OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

A point-by-point counter-argument to the Left.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/black-on-white-violence-why-it-matters/

Thinkmanvt

Before I start, it should be obvious, but I do not condone murder -- by anyone. I am attempting to see what this writer is advocating.

The most interesting point (for me) is the final statement "And it most certainly is mandatory that all morally committed people start assigning this issue (i.e. Black-on-White Violence, my insertion for clarity) the priority that it deserves."

What is the priority it deserves? In 2011, there were 14,612 murders reported nationwide(via the FBI Uniform Crime Reports). Of these, the victim and offender are known in 5718 cases. And amongst these cases with data on both the victim and offender, there are only 641 that are mixes of Black & White. The offender is Black (and victim White) in 70% of these cases (448). Even scaling this up by 14612/5718 on the assumption that the unknown cases are similarly distributed that would yield 1145 murders nationwide in Black Offender k**ls White Victim (and 493 where White Offender k**ls Black Victim). There would be (by this same calculation) 6721 White-White murders and 6253 Black-Black murders.

The writer dismisses that all murders are horrible irrespective of race of the parties involved -- there is something special about racial confrontations. His implied message is that these 7.8% of murders should have high priority. If we as a nation could totally eliminate this group of Black-k**ls-White murders by concentrating extra resources on it (to the presumed loss of those resources elsewhere), we would still have 92% of the murders we do now. By way of context, there were 16465 murders in 2008, so the the first three years of the Obama administration murders dropped by 11%.

So, it may be arguable that these are the most important crimes to prevent to the detriment of our ability to drop the incidents and rates of violent crime of all types. But, if you accept the premises that this is a special target for doing something, what do you do? The writer dismisses that there are "justifiable" reasons why black people may be angry (or needy, or frustrated). I do not think it matters if the reasons are justified -- the anger (need, frustration) exists. So what do you do to calm and ease these emotions and needs? The social engineering in place (and often objected to be many of the contributors here) is to use our institutions (government support, churches, business laws) to "correct" the perceived unfairness in opportunity and respect. There are no FBI data (that I found) which shows the income brackets of the victims and offenders in those crimes, but I doubt that are many 1%er Black offenders (at least probably more 1%er White victims). Does that make this writer's article a call for the richer portion of the population to pay more into the government/charities and hire more employees for non-poverty wages for their own protection and security? Or is there an undisclosed and cheaper way to "solve" this "high priority problem" that he has in mind? Or did the writer very subtly suggest you do the math and realize that these 1200 deaths a year pale besides, say, the 33,000 deaths from accidental poisoning or 26,000 from accidental falls. There certainly are more likely and more preventable ways to die than being a White person k**led by a Black person.

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

Okay, statician, here is one for you:

If it takes two men two hours to pack a canoe up hill backwards, how many pancakes does it take to cover a log cabin?

Loki Loc: Georgia

I would like to point out that of both the black on white, and black on black murders, the offenders were almost all black males between the ages of 15 and 45, roughly 6-8% of the population. B****s in this age group are per capita something like 7 or 8 times more likely to commit a murder. If you include all violent black and white crimes, the figure of black offenders rises to nearly 90%, once again, this same age and sex group. You are also neglecting the fact that Hispanics are included in the white victims, and that non-Hispanic w****s are by far the most common victims of interracial crime. I might also add that the success rate of black offenders on armed non-Hispanic white victims is less than 5%.

Thinkmanvt

I think that there is a higher than mathematically predicted incidence of violence amongst Black males is established. The questions (raised by the article) are (1) Is it important enough to do something "high priority" about and (2) if so, what do we do? Making murder against the law makes no difference. Making "h**e" illegal seems to reverse the statistics and find more White-on-Black instances of racially biased crimes (3 White offenders per each Black offender).

So, if crime requires means, opportunity, and motive, where is the entry point for taking action to alleviate the problem? The means and opportunity seem unchangeable, thus motive seems like the only target. While there can be a fairly diverse range of motives, if Black-on-White violence is the special target, we can concentrate on the questions of why B****s k**l (or simply attack) W****s. I do not know the answer, but might hypothesize that anger, frustration, and "nothing more to lose" emotions may be more often involved than lust, greed, and competitive rivalry. So, how do we make the violent Black males (of whom there are some hundreds of thousands amongst a national population of 20 million) feel less inclined to use violence (either amongst themselves or in interracial encounters)?

And, Old School, my memory (from long ago youth) is the a can of Log Cabin syrup held a quart. Two canoeists hungry from a long portage will on average use one ounce per short stack (3 pancakes of 6 inch diameter). So it will take 96 pancakes to finish off a log cabin.

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

Touche! LOL!
:-D

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Thats funny! This guys good!

:-P :-P

willy7

see what you think of this.

Gatekeepersboss

I started paying attention to the news about these crimes.
What I noticed is that if the person was black they would say so and show a photo of that person, if the perp was white, than 99 1/2% of the time it would not be mentioned.
The upswing in crime got worse when prayer in schools were banned.

Loki Loc: Georgia

That's because 99.5% of the time the perp is black.