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Sep 11, 2013 12:54:16   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
weneedrubio wrote:
Citizens United reinforced the constitution and free speech. Your argument is that spending your money as you see fit is not free speech and that is dead wrong. It's called "FREEDOM" something liberals only do lip service too. It's ironic that you believe pornography is speech but not how you spend your own money to support people you want speaking for you.


Would you be happy if a union boss met a candidate in an alley, handed them unlimited cash and told them how to v**e on an issue? Say raising minimum wage. They would keep it secret, and the union boss would act suprised when it happened, as it could not be traced to his donation. Would you call that a bribe? Say it had no place in decent society? It is legal today under CU. It allows UNLIMITED and SECRET cash. If a company say, Star Kist, wanted to stop having to have dolphin excluders on its nets, it could give unlimited secret cash to a candidate who would secretly promise to gut the fishing laws. Star Kist would know that making that donation publically would cause a bad backlash from consumers, maybe even a boycott. So, under CU, it could make that secret donation, reap the benefit of the law, but have its spokespeople give grand speechs on how SK belives in how important dolphins are and how we need to save them. Unlimited and Secret? Is this what we want government to be? No mater what side you are on, you can see people on the other side using Citizens United to undermine what the majority want, and doing it in secret. CU legalizes bribery. No matter what side you are on, you can see the need for t***sparancy in government and the benefit of taking money out of politics. I thing gerrymandered districts and CU are creating politicians that no longer have to answer to the e*****rate, and can just do the bidding of their donors.

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Sep 11, 2013 12:58:30   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
AnnMarie wrote:
Would you be happy if a union boss met a candidate in an alley, handed them unlimited cash and told them how to v**e on an issue? Say raising minimum wage. They would keep it secret, and the union boss would act suprised when it happened, as it could not be traced to his donation. Would you call that a bribe? Say it had no place in decent society? It is legal today under CU. It allows UNLIMITED and SECRET cash. If a company say, Star Kist, wanted to stop having to have dolphin excluders on its nets, it could give unlimited secret cash to a candidate who would secretly promise to gut the fishing laws. Star Kist would know that making that donation publically would cause a bad backlash from consumers, maybe even a boycott. So, under CU, it could make that secret donation, reap the benefit of the law, but have its spokespeople give grand speechs on how SK belives in how important dolphins are and how we need to save them. Unlimited and Secret? Is this what we want government to be? No mater what side you are on, you can see people on the other side using Citizens United to undermine what the majority want, and doing it in secret. CU legalizes bribery. No matter what side you are on, you can see the need for t***sparancy in government and the benefit of taking money out of politics. I thing gerrymandered districts and CU are creating politicians that no longer have to answer to the e*****rate, and can just do the bidding of their donors.
Would you be happy if a union boss met a candidate... (show quote)


So, you're against freedom of speech?

Your little scenario here is phony because it violates current campaign laws. If they get caught, they will be prosecuted.

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Sep 11, 2013 12:59:20   #
Geno36 Loc: Texas
 
The US debt plus entitlements is over 225 trillion and that folks is more money than is in the entire world. If you think that the SHTF is not in the cards you've got your head in the sand.



TroubleshooterTim wrote:
Nearly 50% of Americans pay no federal income taxes at all. Some of them even receive money from the earned income credit. It is surprising how the majority of this 50% are the ones pointing their finger at the rich (who pay a lot in taxes). One percent of a million dollars is more than 100% of nothing. This class warfare has to stop for things to get better. The Gov't job is not to redistribute the wealth.
Regardless, it will all be a mute point soon, as we have already gone over the fiscal cliff and don't realize it. There is no possible way we can repay the nearly 17 Trillion dollar debt. In just a few short years we will not be able to pay the interest on that debt.
Nearly 50% of Americans pay no federal income taxe... (show quote)

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Sep 11, 2013 13:02:01   #
weneedrubio
 
I was referring to the crash of 2008. If you are going to be intentionally obtuse, which is a liberal tactic, we will get nowhere.
bluejacket wrote:
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yes they did a poll in Mississippi and they found 26 percent of those polled blamed Obama for Katrina

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Sep 11, 2013 13:05:30   #
Geno36 Loc: Texas
 
I love Dolphins. Tastes like chicken.

