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Oct 25, 2013 08:41:21   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
OBAMACARE saves money and LOWERS the deficit

Although the cost of Obamacare is estimated at 710 Billion dollars, the overall impact of Obamacare is to save money, making up for that expense and more.

Here is the paragraph from the Congressional Budget Office that states the 710 Billion cost is made up for in savings inherent to Obamacare.

"Those amounts do not reflect the total budgetary impact of the ACA. That legislation includes many other provisions that, on net, will reduce budget deficits. Taking the coverage provisions and other provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the ACA will reduce deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade."

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Oct 25, 2013 08:56:05   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
AnnMarie wrote:
OBAMACARE saves money and LOWERS the deficit

Although the cost of Obamacare is estimated at 710 Billion dollars, the overall impact of Obamacare is to save money, making up for that expense and more.

Here is the paragraph from the Congressional Budget Office that states the 710 Billion cost is made up for in savings inherent to Obamacare.

"Those amounts do not reflect the total budgetary impact of the ACA. That legislation includes many other provisions that, on net, will reduce budget deficits. Taking the coverage provisions and other provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the ACA will reduce deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade."
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Do you think the "hidden tax increases" may have something to do with it?? Most of it isn't "savings", it's "tax and fee increases".
As we have continually seen, the more money we give the government, the more they will spend. "The next ten years" extrapolation doesn't mean a thing. In the next thee years, the government will "give" more money away than all the supposed "savings" the ACA could ever generate.

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Oct 25, 2013 09:15:27   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
AnnMarie wrote:
OBAMACARE saves money and LOWERS the deficit

Although the cost of Obamacare is estimated at 710 Billion dollars, the overall impact of Obamacare is to save money, making up for that expense and more.

Here is the paragraph from the Congressional Budget Office that states the 710 Billion cost is made up for in savings inherent to Obamacare.

"Those amounts do not reflect the total budgetary impact of the ACA. That legislation includes many other provisions that, on net, will reduce budget deficits. Taking the coverage provisions and other provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the ACA will reduce deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade."
OBAMACARE saves money and LOWERS the deficit br b... (show quote)


Wow, somebody who believes the CBO - they've never been correct yet - and what is the date of this report, how much has it changed?

Common sense would lead anyone with a lick of understanding to realize adding IRS agents and Navigators to the health care system while lowering the incentive for real health care providers is not likely to provide lower health care costs - unless more people die younger because fo the lack of care.

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Oct 25, 2013 09:18:59   #
Blue Flu Loc: HHI
 
AnnMarie wrote:
OBAMACARE saves money and LOWERS the deficit

Although the cost of Obamacare is estimated at 710 Billion dollars, the overall impact of Obamacare is to save money, making up for that expense and more.

Here is the paragraph from the Congressional Budget Office that states the 710 Billion cost is made up for in savings inherent to Obamacare.

"Those amounts do not reflect the total budgetary impact of the ACA. That legislation includes many other provisions that, on net, will reduce budget deficits. Taking the coverage provisions and other provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the ACA will reduce deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade."
OBAMACARE saves money and LOWERS the deficit br b... (show quote)

A Government managed program this size will have too many unforeseen cost overruns to make your initial statement valid. Massive fraud alone probably wasn't part of the CBO equation. Saving and securing their jobs was a more urgent priority than t***h. You know how vindictive Obama can be. Anyone who'd cancel the annual Easter Egg Hunt on the WH lawn out of pure spite has to be appeased.
Just look at Government run Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. If you believe the rosy report by the CBO I have ocean front property in Kansas for sale.

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Oct 25, 2013 09:22:49   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
Dave wrote:
Wow, somebody who believes the CBO - they've never been correct yet - and what is the date of this report, how much has it changed?

Common sense would lead anyone with a lick of understanding to realize adding IRS agents and Navigators to the health care system while lowering the incentive for real health care providers is not likely to provide lower health care costs - unless more people die younger because fo the lack of care.


But back in the other post about single payer, all the tea bags who had not read the document to the end pasted it as proof the ACA would cost us 710Billion we cannot afford. It was a great reference then, when they unwittingly posted it to show Obamacare would take us down the path to wreck and ruin, but when further reading shows it SAVES money and lowers the deficit, suddenly it can no longer be trusted? This is what drives me crazy about republicans-when they get information that is contrary to there views, they simply deny the information and continue on their mistaken views.

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Oct 25, 2013 09:27:39   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
AnnMarie wrote:
OBAMACARE saves money and LOWERS the deficit

Although the cost of Obamacare is estimated at 710 Billion dollars, the overall impact of Obamacare is to save money, making up for that expense and more.

Here is the paragraph from the Congressional Budget Office that states the 710 Billion cost is made up for in savings inherent to Obamacare.

"Those amounts do not reflect the total budgetary impact of the ACA. That legislation includes many other provisions that, on net, will reduce budget deficits. Taking the coverage provisions and other provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the ACA will reduce deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade."
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More i***tic, warped, and just plain Bulls**t from the C*******t AnnMarie. Anybody who believes any of this crap she espouses is an ignorant fool.

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Oct 25, 2013 09:42:43   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
AnnMarie wrote:
But back in the other post about single payer, all the tea bags who had not read the document to the end pasted it as proof the ACA would cost us 710Billion we cannot afford. It was a great reference then, when they unwittingly posted it to show Obamacare would take us down the path to wreck and ruin, but when further reading shows it SAVES money and lowers the deficit, suddenly it can no longer be trusted? This is what drives me crazy about republicans-when they get information that is contrary to there views, they simply deny the information and continue on their mistaken views.
But back in the other post about single payer, all... (show quote)


I am not a Republican, so wh**ever you feel about Republicans has no bearing on me. However, if you think Democrats are consistent on what they say, explain just one thing to me - Senator Obama thinking raising the debt limit when the debt was almost half of what it is today was a failure in leadership while President Obama has even advocated not even having a limit.

