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Oct 15, 2013 18:10:17   #
BoJester
 
Some t***hs that the i***ts and teatards will reject becuse of the lies from the fools at faux and fat limburg. But the t***h is the t***h, just like putting lipstick on pigs or palin.



http://wallstc***tsheet.com/stocks/why-does-the-gop-really-h**e-obamacare.html/?a=viewall

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Oct 15, 2013 18:17:20   #
TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon
 
BoJester wrote:
Some t***hs that the i***ts and teatards will reject becuse of the lies from the fools at faux and fat limburg. But the t***h is the t***h, just like putting lipstick on pigs or palin.



http://wallstc***tsheet.com/stocks/why-does-the-gop-really-h**e-obamacare.html/?a=viewall


This article written by someone outside the group, looking in, and offering an "Opinion."
Below I'd like to offer my Opinion. . .
Sorry this is a bit long, but here is a partial list of the big items that I have an issue with on the PPACA.

Navigators...Trained and certified, but ACA Navigators are not required to pass a background check. Some state run exchanges require them, but not all. The Republican Obstructionist argument comes from the liberal talking point, let's be objective in our exploration here, please. The ACA grants provided to many states was inadequate, as it was unevenly distributed. Red states were offered considerable less than blue states (based on population).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323463704578495431991530040.html

Medical Records: Those who go thru exchanges are permitting all their medical records to be recorded into a Gov't database managed by those who are excluded from HIPPA. Sure, I understand, that is a pretty bold statement I made. but it is based on PPACA section 1104 which give HHS Secretary free reign to make the rules. And, she did. . .
http://www.anthem.com/provider/noapplication/f1/s0/t0/pw_e196648.pdf?refer=ahpprovider
Having to report medical information to the IRS is, in of it self, a HIPPA violation. But, it will be required.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-12-09.pdf
*note, this is the current form,

Health and Welfare home visits: Anyone who puts their children into the exchange could be subject to home visits to inspect the health and welfare of these children (no warrants needed). Each state, and many localities, have a Child Protective Services (or named something similar). A healthcare provider is already required, by law, to report suspected events of abuse. Many question the tactics used by many CPS's (but, that is an all different topic). A family shouldn't have to surrender their 4th amendment rights obtaining health care. Then, there's the issue of what is the acceptable standard (Manhattan is very different than Louisiana swamp). Wouldn't you agree this may be better handled locally than one-size-fits-all federal view?


MIECHV is authorized under the Social Security Act, Title V, Section 511 (42 USC 711), as amended by Section 2951 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Pub. L. No. 111-148).
http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title05/0511.htm


Massive Cancellation by Gov't mandate and insurers declining to participate in the exchanges:
There are a number of good sources on this one. AP story --> http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/29/AP-Many-Will-Have-Insurance-Cancelled-...

There is also massive indirect cancellations caused by PPACA. The impact has already been felt, by the companies offering plans less than what the Gov't has approved or provide the price point dictated as acceptable to participate. You can google any of these, they are all in the news.

California - Aetna, UnitedHealth, and Anthem Blue Cross are cancelling all subscribers in this state. Right now 58,000 have received notices and being forced to the exchange. There are more to come.

Missouri - The state's largest hospital system BJC Healthcare system (13 hospitals- and the states renowned St. Louis Children's hospital)will not be covered by the exchanges largest insurer. 79,000 people affected.

Connecticut - Aetna (the nations 3d largest insurer) is pulling out, cancelling policies. They just can't offer plans at the demanded price point for the higher service level.

Maryland - Aenta/Coventry are not offered on the exchanges, because they cannot meet the price point demanded to participate. So, No Subsidy for you 13,000 guys and gals.

South Carolina - Medical Mutual of Ohio decided to leave the state entirely in July due to Obamacare’s “vast and quite complex” new regulations. 28,000 ouch.

New York - Aenta pulling out of the exchanges there too. No subsidies.

New Jersey - again Aetna opting to not be in the exchange, 1.1 million no subsidies for you. Many are on Company plans, which may throw them to the exchanges.

Iowa - Wellmark Blue Cross/Blue Shield - the states largest insurer, who sells 86% of individual policies decided not to participate in the exchange--no subsidies, sorry.

I'm sorry it's such a long list, there's more...

Georgia - Only five insurers are participating in the exchanges. Many have decided not to participate.

Wisconsin - Two of the three largest insurers are opting out.

I could go on. In the immortal words of Bill Clinton "I feel your pain."

