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Sep 5, 2013 09:19:32   #
emarine
 
The tea party was the brainchild of one of Charles Kochs think tanks back as far as 2002,



Yankee Clipper
Fighting domestic Marxism and its cousins locally and nationally. Hey Yank, Sorry if I struck a nerve once again but you must learn to do your own fact checking and stop puking up this marxism crap, The koch bros are very easy to obtain tons of info on, just use several sources and read inbetween the lines, You my friend would be the perfect person to watch the youtube video and report back some feedback, This will help in your fight with domestic marxism.

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Sep 5, 2013 09:29:36   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Lou wrote:
Very good , and if and until anything sticks , everyone's just talking out their asshole ......after all these "real scandals " have been running for 5 years now , so I guess the REAL , "real scandals " are the ones we have yet to hear . :XD:



It's kinda hard to prove anything when documents you have requested are withheld, and when they are finally delivered, they are redacted so heavily as to be useless. People who plead the 5th are given paid vacations at over $100,000/year. People are covered with an improperly invoked "Executive Privilege before they have to answer any embarrassing questions. Government is capable of incredible stonewalling when it suits their purpose, and not just this Administration.

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Sep 5, 2013 09:29:36   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Lou wrote:
Very good , and if and until anything sticks , everyone's just talking out their asshole ......after all these "real scandals " have been running for 5 years now , so I guess the REAL , "real scandals " are the ones we have yet to hear . :XD:



It's kinda hard to prove anything when documents you have requested are withheld, and when they are finally delivered, they are redacted so heavily as to be useless. People who plead the 5th are given paid vacations at over $100,000/year. People are covered with an improperly invoked "Executive Privilege before they have to answer any embarrassing questions. Government is capable of incredible stonewalling when it suits their purpose, and not just this Administration.

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Sep 5, 2013 09:37:59   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
banjojack wrote:
It's kinda hard to prove anything when documents you have requested are withheld, and when they are finally delivered, they are redacted so heavily as to be useless. People who plead the 5th are given paid vacations at over $100,000/year. People are covered with an improperly invoked "Executive Privilege before they have to answer any embarrassing questions. Government is capable of incredible stonewalling when it suits their purpose, and not just this Administration.


Don't forget potential witnesses who are told to keep their mouths shut, like the B******i survivors.

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Sep 5, 2013 09:43:46   #
emarine
 
DennisDee wrote:
Again this had nothing to do with 911 and everything to do with Americans buying foreign goods. Refuse to purchase foreign made goods and they will be forced to make them in America. Of course the consumer will pay more.
I agree that if we cut out foreign labor it would be of great benefit here at home but that is only a small part of it, After 911 came the patriot act and the final blow was citizens united, Watch the video... it will connect the dots

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Sep 5, 2013 09:47:18   #
MPLSMAN Loc: Bloomington, MN
 
OldSchool wrote:
Prove it, because he can't.


I guess a short form plus a long form birth certificate don't count.
You and Donald are getting tiring.
I'm still waiting on Cruz's proof that his mother was indeed a U.S. Citizen. With a name like "Cruz", there is a lot of doubt. In actuality his mother was Puerto Rican and his father was Cuban.

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Sep 5, 2013 09:55:37   #
Yankee Clipper
 
MPLSMAN wrote:
Well, that leaves Ted Cruz out of the picture doesn't it. His mother was a U.S. citizen, his father was a Cuban citizen, and he was born in a foreign country. (Yes, Canada is a foreign country.) Whereas Obama was born in the United States. (Yes, Hawaii is in the United States.)


I believe you are correct.

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Sep 5, 2013 09:56:45   #
Lou Loc: Florida
 
BigMike wrote:
Don't forget potential witnesses who are told to keep their mouths shut, like the B******i survivors.


With all due respect Big Mike , but we live in a country and are part of a society where ABSOLUTELY NOBODY KEEPS THEIR MOUTH SHUT .
Just like the friendly fire death of that Football Star in Afghanistan ,eventually leaked out , and that didn't take too long at all , even the Navy Seals on Bin Ladens death couldn't be contained .And from of all military groups , the Navy Seals who don't talk about anything , today they write bloody books and vie for movie rights .
So your theory is kinda hard to swallow , when in reality , it more a matter of a LACK OF HARD FACTS AND EVIDENCE .

No one is going to start impeachment proceedings based on partisan innuendo . Just like you as a citizen , don't get thrown in jail due to innuendo .

