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Jul 4, 2015 19:26:41   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
It occurs to me that many of us who profess "Christianity" spend too much time in actuallity, professing our own innocence, or our own "righteousness." What does the world care if we don't like what we see in them? And why cannot we see the "image of God," in every man, woman, and child that comes into our field of vision?

What is it about walking and talking among sinners that scares us so badly? Is it ourselves we fear? Can we not overcome the temptations which we perceive to be so rampant among "them?"

Jesus himself was castigated constantly for walking among perceived "sinners," even "dining" among them. The "self-righteous" Pharisees publicly condemned him for behaving so against their perceived idea of "Godly living."

Paul the Apostle, writing to the saints in Corinth, said "But now, I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is CALLED A BROTHER be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one (A BROTHER IN CHRIST), no, not to eat.

For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?" Do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without, God judgeth. Therefore, put away from among youreselves, that wicked (SINNING BROTHER IN CHRIST) person.

It is no wonder that the world laughs at "Christians;" for much of the time, we are laughable. We castigate the world and its ways, yet quietly preach a "social gospel" for fear of "hurting anyone's feelings," if they are "members of our church." What hypocrisy. What guile. What an offense to the blood of Christ. Christians not only judge the world, which is God's jurisdiction, but they do many of the same things for which they judge others.

Paul, in his letter to the saints at Rome, said "Therefore, thou art inexcusable, o man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest DOEST THE SAME THINGS."

Jesus ate with sinners - Paul preached to sinning Gentiles - the Gospel is for a sinful world into which we are told to go! We are NOT told to "come ye out from among them - sinners" We are told to "come ye out from among them - sinning brethren" and be ye separate.

Just thought you should know.

And reflect

And repent

And if any out there wish to debate the "scripturalness" of homosexuality, you have found your opponent. But I shall not come to you. you must come to me. For in my house, it is unscriptural.

In Christian love

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Jul 4, 2015 19:32:18   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Theo wrote:
It occurs to me that many of us who profess "Christianity" spend too much time in actuallity, professing our own innocence, or our own "righteousness." What does the world care if we don't like what we see in them? And why cannot we see the "image of God," in every man, woman, and child that comes into our field of vision?

What is it about walking and talking among sinners that scares us so badly? Is it ourselves we fear? Can we not overcome the temptations which we perceive to be so rampant among "them?"

Jesus himself was castigated constantly for walking among perceived "sinners," even "dining" among them. The "self-righteous" Pharisees publicly condemned him for behaving so against their perceived idea of "Godly living."

Paul the Apostle, writing to the saints in Corinth, said "But now, I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is CALLED A BROTHER be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one (A BROTHER IN CHRIST), no, not to eat.

For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?" Do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without, God judgeth. Therefore, put away from among youreselves, that wicked (SINNING BROTHER IN CHRIST) person.

It is no wonder that the world laughs at "Christians;" for much of the time, we are laughable. We castigate the world and its ways, yet quietly preach a "social gospel" for fear of "hurting anyone's feelings," if they are "members of our church." What hypocrisy. What guile. What an offense to the blood of Christ. Christians not only judge the world, which is God's jurisdiction, but they do many of the same things for which they judge others.

Paul, in his letter to the saints at Rome, said "Therefore, thou art inexcusable, o man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest DOEST THE SAME THINGS."

Jesus ate with sinners - Paul preached to sinning Gentiles - the Gospel is for a sinful world into which we are told to go! We are NOT told to "come ye out from among them - sinners" We are told to "come ye out from among them - sinning brethren" and be ye separate.

Just thought you should know.

And reflect

And repent

And if any out there wish to debate the "scripturalness" of homosexuality, you have found your opponent. But I shall not come to you. you must come to me. For in my house, it is unscriptural.

In Christian love
It occurs to me that many of us who profess "... (show quote)


:thumbup:Kinda goes along with Matthew 5:38-48, doesn't it. :wink:

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Jul 4, 2015 21:10:46   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
Searching wrote:
:thumbup:Kinda goes along with Matthew 5:38-48, doesn't it. :wink:


Yes! The problem comes with preachers who forget what they are supposed to be preaching, and to whom they are supposed to preach.

