jelun

You could see this coming. Oregon isn't really a surprise.
I believe that one way or another Mr. Bundy is incorrect when he claims that they will be living there for years.



http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/armed-militia-members-take-over-government-building-in-orego#.iq3bJy3D1q

Anigav6969

Crazy stuff.......can you Imagine if they were Muslim ??......this would be all over the news....and the people here on OPP would be going bonkers

jelun

Even on Facebook postings there are excuses galore. They are just peaceful protesters.
The reasoning or lack of reasoning is simply amazing. No thugs here just honest Americans who want to bully everyone.

Anigav6969

It is amazing isn't it......if you put this in the main section here, you'll get the same excuses I'm sure

jelun

So what do you think, another Ruby Ridge?

Anigav6969

I hope not....but these people are crazy....it can go any way

jelun

I hope not as well, I wonder if it is avoidable.
After all, they are looking for their version of 72 virgins. That would include being able to use this as a recruitment tool just as ISIS or al qaeda does with the occupation of the middle east.

Anigav6969

I think that's a good analogy .....have you seen this on the news at all.??....I haven't

jelun

No, just my news feeds on FB. Odd, eh?
Trump hasn't said anything about it so I suppose it isn't important.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

The only issues that it are interesting are:

-The Hammonds do not want their help

-The Bundy son, pays little in taxes to use federal lands.

The best approach is to ignore their "little tea party".

jelun

My understanding is that the feds TOLD the Hammonds that they are not interested in communicating with the terrorists from Nevada.
I am not sure which Bundy man you are referring to.
I find it interesting that when Ammon Bundy is making business decisions that he doesn't dislike the SBA and perhaps other divisions of the US gov't.
Which little party do you want to ignore?
The terrorists have been all over the southwest getting involved in anti-gov't actions.
It seems that the "broken windows" theory may have some validity in relation to right wing crazies.
They keep acting out, they are ignored, they push a bit harder.
But, you know, that is all OK cuz they are white.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Ammon Bundy was my reference. He borrowed about half million and apparently like his father doesn't like paying his bills.

vernon

why didnt i hear this from you guys during ferguson and baltimore?

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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If you were really listening, you would've heard (read actually) comments from libs and moderates regarding Ferguson and Baltimore. I suppose you were too busy participating in the 'intelllectual incest' that typical goes on in the conservative threads on the OPP.

While I commend the local, state and Federal LEO's for not responding to the lawlessness of the misguided, anti-government (unless the government is paying them money for something, then, they're most happy to accept it), gun-nuts (and, did I say law-breakers?), the actions of these few wackos are still, baby definition, illegal. That they wear their weapons like clothing, defying anyone from even thinking about trying to take their weapons away, only adds to the illegality of their actions.

In spite of their 2nd Admendment beliefs, it's still illegal to carry weapons (firearms especially) into Federal facilities. It so happens that the building they've "invaded" is Federal property. If for no other reason, i.e. trespassing, unlawful endangerment, and terroristic threatening, to name just a few charges, these numb-nuts are really no different than those who broke several laws during the demonstrations and riots that occurred in Furgeson and Baltimore.

Another difference between the actions in Oregon and those that occurred in Furgeson and Baltimore is the impetus of the actions. I must wonder how many of the 'good 'ol boys,' out in Oregon, took up arms and joined up with their fellow law breakers because one of their fellows was shot several times and killed on a public street? Whether or not the victim was a criminal, himself, is a separate issue.

Or, who while in police custody, another victim suffered injuries severe enough to cause death? Or, if the victim was only a child with his toy gun? Or, if the victim wasn't doing anything to warrant being suddenly shot several times, except to be crossing the street.

BTW - I'm not anti police. In fact, I'm very 'pro-police.' But, I do see a pattern of militarization in some of our police departments. As the gap between the haves and the have-nots grows over the past 20 years, the middle class and the minorities have felt the brunt of the discrepancy. As such, urban blight has increased. As the blight has increased so too has the animosity tuned to anger. And, anger is like a pressure cooker. At some point it explodes if not released or the pressure reduced.

I realize this is probably way above your ability to comprehend, Vernon, but, if you actually want to buy into the motto of one of the GOPTP's presidential candidates, Trump, and "Make America Great Again," you first need to be sure the middle class and the lower class are given a clear path to move upward and in mass; not just a relative few and not just because you guys think that you're being kind by letting some poor person have a break because you think you're being philanthropic. But, because their is a real path(s) to improve the economy for them and not just the rich folk.

vernon

just who loaned him 1/2 a mil?