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Nov 27, 2015 00:56:56   #
carbonyes52
 
Firm Believer in God and His Christ
Truly believe it is going to take a return to the Constitution and the traditional values of the Founding Fathers of this still great nation even though a bit bruised, tattered and torn.
Also believe that we are not obligated to follow "laws" that go against traditional and our foundational beliefs, e.g., the recent Supreme Court decision approving gay marriage and the doors that are being opened up thereby, which is considered to be only a stepping stone for their liberal destructive agenda.
Committed the rest of my life to turning this country around and back to the sound, conservative, God fearing values that made this country great.

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Nov 27, 2015 01:01:27   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
carbonyes52 wrote:
Firm Believer in God and His Christ
Truly believe it is going to take a return to the Constitution and the traditional values of the Founding Fathers of this still great nation even though a bit bruised, tattered and torn.
Also believe that we are not obligated to follow "laws" that go against traditional and our foundational beliefs, e.g., the recent Supreme Court decision approving gay marriage and the doors that are being opened up thereby, which is considered to be only a stepping stone for their liberal destructive agenda.
Committed the rest of my life to turning this country around and back to the sound, conservative, God fearing values that made this country great.
Firm Believer in God and His Christ br Truly belie... (show quote)


Welcome-welcome-welcome Good to have you here.

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Nov 27, 2015 01:08:27   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
carbonyes52 wrote:
Firm Believer in God and His Christ
Truly believe it is going to take a return to the Constitution and the traditional values of the Founding Fathers of this still great nation even though a bit bruised, tattered and torn.
Also believe that we are not obligated to follow "laws" that go against traditional and our foundational beliefs, e.g., the recent Supreme Court decision approving gay marriage and the doors that are being opened up thereby, which is considered to be only a stepping stone for their liberal destructive agenda.
Committed the rest of my life to turning this country around and back to the sound, conservative, God fearing values that made this country great.
Firm Believer in God and His Christ br Truly belie... (show quote)



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Nov 27, 2015 01:31:36   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
You just received your first message from the other side,most often referred to as "the Dark Side"

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Nov 27, 2015 04:51:04   #
okie don
 
The reason the Pilgrims left England was the Episcopalian religion.
ALL were being practically forced to follow this religious philosophy, from what my socialolgy prof told us in college.

No 'Free ' people should be 'forced' by their government to believe one religious theory or philosophy. Hence 'freedom of religion' is what the origional Constitution was about as I see it.
If we ALL were 'forced' to be a Catholic there would be r*******n. Seems to.me this is exactly what the Muslims are about. Either you believe in the Islamic religion or get 'beheaded'. (:

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Nov 27, 2015 06:40:13   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
carbonyes52 wrote:
Firm Believer in God and His Christ
Truly believe it is going to take a return to the Constitution and the traditional values of the Founding Fathers of this still great nation even though a bit bruised, tattered and torn.
Also believe that we are not obligated to follow "laws" that go against traditional and our foundational beliefs, e.g., the recent Supreme Court decision approving gay marriage and the doors that are being opened up thereby, which is considered to be only a stepping stone for their liberal destructive agenda.
Committed the rest of my life to turning this country around and back to the sound, conservative, God fearing values that made this country great.
Firm Believer in God and His Christ br Truly belie... (show quote)


Then, we must return to: Women have no v**e, cannot sign legal documents or hold title to property. Only land owners have a right to v**e. Only white men who own land may v**e. One may indenture another to satisfy a debt. Lots of other unsavory "values".

The thing is, the founding fathers were as fallible as anyone else - but they did the best they could with what they had to work with. Many of them were against s***ery, even back then, but knew that ending it was just not feasible "at that time". The Constitution was written in a way that allows us the freedom to improve upon it, when the "time" was right - which is why we have amendments.

The real t***h is, the Constitution merely outlines who has the power to mold the country and how that molding was to be accomplished - and puts the responsibility for all of it - squarely on the shoulders of "the people". That's us. WE decide how the country will be run - by who we hire to run it. WE have abrogated our responsibility to manage our employees, allowing them to set their own salaries, benefits, job descriptions, work hours, vacation lengths, retirement requirements and everything else. We even allowed them to "police" themselves, denying US the ability to discipline our own representatives.