AnnMarie wrote:
Would you be happy if a union boss met a candidate in an alley, handed them unlimited cash and told them how to v**e on an issue? Say raising minimum wage. They would keep it secret, and the union boss would act suprised when it happened, as it could not be traced to his donation. Would you call that a bribe? Say it had no place in decent society? It is legal today under CU. It allows UNLIMITED and SECRET cash. If a company say, Star Kist, wanted to stop having to have dolphin excluders on its nets, it could give unlimited secret cash to a candidate who would secretly promise to gut the fishing laws. Star Kist would know that making that donation publically would cause a bad backlash from consumers, maybe even a boycott. So, under CU, it could make that secret donation, reap the benefit of the law, but have its spokespeople give grand speechs on how SK belives in how important dolphins are and how we need to save them. Unlimited and Secret? Is this what we want government to be? No mater what side you are on, you can see people on the other side using Citizens United to undermine what the majority want, and doing it in secret. CU legalizes bribery. No matter what side you are on, you can see the need for t***sparancy in government and the benefit of taking money out of politics. I thing gerrymandered districts and CU are creating politicians that no longer have to answer to the e*****rate, and can just do the bidding of their donors.
Would you be happy if a union boss met a candidate... (show quote)

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Sep 11, 2013 13:11:45   #
weneedrubio
 
It allows unlimited in some ways but none can be secret. Your union example is actually what you are referring too because they have that right. You libs need to get your facts straight.
AnnMarie wrote:
Would you be happy if a union boss met a candidate in an alley, handed them unlimited cash and told them how to v**e on an issue? Say raising minimum wage. They would keep it secret, and the union boss would act suprised when it happened, as it could not be traced to his donation. Would you call that a bribe? Say it had no place in decent society? It is legal today under CU. It allows UNLIMITED and SECRET cash. If a company say, Star Kist, wanted to stop having to have dolphin excluders on its nets, it could give unlimited secret cash to a candidate who would secretly promise to gut the fishing laws. Star Kist would know that making that donation publically would cause a bad backlash from consumers, maybe even a boycott. So, under CU, it could make that secret donation, reap the benefit of the law, but have its spokespeople give grand speechs on how SK belives in how important dolphins are and how we need to save them. Unlimited and Secret? Is this what we want government to be? No mater what side you are on, you can see people on the other side using Citizens United to undermine what the majority want, and doing it in secret. CU legalizes bribery. No matter what side you are on, you can see the need for t***sparancy in government and the benefit of taking money out of politics. I thing gerrymandered districts and CU are creating politicians that no longer have to answer to the e*****rate, and can just do the bidding of their donors.
Would you be happy if a union boss met a candidate... (show quote)

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Sep 11, 2013 13:21:11   #
The Cracker
 
American families are becoming increasingly polarized along race, class and educational lines, according to a new report released Wednesday, a sign of growing economic ine******y that was exacerbated by the Great Recession.

The report, “Divergent Paths of American Families,” found a widening gap in recent years between families that are white, educated or economically secure and minority families, those headed by someone with a high school degree or less, and poor families.

The concern, report authors say, is not that American families are becoming diverse. Advances in civil rights and women’s economic independence have opened up individual choice and t***sformed the American family in the past 50 years. The concern, they wrote, is that the divisions fall along race, class and educational lines and that they are accelerating.

Once again the misplaced efforts of the liberal radicals screw up a great country.

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Sep 11, 2013 13:31:45   #
The Cracker
 
How to sum up the Democratic party in seventy five words?

“If you are taught bitterness and anger, then you will believe you are a victim. You will feel aggrieved and the twin brother of aggrievment is entitlement.

So now you think you are owed something and you don't have to work for it and now you're on a really bad road to nowhere because there are people who will play to that sense of victimhood, aggreivement and entitlement, and you still won't have a job.”

Condaleeza Rice

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Sep 11, 2013 13:42:11   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Give a man an EBT card and he'll v**e Democrat for life.

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Sep 11, 2013 14:21:55   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
weneedrubio wrote:
It allows unlimited in some ways but none can be secret. Your union example is actually what you are referring too because they have that right. You libs need to get your facts straight.


