fiatlux

It is simply a pov on any subject, desperately needing the Right to bring it into clearer perspective and provide the necessary height and depth to the topic. Nothing Left is good. Nothing Right is good. For wholeness and the ultimate good of humanity, Left and Right need to come together.

moldyoldy

That sounds like political compromise. That was outlawed by mitch mcconnel.

jelun

Sounds nice, good luck with that!

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

Compromise has become a dirty word. Our government benefits from keeping us separated along, gender, economic, and racial lines. As long as we are willing to play this game it will continue.

All sides are guilty of this to some extent. I hate to admit it but we Independents are guilty as well. Coming together means accepting the idea that I just may be wrong. Something no one in this country appears to be capable of doing.

So self righteous are we all that the thought the other side may have a legitimate point is cause for becoming defensive rather than listening. I personally do not agree 100% with either the left or the right. Both have some good points and both have a great deal of BS.

jelun

I am not sure where this comes from.
Democrats have such a long history of compromise and lack of rigidity that those in the government actually appear to be spineless.
Didn't Democrats just give away the opportunity to have single payer health care because the president was hoping that making health insurance companies rich(er) and pharmaceuticals more profitable would drag some Republicans along?
Don't we sit and wait for someone to get off the fence and decide that drilling in nationally controlled lands should be verboten?
On and On, compromise is made that leads us further toward the point of no return.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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Compromise is where both sides give up something(s) for the betterment of the total. What's lacking is the willingness to allow the other side even a minuscule amount of what they want for fear of appearing to lose face, giving in and looking weak.

"Compromise" is at the foundation of this country and its government. Without it, we wouldn't be the USA. It's conceivable we'd be several smaller countries. Add in today's hyper-partisanship, and I don't doubt that we'd be at war with our fellow former colonies.

Now-a-days, the extremist rhetoric, primarily from the conservatives, as witnessed on this site, leaves no room for compromise. And, as was mentioned earlier, Mitch McConnell all but declared war on "compromise" when he announced that it was the GOP's job to make Obama a 1-term president, and has spent the last 6-7 years trying to do just that.

I, for one, refuse to give up on the possibility of cooler heads prevailing and new leadership driving the ship of state. It may not be within my/our lifetime(s); but, I have faith in the "rule of law" and in the eventual dying-out of the hyper-extremists; and, with that, their closed-minded, "my way or the highway" politics.

Finally, we need to show RESPECT to the other person(s). While I may disagree with someone, over any given topic, I try my upmost to show them the respect I feel I should be shown. When the person with whom I'm disagreeing with resorts to personal attacks, lies and innuendos, and uses those kinds of tactics on me, just to prove their point, that's when respect leaves the room. Sadly, it need'nt be that way. Two grown adults should be able to converse without one loosing their cool and resort to childish, personal attacks and insults.

Disrespect of another's points of view are just as damaging to government as is the unwillingness to compromise. People like to say that they "have a RIGHT to their opinion;" and they're right; they do. However, what many seem to forget is, so does the other person. Their "RIGHT" to their opinion is just as valid as yours. And, until you accept that, there'll be no chance of dialogue or compromise. My point of view may be 180 degrees different from yours; but, just as your entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine.

I don't see compromise as a path, "...that leads us further toward the point of no return." If compromise is done in good faith, I see it as a path that can lead us to a greater understanding of the other side; and it gives tthe other side an better opportunity to understand us. Time will tell whether or not the compromise was good or bad. Of course, '20/20 hindsight' is always the best way to judge the past and present. Too bad it never works for the future.

Just saying....

jelun

Speaking of compromise, it seems that more and more individuals and groups are speaking up about the sense of diplomacy with Iran.
Here's hoping.

moldyoldy

http://www.jta.org/2015/08/17/news-opinion/politics/340-u-s-rabbis-sign-letter-supporting-iran-deal

340 U.S. rabbis sign letter supporting Iran deal

August 17, 2015 11:30am



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(JTA) — In a letter to Congress, 340 U.S. rabbis from the major streams of Judaism expressed support for the Iran nuclear deal.

The letter sent Monday urges the House of Representatives and Senate to endorse the agreement, in which sanctions are lifted in exchange for restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program.

Noting that “we are deeply concerned with the impression that the leadership of the American Jewish community is united in opposition to the agreement,” the letter states, “We, along with many other Jewish leaders, fully support this historic nuclear accord.”