The bottom line is, no party, no part of a party, nor any member of either - is responsible for the state of the union - we are, exclusively - because the Constitution says so, So, if I were you, I'd be careful about evoking the Constitution about anything, or even founding values - because you will not like where it puts YOU.

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Nov 27, 2015 06:55:15   #
okie don
 
First thing 'we the people'need to do is get rid of the 'CORPORATION' ( see Act of 1871)and get back to 'Organic or 'Common Law'.
Everything is 'Incorporated now. Sheriffs, police dept, everything.
Our nation is under Admiralty or Maritime Law under UCC codes.
A really great website which explains this is:
www.usavsus.info for those interested in seeing the difference between the Original DeJure Law and present DeFacto law we are under.

It explains the BAR ( British Accredited Registry) and difference between a 'Counselor in law and Esquire(British Royalty) Attorney or Lawyer...

Much to learn if interested here on the 'British plantation' we live in.

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Nov 27, 2015 07:14:07   #
nancyjess
 
We all are so sick of the agenda of this man in the oval office.
i am not even going to blame you liberals out there. i am an independent.. and choose the best man/woman that can uphold the constitution of The United States Of America !
If anyone is in doubt whether democratic leadership this time around,,, works? Do a research yourselves. Look at every democratic state ,, and see how they have done the past 7 years.
Right now they have the highest crime.. the most in debt.. the youths are going wild... murders in chicago 50 a weekend.. ! No one speaks about that ?? If every black life matters , where are they on this ? I have never seen such corruption in all my 75 yrs !
If we do not change this... we are done.... and the wave of crime won't just be in certain area's .. it will fill the once beautiful , free America. So check out the real problem.
Our values have been washed away... our family unit also has taken a beating... no fathers in the home... mothers having 5 babies , all different fathers.. = complete and utter wild and angry, and criminal behavior..! No one is taught manners anymore ...
we have to get back to structure with in the home.. honor... integrity, discipline. wake up everyone or were no longer going to be a free and safe country.

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Nov 27, 2015 07:17:06   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
nancyjess wrote:
We all are so sick of the agenda of this man in the oval office.
i am not even going to blame you liberals out there. i am an independent.. and choose the best man/woman that can uphold the constitution of The United States Of America !
If anyone is in doubt whether democratic leadership this time around,,, works? Do a research yourselves. Look at every democratic state ,, and see how they have done the past 7 years.
Right now they have the highest crime.. the most in debt.. the youths are going wild... murders in chicago 50 a weekend.. ! No one speaks about that ?? If every black life matters , where are they on this ? I have never seen such corruption in all my 75 yrs !
If we do not change this... we are done.... and the wave of crime won't just be in certain area's .. it will fill the once beautiful , free America. So check out the real problem.
Our values have been washed away... our family unit also has taken a beating... no fathers in the home... mothers having 5 babies , all different fathers.. = complete and utter wild and angry, and criminal behavior..! No one is taught manners anymore ...
we have to get back to structure with in the home.. honor... integrity, discipline. wake up everyone or were no longer going to be a free and safe country.
We all are so sick of the agenda of this man in t... (show quote)


Where did you come by that information - and that conclusion? Did you, perhaps, do the research yourself, or did you borrow someone else's? Most often, with knowing the SOURCE of such "information" - the results can be predicted - without reading a thing.

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Nov 27, 2015 07:20:09   #
nancyjess
 
The kids today feel hopeless.. no father in the home. No structure. Even the schools are going along with the " common core" which dumbs down kids... makes it easy , instead of pulling them up and making them great. ohhh no cannot do that. !!! Is so ridiculous .. These kids that are taught the easy way.. so that all kids can " pass " ! Those kids will never make it in the world.. they have not had the climb to success... they will feel the world is against them... because they cannot compete. Is this the agenda of ... our leader.. ? Our whole education process has been trampled on.. and left for dead. Just like our vets.. the medical insur. ! Military.. everything around us is crumbling. I never have been a negative person.. but i see this happening all around us. Wake up people.