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Jul 5, 2015 00:17:36   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Theo wrote:
Yes! The problem comes with preachers who forget what they are supposed to be preaching, and to whom they are supposed to preach.


Do you feel there is a difference between "Nations" vs. "The World"?

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Jul 5, 2015 08:39:57   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
Armageddun wrote:
Do you feel there is a difference between "Nations" vs. "The World"?


Depends upon context. For example, sometimes "The world" is a reference to the physical earth; sometimes an age of an event or of a person of significance, i.e., "The world of Abraham; The world of the dinosaurs, etc.

Sometimes "The World" is a reference to influences of a nature common to flesh, opposed to the spirit.

"Nations" is usually consistently a reference to segments of humanity, divided by borders or identifiable property significations.

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Jul 5, 2015 12:43:42   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
Theo wrote:
It occurs to me that many of us who profess "Christianity" spend too much time in actuallity, professing our own innocence, or our own "righteousness." What does the world care if we don't like what we see in them? And why cannot we see the "image of God," in every man, woman, and child that comes into our field of vision?

What is it about walking and talking among sinners that scares us so badly? Is it ourselves we fear? Can we not overcome the temptations which we perceive to be so rampant among "them?"

Jesus himself was castigated constantly for walking among perceived "sinners," even "dining" among them. The "self-righteous" Pharisees publicly condemned him for behaving so against their perceived idea of "Godly living."

Paul the Apostle, writing to the saints in Corinth, said "But now, I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is CALLED A BROTHER be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one (A BROTHER IN CHRIST), no, not to eat.

For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?" Do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without, God judgeth. Therefore, put away from among youreselves, that wicked (SINNING BROTHER IN CHRIST) person.

It is no wonder that the world laughs at "Christians;" for much of the time, we are laughable. We castigate the world and its ways, yet quietly preach a "social gospel" for fear of "hurting anyone's feelings," if they are "members of our church." What hypocrisy. What guile. What an offense to the blood of Christ. Christians not only judge the world, which is God's jurisdiction, but they do many of the same things for which they judge others.

Paul, in his letter to the saints at Rome, said "Therefore, thou art inexcusable, o man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest DOEST THE SAME THINGS."

Jesus ate with sinners - Paul preached to sinning Gentiles - the Gospel is for a sinful world into which we are told to go! We are NOT told to "come ye out from among them - sinners" We are told to "come ye out from among them - sinning brethren" and be ye separate.

Just thought you should know.

And reflect

And repent

And if any out there wish to debate the "scripturalness" of homosexuality, you have found your opponent. But I shall not come to you. you must come to me. For in my house, it is unscriptural.

In Christian love
It occurs to me that many of us who profess "... (show quote)


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Fantastic post! I agree with you, 100%! (I would say. Your post is, "awesome," but I reserve that word for references to God, The Christ and the Holy Spirit. To me, only They deserve the word, "awesome," as only They am I "in awe" of.)

Citizens of this country have the rights to, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Should this involve "marrying a person of the same sex? While I don't, personally, agree with that lifestyle, and I'm not forced to live it, what two other consenting adults do, doesn't affect me negatively. I'm still happily married to my female wife.

I have friends and close relatives who are gay. One cousin recently married his partner of 15 years because the State of Florida made it legal. Now, it's recognized in all 50 states.

To me, the issue was actually over the word, "marriage." From all of the newscasts and the bloggers and the "Letters to the Editor," the Christian Right has tried to take ownership of the word; allowing it to only reference a union between a man and a woman.

To me, it's just a word describing the joining of a couple. Where's the uproar when it's written that two pieces of metal were "married" to form a junction or an angle or any sort of object? Or, when it's said that a man is "married to his car," or that the woman is "married to her shoe collection? How about when, "two ideas are married to form a better one?" When a chef "marries two or more ingredients," to make a delicious sauce? It's a word, people!

It's NOT a sacred word, either, like some of you feel toward using the word, "God." You write, "G*d." You're trying to show reverence to the name of the Creator. I get that.

