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Jan 21, 2016 15:40:56   #
moldyoldy
 
The grand jury tasked with deciding whether or not to indict Cleveland police officers Frank Garmback and Timothy Loehmann in connection with 12-year-old Tamir Rice’s death never actually voted on the matter, Cleveland Scene magazine reported on Wednesday.

This story has been updated

“If it is true that the prosecutor didn’t even call for an up or down vote on potential criminal charges, including aggravated murder, then it is truly the ultimate insult to the Rice family,” said an attorney for the child’s family, Subodh Chandra. “The prosecutor didn’t even think it mattered to bring the grand jury proceedings to their proper conclusion.”

Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGinty announced on Dec. 28 that the jurors had “declined to indict” the two officers. But according to Cleveland Scene, officials with the county clerk’s office said that there is no document on file showing how the decision was reached.

Standard grand jury procedure calls for two possible outcomes: jurors can vote for a “true bill,” meaning charges are to be filed; or they can vote for a “no bill” — a decision not to do so. Whenever jurors vote for a “no bill,” a separate document called a “no-bill documentation” is retained for a county’s records.

But no such document is present in the clerk’s office for Cuyahoga County, or in the office of Common Pleas Judge Nancy McDonnell, who oversaw the grand jury proceedings.

Cleveland Scene also reported that according to one clerk, if the “mysterious document” existed, it would take an order from Administrative and Presiding Judge John J. Russo for it to be made available to reporters.

However, Russo said in a phone interview that “When you say ‘document,’ I’m not sure what you mean. I don’t know what that is. It’s either a true bill or a no bill.”

McGinty, who is seeking re-election despite protests against him, has refused to release the grand jury’s testimony.

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Jan 21, 2016 15:54:03   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Will you be joining the Fergusen and Baltimore refugee's for the Valentine Day pillaging, burning and looting in Cleveland?

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Feb 7, 2016 13:28:09   #
vernon
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
Will you be joining the Fergusen and Baltimore refugee's for the Valentine Day pillaging, burning and looting in Cleveland?



free people are not equal-equal people are not free.

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Mar 6, 2016 17:01:34   #
jelun
 
I cannot understand how a whole criminal justice system can just disregard what was done to that child and his family and the community.
How do the authorities justify the inaction and lack of responsibility?


moldyoldy wrote:
The grand jury tasked with deciding whether or not to indict Cleveland police officers Frank Garmback and Timothy Loehmann in connection with 12-year-old Tamir Rice’s death never actually voted on the matter, Cleveland Scene magazine reported on Wednesday.

This story has been updated

“If it is true that the prosecutor didn’t even call for an up or down vote on potential criminal charges, including aggravated murder, then it is truly the ultimate insult to the Rice family,” said an attorney for the child’s family, Subodh Chandra. “The prosecutor didn’t even think it mattered to bring the grand jury proceedings to their proper conclusion.”

Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGinty announced on Dec. 28 that the jurors had “declined to indict” the two officers. But according to Cleveland Scene, officials with the county clerk’s office said that there is no document on file showing how the decision was reached.

Standard grand jury procedure calls for two possible outcomes: jurors can vote for a “true bill,” meaning charges are to be filed; or they can vote for a “no bill” — a decision not to do so. Whenever jurors vote for a “no bill,” a separate document called a “no-bill documentation” is retained for a county’s records.

But no such document is present in the clerk’s office for Cuyahoga County, or in the office of Common Pleas Judge Nancy McDonnell, who oversaw the grand jury proceedings.

Cleveland Scene also reported that according to one clerk, if the “mysterious document” existed, it would take an order from Administrative and Presiding Judge John J. Russo for it to be made available to reporters.

However, Russo said in a phone interview that “When you say ‘document,’ I’m not sure what you mean. I don’t know what that is. It’s either a true bill or a no bill.”

McGinty, who is seeking re-election despite protests against him, has refused to release the grand jury’s testimony.
The grand jury tasked with deciding whether or not... (show quote)

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Mar 6, 2016 17:20:31   #
moldyoldy
 
jelun wrote:
I cannot understand how a whole criminal justice system can just disregard what was done to that child and his family and the community.
How do the authorities justify the inaction and lack of responsibility?


Both of those cops should not have made the cut. One was rejected previously.

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Mar 6, 2016 19:51:29   #
jelun
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Both of those cops should not have made the cut. One was rejected previously.


I suppose that is the accountability that some worry about. The concern is not about helping these two but in covering up for the mistakes in having them on the payroll.
It truly makes me sick.
Now to see what will happen with that lying twit who arrested Sandra.
I don't really expect the consequences to be too severe.

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Mar 6, 2016 20:53:20   #
moldyoldy
 
jelun wrote:
I suppose that is the accountability that some worry about. The concern is not about helping these two but in covering up for the mistakes in having them on the payroll.
It truly makes me sick.
Now to see what will happen with that lying twit who arrested Sandra.
I don't really expect the consequences to be too severe.


In the Bland case, he is charged with some minor violation. He is not called to answer for any of his criminal actions.

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Apr 18, 2016 06:02:05   #
jelun
 
moldyoldy wrote:
In the Bland case, he is charged with some minor violation. He is not called to answer for any of his criminal actions.



Law enforcement is getting worse and worse.
I was stopped the other night, legitimately... I had a headlight out. Well, sort of called for, they were targeting my son who was sitting on his front steps waiting for me to pick him up.
Anyway, when I asked the trooper for his name and badge number he got ticked off and threatened me with another citation.
Not the end of the world, certainly better than being jailed and killed (and yes, I believe she was killed, that uppity B.) but a sign of what is happening. I should have pulled my phone out, but... the kid was nervous about being late for work.

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