So my union example would work, but the Star Kist would not....hmm..same example with different protaganists.

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Sep 11, 2013 15:18:00   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
TroubleshooterTim wrote:
Nearly 50% of Americans pay no federal income taxes at all. Some of them even receive money from the earned income credit. It is surprising how the majority of this 50% are the ones pointing their finger at the rich (who pay a lot in taxes). One percent of a million dollars is more than 100% of nothing. This class warfare has to stop for things to get better. The Gov't job is not to redistribute the wealth.
Regardless, it will all be a mute point soon, as we have already gone over the fiscal cliff and don't realize it. There is no possible way we can repay the nearly 17 Trillion dollar debt. In just a few short years we will not be able to pay the interest on that debt.
Nearly 50% of Americans pay no federal income taxe... (show quote)


Hmm! I wonder how we got into debt??? Reagan. Cut taxes and tax reciepts will go up. Opps..cut taxes and revenue goes down..what a suprise. Paid off by Clinton. Bush? Cut taxes and revenue will go up...No, really, this time it will. Opps..again..Obama trying to pay it off, with Republicans blocking tax increases for the rich, which 90% Americans think should happen. Save me the crocodile tears about the deficit and do something about it.. Like tax the 1% who made out just fine in this recovery.

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Sep 11, 2013 15:19:31   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
weneedrubio wrote:
I was referring to the crash of 2008. If you are going to be intentionally obtuse, which is a liberal tactic, we will get nowhere.


The discussion was on the Great Depression.

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Sep 11, 2013 15:20:23   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Give a man an EBT card and he'll v**e Democrat for life.


Give a corporation a bailout and they will v**e republican for life

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Sep 11, 2013 15:21:41   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
weneedrubio wrote:
It allows unlimited in some ways but none can be secret. Your union example is actually what you are referring too because they have that right. You libs need to get your facts straight.


Sorry, plenty CAN be secret. PACs can be set up NOT to disclose their donors.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/05/citizens-united-decision-profoundly-affects-political-landscape.html

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Sep 11, 2013 15:28:13   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
AnnMarie wrote:
No, I do not belive that only Republicans are rich. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and many other rich people are democrats. I admire rich democrats, as they are v****g for higher taxes for themselve for the good of the country. I see lots of news-CNN, BBC, NY times, pretty much ALL the news outlets except fox, which I do not consider a news outlet. Most of people who watch Fox do not watch any other news, so that is a bit of kettle/teapot. A study was once done that showed people who watched Fox news did worse on a test of current events than people who watched no news at all. In the words of Will Rodgers, It was not what they did not know, it was what they "knew" that was just not so. IE-fox views felt that Iraq was involved in 9/11, the Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, etc.

Sorry, can't lay off Fox, it is a big part of the problem with the US-if news cannot simply report FACTS, but instead propaganda for the side that blesses the owners of network with lower taxes, that is a big problem. News reporters are the guardians of democracy, and Fox has abdicated that role.
No, I do not belive that only Republicans are rich... (show quote)


Let's take it one step at a time. Those who are rich and lean politically the way you do are just generous people, while those who are not rich and lean different than you are just dumb. Interesting thought process behind that. Now, as to Gates and Buffett - you do know, I'm sure, that they have armies of experts minimizing both their corporate and personal tax liabilities. Buffett's entire company is organized in a fashion to minimize taxes while maximizing cash usage for aggressive asset purchases. Why does their generosity not preclude such aggressive tax avoidance tactics?

As to Fox, and studies that show their viewers to be the less informed than those who see or hear no news - common sense alone, unbiased, would lead one to seriously question the validity of such a study. Certainly you are aware that studies are conducted by people, like yourself, who have thier own biases and find data to support preconcieved notions.

I am a Fox viewer, as well as an ABC, NBC and CBS viewer. Clearly Fox is more likely to report things from a more conservative point of view than the other 3 networks, but as to fact reporting - I've found them to be easily the equal of those. There is no comporable Fox scandal to the Dan Rather fiasco, or the NBC 9/11 editing, or the selective use of photo's by ABC that I've seen.

When one suggests the answer to all economic problems is to v**e Democratic, as you have, that hardly qualifies you as an unbiased observer.

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