carolyn

Our elected officials had the audacity to attempt to again deceive us into believing that the sky was falling.

Are we exaggerating? Consider the fact that p**********l mouthpiece Jay Carney actually went so far as to say that a government shutdown would lead to the collapse of the world economy.

And when the government supposedly shut down, our elected officials somehow forgot to shut down their paychecks... and that's not right.

But our elected officials simply did not neglect to shutdown their salaries... they somehow forgot to tell us that 85% of government expenditures would be unaffected by this so-called shutdown.

That doesn't sound like a shutdown at all...it sounds like something more akin to what the American have been demanding for far too long... fiscal sanity.

runzwsissors Loc: Calhoun, GA

amen

Confused

Jessie Ventura has the right idea . V**E THEM ALL OUT ..

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

It's more like "an unscheduled, paid vacation".

Of course we are being deceived, we have been since obummer started talking when he was told to run for President.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

No, the President schedules his vacations. Golf anyone or how 'bout a weekend in Hawaii?

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Game playing 101, saw plenty of cops yesterday chasing one woman in a car, can you imagine if there were four terrorist types with explosives. This a selective shutdown and next comes the real thing. I would suggest if you have any money in the bank, get it so you have something to live on.

Pogo Loc: New Mexico via Carolinas

Jay Carney's incessant blathering has Pinocchio green with envy. Is it possible that he believes the nonsense he spouts? His parents must be proud.

If ObamaCare has a provision for retroactive a******n, I hereby propose Mr. Carney for consideration.

carolyn

Isn't he about the most sickening thing you have ever watched on camera? His little mouth twists, with his shifting snake eyes when he lies gives him away every time.

dhelix33

First, I would like to apologize to anyone that joins this group where I used ugly descriptive terms in reference to a political persuasion that did not match my Progressive opinion in previous threads. It obvious that there are polarized views on political opinion. That being said I would like to have a civil discussion on opinions from those who may identify themselves as Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, Conservative Republicans, Tea Party Republicans, or traditional Republicans. I will not use any terms to describe a person with an opinion that I disagree with using any derogatory name.

I believe that if we take time to use a forum in a constructive as opposed to destructive manner, we may begin to see communications where we agree on some topics, as well as points we don't agree on in a rational civil tone. So let me start...

Blue state, red state. Big government vs. small government. Gun rights vs. gun control. A******n control vs. pro choice. Common good for all Americans vs. Socialism. Today our country is driven by the politics of extremes. To paraphrase a humorist - Republicans think of Democrats as godless, unpatriotic, Volvo-driving, France-loving, elitist latte guzzlers, whereas Democrats dismiss Republicans as ignorant, NASCAR-obsessed, gun-fondling religious fanatics. An exaggeration, for sure, but the reality is still pretty stark. Congress is in a perpetual stalemate today because of the two parties' inability to find middle ground on practically anything - and driving America to revolt.

Don't let these politicians continue to manipulate and divide us. Can I get a consensus we who are republicans and democrats actually agree about the most important things? For instance, I believe republicans and democrats are both fed up with both the republican and democratic parties, because it has become obvious that both parties serve Wall Street and the military-industrial complex at the expense of Americans.

It’s an old tactic: Get your opponents to fight amongst themselves so that they will get weaker and you can pick them off one by one. Gaius Julius Caesar coined the phrase “divide et impera” (divide and conquer) to describe it. He used it in his war against the Gauls, but in the millennia since then it has also become a very common political strategy. Again and again, the ruling classes of various societies at various times have used this trick to keep the people in line, to make ordinary people fight each other - both literally and figuratively - and forget about the people who are really making the mess. It continues to be used today all over the world, sometimes with great success. But sometimes people figure out what’s going on, and refuse to be divided.

Whether the wedge being used is religion or employment status or race, the strategy is the same: divide and conquer. Corporate America knows that it cannot fight all Americans at once. So they must turn us against each other if they are to win. If we are to win - WE THE PEOPLE - must stand together!

MillerTime

We the People are being deceived by our government and if We the People don't do anything soon it could be to late. Currently in my opinion, we need to start looking at how the states are separating there districts. after the census has been taken, politicians use the information for purposes of restructuring there districts based on population and party. By doing this they enable themselves to set in concrete there permanent residence in Washington. They are only concerned about there district and could care less about what America as a whole needs. Check out some districts in Illinois, some areas look like ink spots. I'm interested to see if anyone has noticed this move by our elected officials and what other Americans might feel about this.

carolyn

Jesse Ventura had a lot of good ideas, but since he was not an accomplished orator, he was ridiculed by the honey-tongued liars that could spew out one lie after another. But the man had what most of the politicians in Washington lack. He had common sense.

carolyn

I agree if we stood together we could accomplish much more than we are. But how can anyone force themselves to agree on something so evidently wrong as Obamacare? I cannot force myself to agree on anything that I know will finish wrecking our constitution. My family came to this country in the late 1600's, and fought for our independence against England. Since then we have had numerous relatives who fought, bled and died to protect this country and constitution. In my immediate family my dad was wounded in WW1. My oldest brother was k**led in Italy in WW11. I had 4 brothers in WW11 and another brother was a POW for 27 months and 28 days in the Korean conflict. After what they did to save our country and constitution, I cannot force myself to condone a nightmare in which it will definitely destroy the same constitution and country they fought so hard to save.

dhelix33

I served 21 years with the United States Army. Understand well in the context of someone who has literally given blood, sweat and tears protecting and defending the constitution form enemies foreign and domestic. Can you please elaborate how the one law you have identified will "destroy the same constitution"?

As I recall this law was challenged before the Supreme Court - and the court said that the law was within Constitutional law.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Good question.

Say you wrote an order for supplies, sent that order in only to amend it the following morning and that order was delievered that morning minus those extra items, who's fault?

OK the bill was written, went before the court, was passed and then 19 amendments were added, same law?

Gatekeepersboss

Hung with Republicans and the Tea Party years ago, but had to cut them loose.
I tried to warn others as to what they were going to do.
Yes people, they think they are smart and the American people (v**ers) are stupid.
They have been practicing on you for more than 30 years.
If you want your child to do something, what do you do or say?
And you wonder why we are so fragmented. This is because they can control you better that way.
I will say it again people, what Republicans and the Tea Party say to you, not what they say behind closed doors. Sorry to have to say that, but it is the t***h.
I wish I had saved my warnings years ago. Anyway, good luck people. I wish you well.