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In a news release issued by Ameinu, a liberal Zionist organization, one of the letter’s signatories, Rabbi Steven Bob of Glen Ellyn, Illinois, said, “We commend the U.S. and the other negotiating teams for their dedication to reaching an agreement to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. This deal is good for the United States and our allies in the region, and is the best arrangement possible given current international realities.”

Rabbi Samuel Gordon of Wilmette, Illinois, said in the news release that if Congress rejects the deal, “the consequences for the United States, Israel, the Jewish community and the world will be significant.”

“We fear that the outcome will be the collapse of the international sanctions regime, an Iranian race for nuclear weapons and an associated arms race in the Middle East and isolation of Israel and the United States from international partners,” Gordon said.

Numerous American Jewish organizations, including the Anti-Defamation League and American Jewish Committee, have publicly opposed the Iran deal negotiated between Iran and six major powers. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee is lobbying the Congress to reject the deal and has spent millions of dollars in its campaign.

Congress has until late September to decide whether to reject the deal. President Barack Obama is campaigning for the deal, while the Republicans mostly oppose the deal.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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How much would you bet that we'll NEVER hear of this letter on Fox News?

I fully support the State of Israel's right to exist, but I really detest how much influence it has on our politics. Anyone who only half-way examines how 2-faced Israel is when comparing their rhetoric to its actions should be able to see how much 'at fault' Israel is when it comes to adhering to the agreements with the local Arab population and other non-Israelis. Additionally, how much longer will our own clergy and politicians remain silent about the abuses Christians face under Israeli authorities? It's no secret that Israel doesn't hesitate to condone Israeli violence against Muslims. What does it take to get Israel quit persecuting Christians? I thought Christians were supposed to be Israel's friends. Too bad Israel doesn't share the same feeling.

From: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/04/21/israelis-terrorize-christians-evangelicals-accuse-obama-persecuting-christ.html

Jews Persecute Christians
There are a few things Americans have learned over the past couple of years about the evangelical right. Among their many claims is that they are under heavy assault and face persecution because they are not allowed to rule by theocratic edict. The also persist in accusing President Obama, a Christian, of leading a ferocious assault on not only Christianity, but the religion’s namesake Jesus Christ. They have also demonstrated their primary loyalty is to Israel, a nation they claim President Obama hates and throws under the proverbial bus because Benjamin Netanyahu is not allowed to dictate America’s foreign policy. If one believed everything Christian extremists claimed, they are being viciously slaughtered at home and abroad for their religion as well as their devotion to Israel because it is opposed to their shared religious enemy Islam. What the evangelical right never, never ever, talks about is the persecution, barbarism, and hatred targeting Christians at the hands of Israeli Jews in the Holy Land and it leads one to wonder if America’s neo-Christians are using President Obama as a surrogate for the Israelis targeting Christians for persecution.

Recently, the evangelical right’s claim that President Obama persecutes them was due to his historically accurate claim that Christians should temper their hatred and war-rage against the Muslim religion because throughout greatest human atrocities in throughout world history was done in the name of Christ. Specifically President Obama said that as Christians, “We have no right to get on our high horse and think persecution is unique someplace else,” and that “we should remember that people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ.” The President’s remarks were not well-received by the evangelical right and he incited more rage when he said he was “concerned about less than loving” Christians during the White House Easter breakfast. That was twice in a very brief period of time that the President violated an unspoken American law prohibiting anyone, pundit or politician, from uttering a negative word about American neo-Christianity; even if it is truthful and historically verifiable.

The Christian right attacked the President for “throwing Christ under the bus” and inciting a war against Christians with the same intensity they accuse him of attacking and throwing Israeli Jews under the bus. Their twisted religious logic is that Obama attacks Christians and Israel to prop up the Islamic religion Islam because both groups consider all Muslims a deadly enemy. It is curious then, that a coalition of Muslims and Christians have called on the United Nations and the World Court to intervene and prosecute Israeli Jews for religious hate crimes, persecution, and terrorist attacks on both Christians and Muslims while the evangelical right condemns Obama for not supporting Israel.