Meanwhile, there has never been a CBO forecast that was accurate - and I need nothing more than simple common sense to see the falsity of your and their contention.

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Oct 26, 2013 06:06:11   #
banpc27
 
AnnMarie wrote:
OBAMACARE saves money and LOWERS the deficit

Although the cost of Obamacare is estimated at 710 Billion dollars, the overall impact of Obamacare is to save money, making up for that expense and more.

Here is the paragraph from the Congressional Budget Office that states the 710 Billion cost is made up for in savings inherent to Obamacare.

"Those amounts do not reflect the total budgetary impact of the ACA. That legislation includes many other provisions that, on net, will reduce budget deficits. Taking the coverage provisions and other provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the ACA will reduce deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade."
OBAMACARE saves money and LOWERS the deficit br b... (show quote)


actually,, the cost is now 1.3 trillion,,,thats not counting the 600 million for the website,,,oh yeah, and the 300 million more to fix the website that never worked in the first place..............

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Oct 26, 2013 06:11:37   #
banpc27
 
AnnMarie wrote:
But back in the other post about single payer, all the tea bags who had not read the document to the end pasted it as proof the ACA would cost us 710Billion we cannot afford. It was a great reference then, when they unwittingly posted it to show Obamacare would take us down the path to wreck and ruin, but when further reading shows it SAVES money and lowers the deficit, suddenly it can no longer be trusted? This is what drives me crazy about republicans-when they get information that is contrary to there views, they simply deny the information and continue on their mistaken views.
But back in the other post about single payer, all... (show quote)


HAHAHAHA ,boy they got you ,,hook line and sinker :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Oct 26, 2013 08:43:59   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
OldSchool wrote:
More i***tic, warped, and just plain Bulls**t from the C*******t AnnMarie. Anybody who believes any of this crap she espouses is an ignorant fool.


Wasn't from me, it was from the report of the congressional budget office that you sent me.

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Oct 26, 2013 08:46:55   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
Blue Flu wrote:
A Government managed program this size will have too many unforeseen cost overruns to make your initial statement valid. Massive fraud alone probably wasn't part of the CBO equation. Saving and securing their jobs was a more urgent priority than t***h. You know how vindictive Obama can be. Anyone who'd cancel the annual Easter Egg Hunt on the WH lawn out of pure spite has to be appeased.
Just look at Government run Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. If you believe the rosy report by the CBO I have ocean front property in Kansas for sale.
A Government managed program this size will have t... (show quote)


With c*****e c****e Fayetteville AK will be on the gulf, so it could happen :) But, you must admit that it is the CBO's job to look at the whole picture, and they say it saves money. You cannot say it does not, unless you have some FACTS that say otherwise, not just an opinion of yours that is the opposite of the CBO.

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Oct 26, 2013 09:11:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
OldSchool wrote:
More i***tic, warped, and just plain Bulls**t from the C*******t AnnMarie. Anybody who believes any of this crap she espouses is an ignorant fool.


Old School, I can not get a handle on you. Your post tend to be full of accusations and twisted facts without authentic references. AnnMarie posts a direct quote and you will not give it any credence or fact check it on your own..You call it crap without any investigation at all.. Watch out you may fit the tea-party stereotype. Even name calling of Ann...Be an adult my man...

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Oct 26, 2013 10:48:03   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
AnnMarie-try this rule of thumb-anytime you get a CBO number multiply it by 3 and you will be much closer to the actual cost. Obamacare started out costing about 900 billion which is now revised to 1.4 trillion or so. Then add the cost of all the glitches and we have 1.9 trillion. The majority of people signing up are Medicaid patients taking advantage of the expanded Medicaid-again another outlay for the government with no revenue. This monster cannot work unless young people who will pay full premium sign up in droves and it is not happening because most cannot afford the cost. It would have been much simpler to embrace the republican proposal to allow everyone to participate in the health plan that insures federal workers. It, however, would not provide the democrats the control that they want so they would not even consider such an action. It does not make much sense to expect a younger person to pay higher premiums for plans with less coverage especially when their hours are being cut. If they could not afford health insurance when working full time, how can they afford it working part time ? This is an ill conceived plan by Zeke Emmanuel who lives in a fantasy world. It was sold to Obama by he and his brother Rahm and passed by democrats none of whom know what is in it to this date. Maybe this plan will help you personally Ann, but it is hurting too many of our people as written. Good Luck America!!!

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Oct 26, 2013 11:31:00   #
RussD
 
Dave wrote:
Wow, somebody who believes the CBO - they've never been correct yet - and what is the date of this report, how much has it changed?

Common sense would lead anyone with a lick of understanding to realize adding IRS agents and Navigators to the health care system while lowering the incentive for real health care providers is not likely to provide lower health care costs - unless more people die younger because fo the lack of care.


for the sake of us less enlightened. Could you please cite an instance where the CBO is way off the mark?
It is easy to say they are wrong. Harder to prove it.

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Oct 26, 2013 12:50:25   #
Richard94611
 
Snowbear, you have not included any serious information in this post -- just accusation and innuendo. Go back and give us facts and statistics for your asseertion.



snowbear37 wrote:
Do you think the "hidden tax increases" may have something to do with it?? Most of it isn't "savings", it's "tax and fee increases".
As we have continually seen, the more money we give the government, the more they will spend. "The next ten years" extrapolation doesn't mean a thing. In the next thee years, the government will "give" more money away than all the supposed "savings" the ACA could ever generate.

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