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Sep 10, 2013 08:33:46   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
What the multitude of problems stemming from the law have prevented us from noticing.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/mark-hendrickson/the-worst-part-of-obamacare/

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Sep 10, 2013 08:58:07   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
From what I'm reading this could well doom the democratic party in the next e******n cycle as they are the one's whom pushed this through and It will not forgotten because each tax payer will still be seeing the results it employed or unemployed. Many of the so-called added taxes will effect people's daily lives.


OldSchool wrote:
What the multitude of problems stemming from the law have prevented us from noticing.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/mark-hendrickson/the-worst-part-of-obamacare/

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Sep 11, 2013 07:52:11   #
dville Loc: Albuquerque
 
One could only wonder if health care were a right instead of a for profit system. It almost seems unconstitutional since we have prolife.
We find it is so immoral to have a******n to deny life to the fetus but no problem denying them healthcare after they're born.
Is it right to put the burden on the infant?
I don't have the answer to this daunting issue and it seems I am a member of a large group that doesn't either.
So we have a government that deals with...do we go for the moral position and make sure no one is evicted from their homes because they can't pay their bills or do we go for the profit position and the hell with morality?
Politically we condemn Affordable Healthcare but I have yet to see an option that is better for the country and not for the pocketbook.

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Sep 11, 2013 08:38:27   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
I disagree, that same fetus when he reaches age will buy food, will rent or buy a place to live, will need t***sportation and so forth. None of that is given to you so why health care?



dville wrote:
One could only wonder if health care were a right instead of a for profit system. It almost seems unconstitutional since we have prolife.
We find it is so immoral to have a******n to deny life to the fetus but no problem denying them healthcare after they're born.
Is it right to put the burden on the infant?
I don't have the answer to this daunting issue and it seems I am a member of a large group that doesn't either.
So we have a government that deals with...do we go for the moral position and make sure no one is evicted from their homes because they can't pay their bills or do we go for the profit position and the hell with morality?
Politically we condemn Affordable Healthcare but I have yet to see an option that is better for the country and not for the pocketbook.
One could only wonder if health care were a right ... (show quote)

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Sep 11, 2013 08:39:47   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
dville wrote:
One could only wonder if health care were a right instead of a for profit system. It almost seems unconstitutional since we have prolife.
We find it is so immoral to have a******n to deny life to the fetus but no problem denying them healthcare after they're born.
Is it right to put the burden on the infant?
I don't have the answer to this daunting issue and it seems I am a member of a large group that doesn't either.
So we have a government that deals with...do we go for the moral position and make sure no one is evicted from their homes because they can't pay their bills or do we go for the profit position and the hell with morality?
Politically we condemn Affordable Healthcare but I have yet to see an option that is better for the country and not for the pocketbook.
One could only wonder if health care were a right ... (show quote)


Healthcare is not a right. If you have an underwater mortgage, you signed a contract, so pay it. As a taxpayer, that has learned how to stand on his own two feet, should not have to pay for your healthcare, or mortgage....period.

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Sep 11, 2013 09:13:47   #
emarine
 
OldSchool wrote:
Healthcare is not a right. If you have an underwater mortgage, you signed a contract, so pay it. As a taxpayer, that has learned how to stand on his own two feet, should not have to pay for your healthcare, or mortgage....period.


There is no account of the current systems for profit nature, The uninsured debt is a write off, costing the taxpayer billions now. Very shallow read....

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Sep 11, 2013 09:51:48   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
OldSchool wrote:
What the multitude of problems stemming from the law have prevented us from noticing.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/mark-hendrickson/the-worst-part-of-obamacare/


The biggest problem with Obamacare is that is does nothing to reduce the cost of healthcare, a lot to increase the cost of healthcare, and few people even realize that basic reality.

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Sep 11, 2013 10:09:43   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
Dave wrote:
The biggest problem with Obamacare is that is does nothing to reduce the cost of healthcare, a lot to increase the cost of healthcare, and few people even realize that basic reality.


Not to mention reducing the quality of healthcare overall.

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Sep 11, 2013 10:20:16   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
emarine wrote:
There is no account of the current systems for profit nature, The uninsured debt is a write off, costing the taxpayer billions now. Very shallow read....


???? What the hell did you just say????