Last week, as part of an ongoing assault on Christians and to a lesser degree Muslims, news from Jerusalem was that yet another Christian church was set ablaze by Jews. The terrorists also sprayed graffiti on the building that even Israeli police admitted was “offensive to Jesus Christ.” The secretary-general of the Islamic-Christian Committee in Support of Jerusalem and the Holy Sites, Hanna Issa, harshly denounced the latest attack and described it as part of ongoing crimes against Islamic and Christian holy sites such as cemeteries, churches, mosques, and religious icons. He said, “These latest rounds of terrorism and savagery are carried out with the blessing of the Israeli government. This attack is just one example of numerous violations aimed at destroying the deeply rooted Arab, Islamic and Christian history of the Holy Land.” Where is the American evangelical outrage and calls for war against Israeli fanatics for committing atrocities toward Christians in the Middle East? They do not exist because doing so would be equating Israeli Jewish extremism with Islamic extremism as well as be regarded as “throwing Israel under the bus.” Apparently to the evangelical right, like America’s hateful neo-Christianity, Israelis can do no wrong.

The very real physical attacks on Christians have been ongoing for at least a decade and likely much longer. But evangelicals are silent while they attack President Obama for leading a “war on Christians” and persecuting them and their Christ by stating historical truths; including that American evangelicals are anything but loving. Obviously the mainstream media is reluctant to report on Israeli persecution of Christians any more than they report on Christians’ less than loving ways because they are terrified of being accused of demeaning any religious devotees unless they are Muslims.

According to Hanna Issa, an International Law expert, burning and attacking holy sites is a violation of Section 53 of the First Geneva Protocol of 1977 which outlaws all attacks against holy sites around the world. Several Christian groups in and around the “Holy Land” have called for intervention by international courts for the ongoing religious hate crimes such as in 2013 when Israeli Jews spray-painted “Jesus is a monkey” and other racist graffiti on the walls of the Church of the Dominion. Last year Israeli fanatics wrote “Death to Christianity,” “Jesus is dead,” and “Mary is a prostitute” on the walls of the Jerusalem Baptist Narkis Congregation Church. Last October a Jerusalem church was torched and a Christian teen was critically injured when a “package bomb exploded in his face.” Police are aware that Jewish terrorists were responsible; especially after a group of angry Jews publicly burned hundreds of New Testaments.

According Israeli newspaper Haaretz, a lawyer for Israeli Christians said “Official persecution of Christians is sharply on the rise in Israel and most involve authorities’ attempt to close down Christian houses of worship, revoke the citizenship of Christians, or refuse to register their children as Israelis. When there are incidents of violence against Christians in Israel, police are reluctant to press charges.” According to Christians seeking assistance from Israeli officials, “the government of Israel maintains a hands-off policy and contends that Christians who witness and are persecuted deserve it and say the government is just as anti-Christian as local magistrates.”

Where is the outrage against Israeli persecution against Christians from America’s holier-than-thou evangelical right? It is focused on President Barack Obama because the only thing more offensive to evangelicals than uttering truth about their hateful version of Christianity is saying an unkind word against Israel. They are certainly not going to criticize Israel’s terrorism toward Christians in the “Holy Land,” particularly when they have a visible African American as surrogate to attack in the White House who has done more to protect Christians, and Israel, than either group deserves.

jelun

Seems that Christians in Israel are getting it from all sides.
http://www.jpost.com/Christian-News/Church-in-east-Jerusalem-besieged-by-chronic-attacks-harassment-379888

moldyoldy

Our politicians are afraid to speak out. Some have loyalty to Israel first, then to US.

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

"Our politicians are afraid to speak out. Some have loyalty to Israel first then the U.S."

Many of our citizens suffer from the same problem. It is a good thing for my tax dollars to provide healthcare and free college education for Israelis. Our citizens do not deserve the same benefits. The Israelis that benefit from these programs are victims. Our working poor and poor are just lazy according to a good number of our citizens.

If the Israeli government is always right then it stands to reason Healthcare and education are rights for all people. Israel practices genocide but then so do we. How many people do you think we kill a year by refusing to give them access to healthcare, food, and shelter? All for the bottom line of the medical scam we laughingly call a healthcare system.

How many of our young people have died protecting Israel? Iraq was no threat to us but it could have been a threat to Israel. Now we are to attack Iran for Israel. How much American blood is enough.

We should care for our own first. How can this country be a moral compass for the rest of the world. Our police kill unarmed children, we allow people to die from treatable medical problems, we allow children to live in the street without food, and we blame the victims. We are hypocrites in the worst way.

Now will come the label "Jew Hater". I don't hate anyone. I just love my fellow citizens. Something is lacking in this country.