The grand jury tasked with deciding whether or not to indict Cleveland police officers Frank Garmback and Timothy Loehmann in connection with 12-year-old Tamir Rices death never actually voted on the matter, Cleveland Scene magazine reported on Wednesday.
This story has been updated
If it is true that the prosecutor didnt even call for an up or down vote on potential criminal charges, including aggravated murder, then it is truly the ultimate insult to the Rice family, said an attorney for the childs family, Subodh Chandra. The prosecutor didnt even think it mattered to bring the grand jury proceedings to their proper conclusion.
Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGinty announced on Dec. 28 that the jurors had declined to indict the two officers. But according to Cleveland Scene, officials with the county clerks office said that there is no document on file showing how the decision was reached.
Standard grand jury procedure calls for two possible outcomes: jurors can vote for a true bill, meaning charges are to be filed; or they can vote for a no bill a decision not to do so. Whenever jurors vote for a no bill, a separate document called a no-bill documentation is retained for a countys records.
But no such document is present in the clerks office for Cuyahoga County, or in the office of Common Pleas Judge Nancy McDonnell, who oversaw the grand jury proceedings.
Cleveland Scene also reported that according to one clerk, if the mysterious document existed, it would take an order from Administrative and Presiding Judge John J. Russo for it to be made available to reporters.
However, Russo said in a phone interview that When you say document, Im not sure what you mean. I dont know what that is. Its either a true bill or a no bill.
McGinty, who is seeking re-election despite protests against him, has refused to release the grand jurys testimony.
Will you be joining the Fergusen and Baltimore refugee's for the Valentine Day pillaging, burning and looting in Cleveland?
PoppaGringo wrote:
Will you be joining the Fergusen and Baltimore refugee's for the Valentine Day pillaging, burning and looting in Cleveland?
free people are not equal-equal people are not free.
I cannot understand how a whole criminal justice system can just disregard what was done to that child and his family and the community.
How do the authorities justify the inaction and lack of responsibility?
moldyoldy wrote:
The grand jury tasked with deciding whether or not to indict Cleveland police officers Frank Garmback and Timothy Loehmann in connection with 12-year-old Tamir Rices death never actually voted on the matter, Cleveland Scene magazine reported on Wednesday.
This story has been updated
If it is true that the prosecutor didnt even call for an up or down vote on potential criminal charges, including aggravated murder, then it is truly the ultimate insult to the Rice family, said an attorney for the childs family, Subodh Chandra. The prosecutor didnt even think it mattered to bring the grand jury proceedings to their proper conclusion.
Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGinty announced on Dec. 28 that the jurors had declined to indict the two officers. But according to Cleveland Scene, officials with the county clerks office said that there is no document on file showing how the decision was reached.
Standard grand jury procedure calls for two possible outcomes: jurors can vote for a true bill, meaning charges are to be filed; or they can vote for a no bill a decision not to do so. Whenever jurors vote for a no bill, a separate document called a no-bill documentation is retained for a countys records.
But no such document is present in the clerks office for Cuyahoga County, or in the office of Common Pleas Judge Nancy McDonnell, who oversaw the grand jury proceedings.
Cleveland Scene also reported that according to one clerk, if the mysterious document existed, it would take an order from Administrative and Presiding Judge John J. Russo for it to be made available to reporters.
However, Russo said in a phone interview that When you say document, Im not sure what you mean. I dont know what that is. Its either a true bill or a no bill.
McGinty, who is seeking re-election despite protests against him, has refused to release the grand jurys testimony.
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jelun wrote:
I cannot understand how a whole criminal justice system can just disregard what was done to that child and his family and the community.
How do the authorities justify the inaction and lack of responsibility?
Both of those cops should not have made the cut. One was rejected previously.
moldyoldy wrote:
Both of those cops should not have made the cut. One was rejected previously.
I suppose that is the accountability that some worry about. The concern is not about helping these two but in covering up for the mistakes in having them on the payroll.
It truly makes me sick.
Now to see what will happen with that lying twit who arrested Sandra.
I don't really expect the consequences to be too severe.
jelun wrote:
I suppose that is the accountability that some worry about. The concern is not about helping these two but in covering up for the mistakes in having them on the payroll.
It truly makes me sick.
Now to see what will happen with that lying twit who arrested Sandra.
I don't really expect the consequences to be too severe.
In the Bland case, he is charged with some minor violation. He is not called to answer for any of his criminal actions.
moldyoldy wrote:
In the Bland case, he is charged with some minor violation. He is not called to answer for any of his criminal actions.
Law enforcement is getting worse and worse.
I was stopped the other night, legitimately... I had a headlight out. Well, sort of called for, they were targeting my son who was sitting on his front steps waiting for me to pick him up.
Anyway, when I asked the trooper for his name and badge number he got ticked off and threatened me with another citation.
Not the end of the world, certainly better than being jailed and killed (and yes, I believe she was killed, that uppity B.) but a sign of what is happening. I should have pulled my phone out, but... the kid was nervous about being late for work.
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