Also, "marriage" has been denigrated since Eve got Adam to sin against God. Plus, look at how "marriage" has fallen in favor. Our divorce rate is at 50%. That tells me that HALF of the heterosexuals in our country don't put much effort into maintaining their marriages. And, this isn't even mentioning the many couples who are living together without the "benefit of marriage." Perhaps, these couples don't see much of a benefit in getting married. Or, they're simply trying each other out to see if they're compatible with one another before "marriage."

Reports from December of 2014 (just late, last year) show that the divorce rate among same-sex couples is between 11% and 14%. Again, the divorce rate for heterosexual couples is at 50%! You tell me which group thinks more of their "marriages!" Which group puts forth more effort in keeping their marriages/civil unions together? Which group holds their marriages in a higher "sanctity?" Just saying....

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Jul 5, 2015 20:54:04   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
:thumbup: Another sane voice in the universe speaking out in cyberspace!!! Yes!! Sorry, I got carried away. :oops: I agree with all of what you both have so articulately stated.

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Jul 7, 2015 02:56:52   #
fiatlux
 
Theo wrote:
It occurs to me that many of us who profess "Christianity" spend too much time in actuallity, professing our own innocence, or our own "righteousness." What does the world care if we don't like what we see in them? And why cannot we see the "image of God," in every man, woman, and child that comes into our field of vision?

What is it about walking and talking among sinners that scares us so badly? Is it ourselves we fear? Can we not overcome the temptations which we perceive to be so rampant among "them?"

Jesus himself was castigated constantly for walking among perceived "sinners," even "dining" among them. The "self-righteous" Pharisees publicly condemned him for behaving so against their perceived idea of "Godly living."

Paul the Apostle, writing to the saints in Corinth, said "But now, I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is CALLED A BROTHER be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one (A BROTHER IN CHRIST), no, not to eat.

For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?" Do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without, God judgeth. Therefore, put away from among youreselves, that wicked (SINNING BROTHER IN CHRIST) person.

It is no wonder that the world laughs at "Christians;" for much of the time, we are laughable. We castigate the world and its ways, yet quietly preach a "social gospel" for fear of "hurting anyone's feelings," if they are "members of our church." What hypocrisy. What guile. What an offense to the blood of Christ. Christians not only judge the world, which is God's jurisdiction, but they do many of the same things for which they judge others.

Paul, in his letter to the saints at Rome, said "Therefore, thou art inexcusable, o man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest DOEST THE SAME THINGS."

Jesus ate with sinners - Paul preached to sinning Gentiles - the Gospel is for a sinful world into which we are told to go! We are NOT told to "come ye out from among them - sinners" We are told to "come ye out from among them - sinning brethren" and be ye separate.

Just thought you should know.

And reflect

And repent

And if any out there wish to debate the "scripturalness" of homosexuality, you have found your opponent. But I shall not come to you. you must come to me. For in my house, it is unscriptural.

In Christian love
It occurs to me that many of us who profess "... (show quote)


Let the fat person who gives so much to the church and has the best pew and dedicated stained-glass windows to be called on the carpet for his greed. And the divorcees who have remarried for their sin. And the bankers and Wall Street moguls for their sins. Why is the homosexual singled out?

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Jul 7, 2015 03:00:54   #
fiatlux
 
fiatlux wrote:
Let the fat person who gives so much to the church and has the best pew and dedicated stained-glass windows to be called on the carpet for his greed. And the divorcees who have remarried for their sin. And the bankers and Wall Street moguls for their sins. Why is the homosexual singled out?


Scripturally, eating lobster or shrimp is an equal abomination to homosexual sex.

Being homosexual, like being heterosexual, is not a sin; one must engage in illicit sex for sin. Is same-sex marriage sinful? Nothing in the Bible says that it is.

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Jul 7, 2015 06:06:06   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
fiatlux wrote:
Let the fat person who gives so much to the church and has the best pew and dedicated stained-glass windows to be called on the carpet for his greed. And the divorcees who have remarried for their sin. And the bankers and Wall Street moguls for their sins. Why is the homosexual singled out?


Why were Admah and Zeboim destroyed? Not because the fat person crowded the pew. Not for keeping up the supply of stained glass windows. Nor for the sin of divorce. Not for bad banking practices.

