money) and unexpectedly lost in re-e******n contest? The money-elected candidate was Sen. Ron Johnson, WI, notorious for statements debunking c*****e c****e. Of course, the Dem party also has its big money financers also but not quite so notorious.

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Oct 26, 2013 19:01:04   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
jonhatfield wrote:
We do have 2 parties...unfortunately so far apart we have deadlock in decisions. For 2 years the stated goal of the one party was to insure the other party's President had no achievement (even if it meant no progress for the country). There was a suspicion that the President's party was playing the govt. shutdown for political advantage. Good grief.

By Big Money are you referring to Big Oil and Big Coal billionaires like the Koch brothers setting up PACs to elect candidates who deny c*****e c****e as has taken place here in Wisconsin? Denying c*****e c****e isn't a GOP plank but for Wisc. GOP Congress candidates it's a must. Sen. McCain & the former Dem Wisc. led a bipartisan effort to limit disportionate money in politics (ruled as against freedom of speech by Supreme Court). So guess who was way out-moneyed (Koch money) and unexpectedly lost in re-e******n contest? The money-elected candidate was Sen. Ron Johnson, WI, notorious for statements debunking c*****e c****e. Of course, the Dem party also has its big money financers also but not quite so notorious.
We do have 2 parties...unfortunately so far apart ... (show quote)


Big Money to me is some one that has so much money They can throw it a way buying v**es.

Yes there are two party's but that is for show only.

They are there to distract us only.

I want to call attention to the fact that most of the wealth is in only a few hands.Those with the money use the money to make more money. So on & so forth.

It is time to stop blaming the Right or the Left & put the blame on those that spend the money they make off of us to
buy v**es in Congress. Then we need to blame those that sell their v**es also.

Perhaps we should send thanks to a Congressman the speaks out against Big Money.

When enough of us call out in unison they will hear us.

Leaders are not leaders until they have that first follower.

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Oct 27, 2013 00:46:56   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Big Money to me is some one that has so much money They can throw it a way buying v**es.

Yes there are two party's but that is for show only.

They are there to distract us only.

I want to call attention to the fact that most of the wealth is in only a few hands.Those with the money use the money to make more money. So on & so forth.

It is time to stop blaming the Right or the Left & put the blame on those that spend the money they make off of us to
buy v**es in Congress. Then we need to blame those that sell their v**es also.

Perhaps we should send thanks to a Congressman the speaks out against Big Money.

When enough of us call out in unison they will hear us.

Leaders are not leaders until they have that first follower.
Big Money to me is some one that has so much money... (show quote)


having " parties " is a way to keep average Americans engaged, give us a false sense of being in charge of our own Gov.

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Oct 27, 2013 01:49:00   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
having " parties " is a way to keep average Americans engaged, give us a false sense of being in charge of our own Gov.


I suppose that if you want to be a party to misleading people & truly think it is the best way to run a Nation.

I guess that best thing I can say is for you to look at what you said & restate it.

Now I have said some thing close to what you have said but it was stated "Big Money wants to keep the two party system in play because it keeps people distracted from real issues."

Or some thing like that.

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Oct 27, 2013 08:44:37   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I suppose that if you want to be a party to misleading people & truly think it is the best way to run a Nation.

I guess that best thing I can say is for you to look at what you said & restate it.

Now I have said some thing close to what you have said but it was stated "Big Money wants to keep the two party system in play because it keeps people distracted from real issues."

Or some thing like that.


that is true but party top leaders collude in this.

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Oct 27, 2013 10:26:43   #
RussD
 
until lobbyists are outlawed it will not change.

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Oct 27, 2013 11:28:55   #
bruce1954
 
The "Right" & the "left" are just pawns of the few in the big picture.

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Oct 27, 2013 11:52:55   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
that is true but party top leaders collude in this.


I will take that as we agree some what on this point.

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Oct 27, 2013 12:04:22   #
Richard Griffith
 
Does not matter who is President!!! The Super rich 1% Own more than half of the worlds wealth>Money rules/POWER n CONTROL is what it is all about!!! All wars are about MONEY. The 1%ers make money off both sides of war and they get their way with our lame ass Congress and Presidents or they too could wind up like the Kennedy Bros!!! 4th Reich/New World Order is slowly taking over America n Europe!!!Petro-dollar has to be the One World Currency or America will be decimated to a third world country!!

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Oct 27, 2013 12:13:33   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Richard Griffith wrote:
Does not matter who is President!!! The Super rich 1% Own more than half of the worlds wealth>Money rules/POWER n CONTROL is what it is all about!!! All wars are about MONEY. The 1%ers make money off both sides of war and they get their way with our lame ass Congress and Presidents or they too could wind up like the Kennedy Bros!!! 4th Reich/New World Order is slowly taking over America n Europe!!!Petro-dollar has to be the One World Currency or America will be decimated to a third world country!!
Does not matter who is President!!! The Super rich... (show quote)


That is a large part of the mess that needs cleaning up.

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Oct 27, 2013 15:19:10   #
LurkingTom Loc: North Dakota
 
There are really two parties.

democrats/republicans = one and the same party.

libertarians = the other party.

democrat = schoolyard bully who beats you up for your lunch money.
republican = schoolyard bully who takes your lunch money to protect you from the other schoolyard bully.

libertarian = helps by keeping the other bullies from harming you.

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Oct 27, 2013 15:45:51   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
RussD wrote:
until lobbyists are outlawed it will not change.


that will never happen. I mean, if you had a second income stream, one that was VERY lucrative, would you up and say " I can't get that money anymore. "?

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Oct 27, 2013 15:49:05   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
That is a large part of the mess that needs cleaning up.


the way to clean most messes is to sweep it up and put it in the garbage. When you try to throw out some ones favorite clown doll, they want to keep it. what to do if the mess is composed entirely of clown dolls?

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