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Nov 27, 2015 07:55:14   #
nancyjess
 
ipnmajor.. you are right on... its where you get the info. i am an elderly person.. and have seen the stages going through the cycles. and have the time for much research.! I do not go by one source. i read many books... look up statistics.. watch four different news channels , i go the library to read history.
You can do the same. Every one can. All you have to do is be open to the t***h,, unbiased. I have v**ed democratic and republican in my life. It seems the democrats in my life time , have moved soo far left , i cannot make sense of them at this time. i v**ed for JFK .. and Ronald Reagan.., I v**ed for the person , that had the " whole " country and all the american people , and holding to high ideals.. and constitution .
I believe Obama had the opportunity to help and be the first black president to show and example for all. He did not. i v**ed for him , thinking he would do that. I was so wrong. I am a woman and i would've v**ed for Hillary years ago... but she and her husband are in so deep / with their charity donations from other country's..they went from not being able to pay off their mortgage to multi millionairs . how do you do that ? i have not researched this.yet.! but the number is staggering !
then there is B******i ?? and using a public email server for highly secure information.. and signed a document in congress that she would never have email server that was not belonging to the government secure..servers. and she did anyway.. ! i am not going to v**e for anyone again... i do not know everything . first. i know our military is now degraded to as far back as W.W. 11.. OBAMA FIRED AND RETIRED ANY GENERALS that did not agree with him. Do not take my words for all this.. work at getting your own information.. this happens to be mine and alot of hard work..

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Nov 27, 2015 08:19:59   #
okie don
 
Much happening Nancy that's not good for Americans.

The absolute worst IMHO is the NDAA aka 'Patriot Act'.

Now you can be picked up, take you to an unknown location lock you up without a trial!
How 'bout them apples in the "land of the FREE,"?

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Nov 27, 2015 11:21:16   #
jelun
 
Another true believer... argyle?

carbonyes52 wrote:
Firm Believer in God and His Christ
Truly believe it is going to take a return to the Constitution and the traditional values of the Founding Fathers of this still great nation even though a bit bruised, tattered and torn.
Also believe that we are not obligated to follow "laws" that go against traditional and our foundational beliefs, e.g., the recent Supreme Court decision approving gay marriage and the doors that are being opened up thereby, which is considered to be only a stepping stone for their liberal destructive agenda.
Committed the rest of my life to turning this country around and back to the sound, conservative, God fearing values that made this country great.
Firm Believer in God and His Christ br Truly belie... (show quote)

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Nov 27, 2015 13:52:25   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
nancyjess wrote:
ipnmajor.. you are right on... its where you get the info. i am an elderly person.. and have seen the stages going through the cycles. and have the time for much research.! I do not go by one source. i read many books... look up statistics.. watch four different news channels , i go the library to read history.
You can do the same. Every one can. All you have to do is be open to the t***h,, unbiased. I have v**ed democratic and republican in my life. It seems the democrats in my life time , have moved soo far left , i cannot make sense of them at this time. i v**ed for JFK .. and Ronald Reagan.., I v**ed for the person , that had the " whole " country and all the american people , and holding to high ideals.. and constitution .
I believe Obama had the opportunity to help and be the first black president to show and example for all. He did not. i v**ed for him , thinking he would do that. I was so wrong. I am a woman and i would've v**ed for Hillary years ago... but she and her husband are in so deep / with their charity donations from other country's..they went from not being able to pay off their mortgage to multi millionairs . how do you do that ? i have not researched this.yet.! but the number is staggering !
then there is B******i ?? and using a public email server for highly secure information.. and signed a document in congress that she would never have email server that was not belonging to the government secure..servers. and she did anyway.. ! i am not going to v**e for anyone again... i do not know everything . first. i know our military is now degraded to as far back as W.W. 11.. OBAMA FIRED AND RETIRED ANY GENERALS that did not agree with him. Do not take my words for all this.. work at getting your own information.. this happens to be mine and alot of hard work..
ipnmajor.. you are right on... its where you get t... (show quote)


That's fantastic! I wasn't questioning your conclusions, necessarily, merely trying determine HOW you came to them. Far too often, folks simply repeat what sounds good to them - without giving the content any thought. I also have been disappointed in every single party/politician for the last 20 years and have always been Independent and non partisan.

We live in a "me first, party second - people third or not at all" world - and it doesn't appear ready to change.

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Nov 27, 2015 15:05:37   #
nancyjess
 
thanks ipnmajor ... were on board.

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