Subsidies: Isn't nice that the Gov't provides subsidies for people to purchase health insurance.
First the definition of subsidies, "Monetary assistance granted by a government to a person or group in support of an enterprise regarded as being in the public interest." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/subsidies
Following that Gov't only gets money is by collecting it from others (well since we having difficulty selling T bills they are printing money like crazy--Qualative Easing is another subject). So, yes, collecting money from some to distribute to others does sound like wealth redistribution. Some redistribution can be defended as in the "public interest". Oil & Farm subsidies have very in-depth reasoning defending them. Student loans are repaid- not a subsidy. Nor is the Veterans Admin. -- I'm a veteran and it is an earned benefit for having served. There are numerous subsidies in our daily life, does that mean that any/or all of them can be defended as "in the public interest"?


The Gov't does has new insurance programs: Medicare, Medicaid, SS disability, Worker's Comp. Now, there's a new one, where you will find such quotations as, "Section 1101(g) of the Act does not specify exactly how HHS should allocate funds for the purpose of this program."
This is a good read, check out the eligibility requirement.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2010-07-30/pdf/2010-18691.pdf

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Oct 15, 2013 18:27:55   #
bruce1954
 
hey Boo, how come you're not over on the Defunding Obamacare thread? Oh that's right, you can't argue with the facts, so you start your own thread. typical. :lol:

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Oct 15, 2013 19:28:27   #
BoJester
 
brucie, thanks for proving bobby jindal is still right about teatards





bruce1954 wrote:
hey Boo, how come you're not over on the Defunding Obamacare thread? Oh that's right, you can't argue with the facts, so you start your own thread. typical. :lol:

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Oct 15, 2013 19:35:59   #
Vacaman
 
Hey Tim, thanks for the information and source strings, very informative. Bojester doctor hasn't Approved the Prozac yet eh?

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Oct 15, 2013 19:47:29   #
BoJester
 
brucie, defunding ain't gonna happen. I***ts like you should know that




bruce1954 wrote:
hey Boo, how come you're not over on the Defunding Obamacare thread? Oh that's right, you can't argue with the facts, so you start your own thread. typical. :lol:

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Oct 15, 2013 21:10:42   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
BoJester wrote:
brucie, defunding ain't gonna happen. I***ts like you should know that


HaHaHaHa!!! It's already defunding it's self due to all the masses signing up and forking over their money!!! Have you heard the numbers? It needs 7 million. You are at 51,000 now. It's a failure!! Have you signed up yet?? BLAA.HAHAHAHA!!!!...

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Oct 15, 2013 22:21:43   #
bruce1954
 
BoJester wrote:
brucie, thanks for proving bobby jindal is still right about teatards


For your info, i'm not a tea party affiliate.
How's it feel to be wrong so many times, numbnuts.

And BTY, brucie is what my mother affectionately call me when I was a young boy, thanks for the fond memories.

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Oct 15, 2013 22:23:30   #
bruce1954
 
BoJester wrote:
brucie, defunding ain't gonna happen. I***ts like you should know that


Me thinks your head is somewhere dark & stinky.

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Oct 15, 2013 23:04:49   #
BoJester
 
So bruuuuuccie, you claim not to be a teatard, but sound as stupid and unhinged as they. You must be very embarassed to so uninformed.






bruce1954 wrote:
For your info, i'm not a tea party affiliate.
How's it feel to be wrong so many times, numbnuts.

And BTY, brucie is what my mother affectionately call me when I was a young boy, thanks for the fond memories.

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Oct 15, 2013 23:06:07   #
BoJester
 
What is your major malfunction bruuuuuuccie?







bruce1954 wrote:
Me thinks your head is somewhere dark & stinky.

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Oct 15, 2013 23:21:10   #
bruce1954
 
BoJester wrote:
What is your major malfunction bruuuuuuccie?


Bo's gettin angry he he.

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Oct 16, 2013 08:10:59   #
stan3186
 
bruce1954 wrote:
For your info, i'm not a tea party affiliate.
How's it feel to be wrong so many times, numbnuts.

And BTY, brucie is what my mother affectionately call me when I was a young boy, thanks for the fond memories.


Too bad you mother didn't have the Libertards right to on demand a******n back then

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Oct 16, 2013 18:55:30   #
TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon
 
Funny how these threads can take such a predictable turn following a reasoned (supported) post.

Wanna see how it will always turn? --> It will be one of these twelve rules being used...
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/04/13/12_ways_to_use_saul_alinskys_rules_for_radicals_against_liberals/page/full

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Oct 16, 2013 23:03:54   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
BoJester wrote:
brucie, defunding ain't gonna happen. I***ts like you should know that


Nope. Its going to die the death of 1000 cuts. Slowly. Your lord and savior's unworkable plan won't last past his presidency, and real conservatives, pal, haven't even begun to fight! You think its over. Just continue thinking that.

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