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Sep 5, 2013 09:59:35   #
Yankee Clipper
 
emarine wrote:
The tea party was the brainchild of one of Charles Kochs think tanks back as far as 2002,



Yankee Clipper
Fighting domestic Marxism and its cousins locally and nationally. Hey Yank, Sorry if I struck a nerve once again but you must learn to do your own fact checking and stop puking up this marxism crap, The koch bros are very easy to obtain tons of info on, just use several sources and read inbetween the lines, You my friend would be the perfect person to watch the youtube video and report back some feedback, This will help in your fight with domestic marxism.
The tea party was the brainchild of one of Charles... (show quote)


They are doing nothing different from what your Marxist c****e usurper president is doing. That doesn't mean a thing to you though does it. By the way they don't finance nothing that I am aware of.

You never strike any of my nerves so keep trying.

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Sep 5, 2013 10:27:40   #
MPLSMAN Loc: Bloomington, MN
 
Yankee Clipper wrote:
They are doing nothing different from what your Marxist c****e usurper president is doing. That doesn't mean a thing to you though does it. By the way they don't finance nothing that I am aware of.

You never strike any of my nerves so keep trying.


Jane Mayer, of The New Yorker, in her 10,000 word piece last August, peeled the cover off the onion of the Koch brothers' empire. And she focused not only on their personal wealth and family, but on their political empire building.

It was not, and is not, easy to get the details on the extent of their tentacles. They funnel money through 501c3 tax-exempt foundations, and they give money to other foundations, lobbying organizations, and right wing think tanks. They have PACs; they support candidates. Only a small portion of what they control do they divulge.

But it has now come out how involved they have been in funding Tea Party groups, Americans for Prosperity, FreedomWorks, and Citizens for a Sound Economy ($12 million).

We do know, from Mayer’s reporting, that the Koch brothers have personally given over $2 million to candidates over the last 12 years, their PAC has contributed $8 million to candidates, and they have spent $50 million on lobbying. The Charles Koch Foundation has given $48 million, and another foundation they control gave $28 million. David Koch’s foundation gave more than $120 million. According to Mayer, $196 million dollars in total was distributed in the last 10 years to conservative causes and institutions.

That all, as they say, is not chicken feed, and it begs the question: How in the heck did they stay under the radar for as long as they did?

Part of the reason is that much of what they did was not reportable but, more important, until recently they were not pouring the millions into campaigns through advertising and expenditures allowed due to the Citizens United Supreme Court case. [Read the U.S. News debate: Is the Citizens United decision hurting democracy?]

Now, to the paranoia. These folks would make Richard Nixon’s enemies list look tame. This could be a movie akin to George Clooney’s Michael Clayton.

This past weekend the Koch brothers hosted a conference in Palm Springs that resembled an armed camp. Private Koch security was everywhere—manning every doorway and stairway within range of the conference. Reporters were confronted by private security guards and told to leave or they would be arrested. A Politico reporter describes being thrown out and threatened with “a night in the Riverside County jail.”
A new academic study confirms that front groups with longstanding ties to the tobacco industry and the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement more than a decade before it exploded onto the U.S. political scene. The study, funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, traces the roots of the Tea Party's anti-tax movement back to the early 1980s when tobacco companies began to invest in third party groups to fight excise taxes on cigarettes. Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperity were once a single organization called Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE). CSE was founded in 1984 by the infamous Koch Brothers, David and Charles Koch, and received over $5.3 million from tobacco companies, mainly Philip Morris, between 1991 and 2004.
Any more questions?

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Sep 5, 2013 10:50:43   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
MPLSMAN wrote:
Jane Mayer, of The New Yorker, in her 10,000 word piece last August, peeled the cover off the onion of the Koch brothers' empire. And she focused not only on their personal wealth and family, but on their political empire building.

It was not, and is not, easy to get the details on the extent of their tentacles. They funnel money through 501c3 tax-exempt foundations, and they give money to other foundations, lobbying organizations, and right wing think tanks. They have PACs; they support candidates. Only a small portion of what they control do they divulge.

But it has now come out how involved they have been in funding Tea Party groups, Americans for Prosperity, FreedomWorks, and Citizens for a Sound Economy ($12 million).

We do know, from Mayer’s reporting, that the Koch brothers have personally given over $2 million to candidates over the last 12 years, their PAC has contributed $8 million to candidates, and they have spent $50 million on lobbying. The Charles Koch Foundation has given $48 million, and another foundation they control gave $28 million. David Koch’s foundation gave more than $120 million. According to Mayer, $196 million dollars in total was distributed in the last 10 years to conservative causes and institutions.

That all, as they say, is not chicken feed, and it begs the question: How in the heck did they stay under the radar for as long as they did?

Part of the reason is that much of what they did was not reportable but, more important, until recently they were not pouring the millions into campaigns through advertising and expenditures allowed due to the Citizens United Supreme Court case. [Read the U.S. News debate: Is the Citizens United decision hurting democracy?]