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Sep 11, 2013 13:22:31   #
lone_ghost Loc: Wisconsin
 
The affordable care act (yeah right) or Obummercare does have some very good aspects that unfortunately are so interwoven with utter nonsense that they are meaningless. The worst thing about Obummercare in my opinion is that what it really is, is an unsustainable train wreck that will be anything but good for our economy (oh yeah it's also UNCONSTITUTIONAL). The government can not exclude it's self from what is enacted (or mandatory) for the general population for it denotes a separation from each with the government considered "nobility" in that exemption.

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Sep 11, 2013 13:35:31   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Dave wrote:
The biggest problem with Obamacare is that is does nothing to reduce the cost of healthcare, a lot to increase the cost of healthcare, and few people even realize that basic reality.


Dave, the following has absolutely nothing to do with your comment. I needed somewhere to put this picayune comment.

I have been so blessed, NOT, to already see the wonderful benefits of the ACA. With the tax on "medical devices", my vet bill went up $12. I see you all wondering and saying, "What does the ACA have to with the veterinary bills?" An X-ray is taken by a "medical device" on which there is tax. A pet, we lost in May, needed a X-ray. As we had previously had such happen we noted the increase. We inquired as to the cost increase. The answer was taxes on the "medical devices" used by ALL medical practices.

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Sep 11, 2013 13:43:53   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
AuntiE wrote:
Dave, the following has absolutely nothing to do with your comment. I needed somewhere to put this picayune comment.

I have been so blessed, NOT, to already see the wonderful benefits of the ACA. With the tax on "medical devices", my vet bill went up $12. I see you all wondering and saying, "What does the ACA have to with the veterinary bills?" An X-ray is taken by a "medical device" on which there is tax. A pet, we lost in May, needed a X-ray. As we had previously had such happen we noted the increase. We inquired as to the cost increase. The answer was taxes on the "medical devices" used by ALL medical practices.
Dave, the following has absolutely nothing to do w... (show quote)


I just read yesterday about a company that just laid off around a 1000 workers because of the medical device tax.

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Sep 11, 2013 14:00:55   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
AuntiE wrote:
Dave, the following has absolutely nothing to do with your comment. I needed somewhere to put this picayune comment.

I have been so blessed, NOT, to already see the wonderful benefits of the ACA. With the tax on "medical devices", my vet bill went up $12. I see you all wondering and saying, "What does the ACA have to with the veterinary bills?" An X-ray is taken by a "medical device" on which there is tax. A pet, we lost in May, needed a X-ray. As we had previously had such happen we noted the increase. We inquired as to the cost increase. The answer was taxes on the "medical devices" used by ALL medical practices.
Dave, the following has absolutely nothing to do w... (show quote)


I surely don't want to call you a leaner name but was something like that supposed to happen? I keep remembering Obama's promises about how the plan would save us all money and you could keep your doctor (if he doesn't retire early) and all that. They never thought about what you had happen to you but as an old man I used to know (he died about 10 years ago) used to say, "Such are the vicissitudes of life." In other words, it may well be sad but it is damned sure true, too.

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Sep 11, 2013 14:03:34   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
OldSchool wrote:
I just read yesterday about a company that just laid off around a 1000 workers because of the medical device tax.


Just three weeks ago my devices provider came to get my oxygen concentrator because it had been said by the Medicare people that having 84% oxygen in me during part of the night was plenty. They just aren't going to pay for things like that for old people and that is the end of that story. I have said for a long time that state Medicare boards are death panels and now we find them acting that way and they admit that it is Obamacare that drove them.

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Sep 11, 2013 15:16:45   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
AuntiE wrote:
Dave, the following has absolutely nothing to do with your comment. I needed somewhere to put this picayune comment.

I have been so blessed, NOT, to already see the wonderful benefits of the ACA. With the tax on "medical devices", my vet bill went up $12. I see you all wondering and saying, "What does the ACA have to with the veterinary bills?" An X-ray is taken by a "medical device" on which there is tax. A pet, we lost in May, needed a X-ray. As we had previously had such happen we noted the increase. We inquired as to the cost increase. The answer was taxes on the "medical devices" used by ALL medical practices.
Dave, the following has absolutely nothing to do w... (show quote)


Actually, Auntie, it is a very clear example of exactly what my post stated. In earlier posts I suggested tht if one wanted to provide more shoes to more people, they'd find a way to create more shoemakers. The ACA, supposedly to create more health care, found a way to tax existing healthcare, create more IRS agents, create a whole new category of government bureaucrats called navigators, and encourage physicians to reduce their patient load and retire. One needs to completely lack an understanding of macro economics to think the ACA will make healthcare more available or affordable overall - at best it changes who pays the higher bills.

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