Deut 29:23

Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, (Remember "Gay Pride") fulness of bread, ( making too much money to remember God) and abundance of idleness (too much time on their hands) was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy (abandoned the poor).

Sounds like modern day America to me.

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Jul 7, 2015 14:21:13   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
alabuck wrote:
...cousin recently married his partner of 15 years because the State of Florida made it legal. Now, it's recognized in all 50 states.

Our divorce rate is at 50%. That tells me that HALF of the heterosexuals in our country don't put much effort into maintaining their marriages.

Reports from December of 2014 (just late, last year) show that the divorce rate among same-sex couples is between 11% and 14%. Again, the divorce rate for heterosexual couples is at 50%! You tell me which group thinks more of their "marriages!" Which group puts forth more effort in keeping their marriages/civil unions together? Which group holds their marriages in a higher "sanctity?" Just saying....
...cousin recently married his partner of 15 year... (show quote)


Isn't that just a tad disingenuous? Heterosexual marriage has been the norm for how many thousands of years? And Homosexual marriage has been legal in all 50 states for how many thousands of minutes?

Not comparable at all.

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Jul 7, 2015 18:25:09   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
Theo wrote:
Isn't that just a tad disingenuous? Heterosexual marriage has been the norm for how many thousands of years? And Homosexual marriage has been legal in all 50 states for how many thousands of minutes?

Not comparable at all.

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Theo,

Disingenuous? Not at all. If it's okay for the Religious Right to use marriage statistics and child abuse statistics to buttress their points, why is it not okay for the LGBT community to do the same? Also, the Religious Right likes to highlight statistical areas that they say the LGBT community is destroying our country, today. For you to now go back, "thousands of years," doesn't apply to the Religious Right's argument toward what's happening in our country, today.

Like I've said, I don't live my life like they do; but, I'm not in favor of using religion to argue a secular issue. This is about the "civil rights" of a group; not their religion. If there's anything "disingenuous" about this, it's the Religious Right's using God and His word to discriminate against someone different from the norm. This is no more antithetical than how the Native-Americans and the African-Americans were/are treated. All they want are the same (equal) opportunities to live as equal citizens of this country; free to live life; to have the same liberties, and to persue happiness, just like how we WASPs live.

Why is differentiating them, based on their sexual orientation any more righteous than claiming God endorsed slavery, based on Paul's writings:
Ephesians 6:4-6: "Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart."

Ephesians 6:5:"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."

Ephesians 6:9:"And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him."

Colossians 3:22:"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

Colossians 4:1:"Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven."

Titus 2:9:"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them."

And, Peter wrote in; 1 Peter 2:18:"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

And, this is just a few from the New Testament. Should I list some from the Old Testament?

Don't think for one minute that I'm endorsing slavery. I'm not. But, Christians have used the Bible, God and Christianity to validate their sins for quite a long time. To claim that the LGBT community are sinners and their lifestyle shouldn't be condoned is pure hyporacy on the part of Christians when it's very easy to see that they continue to sin by their judging of others. Judgments is God's domain; not mankinds.

Seems to me, that there are all kinds of "different" people on this planet. And, guess what, no one is forcing you, or anybody else, to live like they do. No one is forcing you to even like them. But, as long as you've decided to speak for God, let me remind you that we're told, after "... loving God with all of your heart, mind and soul," that in order to follow Jesus, we're "... to love [our] neighbors like [ourselves.]

Also, Jesus also tells us not to judge one another; as the plank in our eye is just as bad as the splinter we see in another's. (Although the implicative tone in that would seem to say that our sins are worse than what were judging against others.) And, "... whosoever among you that is without sin, cast the first stone." (Please note, here He dosent produce any "list of sins" by degree of "not-so-bad a sin" to "this-one-is-a-non-forgiveable sin," either. He just lumps them all together and calls it, "sin.")

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Jul 8, 2015 11:04:40   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
alabuck wrote:
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Theo,

Disingenuous? Not at all. If it's okay for the Religious Right to use marriage statistics and child abuse statistics to buttress their points, why is it not okay for the LGBT community to do the same?


Because Heterosexual marriage is measured in centuries. Homosexual marriage is measured since month before last. How is there even a statistic for that?