Now, to the paranoia. These folks would make Richard Nixon’s enemies list look tame. This could be a movie akin to George Clooney’s Michael Clayton.

This past weekend the Koch brothers hosted a conference in Palm Springs that resembled an armed camp. Private Koch security was everywhere—manning every doorway and stairway within range of the conference. Reporters were confronted by private security guards and told to leave or they would be arrested. A Politico reporter describes being thrown out and threatened with “a night in the Riverside County jail.”
A new academic study confirms that front groups with longstanding ties to the tobacco industry and the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement more than a decade before it exploded onto the U.S. political scene. The study, funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, traces the roots of the Tea Party's anti-tax movement back to the early 1980s when tobacco companies began to invest in third party groups to fight excise taxes on cigarettes. Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperity were once a single organization called Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE). CSE was founded in 1984 by the infamous Koch Brothers, David and Charles Koch, and received over $5.3 million from tobacco companies, mainly Philip Morris, between 1991 and 2004.
Any more questions?
Jane Mayer, of The New Yorker, in her 10,000 word ... (show quote)


Soooooooooo? What about George Soros, The Rockefeller's, The Kennedy's, John kerry, Bill Gates, et al. I guess it is okay for them to give money to support liberal causes and PACs, but it is not okay for the Koch Brothers to give to conservative causes and PACs? You liberals are such hypocrites!

You go Koch Brothers!

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Sep 5, 2013 10:52:21   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Lou wrote:
With all due respect Big Mike , but we live in a country and are part of a society where ABSOLUTELY NOBODY KEEPS THEIR MOUTH SHUT .
Just like the friendly fire death of that Football Star in Afghanistan ,eventually leaked out , and that didn't take too long at all , even the Navy Seals on Bin Ladens death couldn't be contained .And from of all military groups , the Navy Seals who don't talk about anything , today they write bloody books and vie for movie rights .
So your theory is kinda hard to swallow , when in reality , it more a matter of a LACK OF HARD FACTS AND EVIDENCE .

No one is going to start impeachment proceedings based on partisan innuendo . Just like you as a citizen , don't get thrown in jail due to innuendo .
With all due respect Big Mike , but we live in a c... (show quote)


So exactly how much have you heard from the B******i survivors? I know that CNN and other news orgnizations talked about it for days. How much have you heard about the over 400 surface to air missiles that disappeared and God knows who has them now or how they'll be used? How much have you heard about the mission that the embassy in B******i was on - to funnel arms to Syrian rebels? You can dismiss it as innuendo if you like, but I and a whole lot of other people won't, and as far as partisan goes, I distrust the Republicans as much as I do the Democrats for the same reasons. I don't like being lied to and ALL this administration has done since this thing began is lie.

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Sep 5, 2013 10:57:05   #
Inyourface Loc: East Coast
 
BigMike wrote:
You paint with a broad brush friend. Most Tea Party folks are just that. Folks. Its unfortunate that career politicians are always on the lookout for a parade to jump in front of.


Big Mike you are either ill informed or you are lying about "Tea party " folks being just folks. The Teaparty is made up of disgruntled GOPers and they are old ,white and mostly male. The few "tokens" are either fools or scoundrels. This is the reality of what the Teaparty is.

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Sep 5, 2013 11:08:23   #
Inyourface Loc: East Coast
 
BigMike wrote:
So exactly how much have you heard from the B******i survivors? I know that CNN and other news orgnizations talked about it for days. How much have you heard about the over 400 surface to air missiles that disappeared and God knows who has them now or how they'll be used? How much have you heard about the mission that the embassy in B******i was on - to funnel arms to Syrian rebels? You can dismiss it as innuendo if you like, but I and a whole lot of other people won't, and as far as partisan goes, I distrust the Republicans as much as I do the Democrats for the same reasons. I don't like being lied to and ALL this administration has done since this thing began is lie.
So exactly how much have you heard from the B*****... (show quote)


BHENGAZI? Well Big mike you just blew any credibilty you might have had. So sad,so pathetic these morons

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Sep 5, 2013 11:14:40   #
MPLSMAN Loc: Bloomington, MN
 
OldSchool wrote:
Soooooooooo? What about George Soros, The Rockefeller's, The Kennedy's, John kerry, Bill Gates, et al. I guess it is okay for them to give money to support liberal causes and PACs, but it is not okay for the Koch Brothers to give to conservative causes and PACs? You liberals are such hypocrites!

You go Koch Brothers!


I was responding to the poster who said the Koch Brothers never financed anything including the Tea Party. I would suggest politely, that you read posts in their entirety before responding.

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