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Also, the Religious Right likes to highlight statistical areas that they say the LGBT community is destroying our country, today. For you to now go back, "thousands of years," doesn't apply to the Religious Right's argument toward what's happening in our country, today.


You've decided that, have you? How is it you can ask "What's wrong with Homosexual lifestyle?" and when we cite historical fact of destruction of nations, you say "Oh, you can't go back beyond when the law was enacted."

And it is not a "Religious right" it is a God fearing nation, with a few unbelieving idiots who think they are in charge.

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Like I've said, I don't live my life like they do; but, I'm not in favor of using religion to argue a secular issue. This is about the "civil rights" of a group; not their religion.


Totally false! It is not o.k. for the secular world to dictate to the believing world, what kind of argument to use in defense or offense. They need to get used to having their motives questioned by other than "go along to get along" like minded simpletons. I don't like to use secular rhetoric to argue a religious issue. What's your point? It was a religious issue long before it was a secular one.

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If there's anything "disingenuous" about this, it's the Religious Right's using God and His word to discriminate against someone different from the norm.


That is like saying "It is disingenuous to discriminate against someone different from the norm" when you try to get someone arrested for murdering your room mate with a knife instead of a gun. Homosexual life-style has caused the downfall of cities, communities, nations and civilizations long before uncaring citizens began to care more for the Homosexual perpetrator than they do for the priest of God who prays in their midst fro God to forgive their ignorance.

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This is no more antithetical than how the Native-Americans and the African-Americans were/are treated. All they want are the same (equal) opportunities to live as equal citizens of this country; free to live life; to have the same liberties, and to persue happiness, just like how we WASPs live.


That is total nonsense. The "Native American" never wanted "equality," they only wanted to make war, eat buffalo, steal horses to prove their manhood, and fornicate.
The so called "African-American" (None of whom are citizens of Africa) never got past the grass hut and dirt floor, and considered their half-naked King to be God sent.

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Why is differentiating them, based on their sexual orientation any more righteous than claiming God endorsed slavery, based on Paul's writings:
Ephesians 6:4-6: "Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart."
Why is differentiating them, based on their sexual... (show quote)


Paul expressed the truth about slavery, that it began as an expression of mercy, because they then would not have to kill prisoners of war, but would use them in labor intent situations.

Ephesians 6:5:"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."

Ephesians 6:9:"And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him."

Colossians 3:22:"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

Colossians 4:1:"Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven."

Titus 2:9:"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them."

And, Peter wrote in; 1 Peter 2:18:"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

And, this is just a few from the New Testament. Should I list some from the Old Testament?[/quote]

Whatever moves you to publish.

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Don't think for one minute that I'm endorsing slavery. I'm not. But, Christians have used the Bible, God and Christianity to validate their sins for quite a long time.


So if you were walking around the towns of New England in slave days, and happened upon an auction where slaves were offered for sale, and you heard the salesman says
"Who will buy this old slave? If no one buys him, I will just have to kill him and begin with a new, younger slave." And you would just continue wandering around, ignoring the plight of the slave, but considering yourself righteous because you after all, do not own a slave. Neither do you show any interest in buying the slave to set him free, to save his life. That is a worse kind of hypocrisy than the man who owns a slave as an act of mercy.

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To claim that the LGBT community are sinners and their lifestyle shouldn't be condoned is pure hyporacy on the part of Christians when it's very easy to see that they continue to sin by their judging of others.


And that is stupidity at its most blatant practice. You do not even comprehend what Christian judgment is about, but think to spew a reference to "Thou shalt not judge" as though it is a "sin" to judge in any capacity whatsoever.

Christians are not to "judge" in the same way the world perception defines judging. Christians are to be the standard by which the world is judged; the standard by which Angels are judged, and the standard by which they themselves are to be judged. And Christ is their standard by which they are measured, to become like-standards.

In other words, when God judges the world, the Homosexual may well state his defense the same way he does on this board, "I was born this way" of "I did not consider it to be sinful, but only an expression of my natural love for my neighbor;" or "Oh, your standard is so high no one can live that way."

But God will tell the sinning world, You say "no one can live to that high standard. Look to the Christian. He is the standard by which you will be judged. And my son is the standard by which those Christians will be judged. So don't tell me it can't be done." And when the Christian shows up humble, and asks forgiveness for his sins, he is forgiven, because he at least tried, in a difficult and unfeeling world of unbelief. And when the failures show up and ask for forgiveness for their sins, they will not receive it, because first, they did not believe that their unbelief was sin, second they did not believe their unholy behavior was sin, and third, they did not try to find out and change when it became evident.

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Judgments is God's domain; not mankinds.


Then explain God's instruction through The Apostle Paul to the saints at Corinth -

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1 Corinthians 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

1 Corinthians 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

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Seems to me, that there are all kinds of "different" people on this planet. And, guess what, no one is forcing you, or anybody else, to live like they do. No one is forcing you to even like them. But, as long as you've decided to speak for God, let me remind you that we're told, after "... loving God with all of your heart, mind and soul," that in order to follow Jesus, we're "... to love (our) neighbors like (ourselves.)


Evidently you don't know any more about "Godly love" than you do about "Righteous judging."

We are to love one another as "images of God" - and teach first by word, and then by example, what righteousness before God consists of. We are to encourage the new convert to increase in faith, learn to eliminate ignorance, and seek to set an example so others will see the changes in our lives, and want to know how they can attain the peace that comes with faith and observance of Godly Love.

And not, no Christian "hates" any fellow man; we simply cannot abide with the man who cannot contain his person, but constantly yields to his lusts and evil desires. And it is not so much a case of our righteousness is better than your righteousness, but is rather more a case of "I have overcome many of the temptations of life, and you are reminding me of those things that tempted me, and I am beginning to feel the draw of those temptations, and I have been instructed to withdraw myself from such men, and repent of the unrighteousness of my desires, and continue to try to grow in faith and knowledge in such a way that the behavior of men will not cause me to be tempted above what I am able to overcome.

Any Christian who forgets his own worldly beginnings is going to have many opportunities to be reminded of them.

We wish to save our Fellow Man by his strengths, not condemn him because of his weaknesses.

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Jul 8, 2015 13:08:52   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Theo wrote:
It occurs to me that many of us who profess "Christianity" spend too much time in actuallity, professing our own innocence, or our own "righteousness." What does the world care if we don't like what we see in them? And why cannot we see the "image of God," in every man, woman, and child that comes into our field of vision?

What is it about walking and talking among sinners that scares us so badly? Is it ourselves we fear? Can we not overcome the temptations which we perceive to be so rampant among "them?"

Jesus himself was castigated constantly for walking among perceived "sinners," even "dining" among them. The "self-righteous" Pharisees publicly condemned him for behaving so against their perceived idea of "Godly living."

Paul the Apostle, writing to the saints in Corinth, said "But now, I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is CALLED A BROTHER be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one (A BROTHER IN CHRIST), no, not to eat.

For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?" Do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without, God judgeth. Therefore, put away from among youreselves, that wicked (SINNING BROTHER IN CHRIST) person.

It is no wonder that the world laughs at "Christians;" for much of the time, we are laughable. We castigate the world and its ways, yet quietly preach a "social gospel" for fear of "hurting anyone's feelings," if they are "members of our church." What hypocrisy. What guile. What an offense to the blood of Christ. Christians not only judge the world, which is God's jurisdiction, but they do many of the same things for which they judge others.

Paul, in his letter to the saints at Rome, said "Therefore, thou art inexcusable, o man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest DOEST THE SAME THINGS."

Jesus ate with sinners - Paul preached to sinning Gentiles - the Gospel is for a sinful world into which we are told to go! We are NOT told to "come ye out from among them - sinners" We are told to "come ye out from among them - sinning brethren" and be ye separate.

Just thought you should know.

And reflect

And repent

And if any out there wish to debate the "scripturalness" of homosexuality, you have found your opponent. But I shall not come to you. you must come to me. For in my house, it is unscriptural.

In Christian love
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Yup, I'm not sure how long it's taken you to realize this, but yeah. You can't read minds, and no one else can either.

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Jul 8, 2015 15:34:36   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Yup, I'm not sure how long it's taken you to realize this, but yeah. You can't read minds, and no one else can either.


I don't read hearts or minds. I read activity, and results.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

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