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Jul 2, 2015 11:49:27   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
Most of us have witnessed an overall spiritual and moral decline in America in our lifetime. This decline seems to be moving more rapidly than any of us would have dreamed. We are warned about this in the Bible. And yes, many prophecies have come true and are coming true before our very eyes. My question and curiosity is this: Are you prepared or are you in the process of preparing and what are some of the measures you are taking ? I know many of us pray regularly alone and in groups, some of us are outspoken, some of us contribute time and money, some of us mentor or teach, stockpile weapons, food, medicines, survival equipment and even build underground shelters. Some of us have already moved to friendlier Christian countries in Central and South America or have looked into this. I was hoping some of you would share some wisdom, advice or personal experience or options available to those of us who are concerned as to what we can or should do in these " certain " times. Thank you. I am going to take my morning nap but shall return. Moses, I mean Rufus.

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Jul 4, 2015 16:14:48   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
Rufus wrote:
Most of us have witnessed an overall spiritual and moral decline in America in our lifetime. This decline seems to be moving more rapidly than any of us would have dreamed. We are warned about this in the Bible. And yes, many prophecies have come true and are coming true before our very eyes. My question and curiosity is this: Are you prepared or are you in the process of preparing and what are some of the measures you are taking ? I know many of us pray regularly alone and in groups, some of us are outspoken, some of us contribute time and money, some of us mentor or teach, stockpile weapons, food, medicines, survival equipment and even build underground shelters. Some of us have already moved to friendlier Christian countries in Central and South America or have looked into this. I was hoping some of you would share some wisdom, advice or personal experience or options available to those of us who are concerned as to what we can or should do in these " certain " times. Thank you. I am going to take my morning nap but shall return. Moses, I mean Rufus.
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May I suggest---
You are correct, many who should know better, will turn to scriptures to justify preparations for a long siege, in order to survive to live and work another day. But why? Won't that simply delay our being lifted into heaven? Is Death really the worst that can happen? I think a fear that can cause a man to delay his approach to eternal glory, is a fear none of us need. It can even cause us to question our own faith.

I do not seek death. I seek only to demonstrate my faith. And my faith refuses to allow me to cringe at the thought of being killed for testifying to the reality of God.

"Go to the ant thou sluggard, consider her ways and be wise" is one I remember from long ago; used to justify such preparation, but it seems to me it would be misplaced,
because it has nothing to do with trying to survive a holocaust; it rather serves to remind folks to stay busy working with the hands for those things we pray to God to provide.

Sometimes it seems a little misleading for Christians to expect God to do all the work.

In fact God tells his children, upon the occasion of pondering why an enemy appears so overpowering, as to cause fear, "You have not resisted unto blood, striving against sin."[Heb 12:4]

This nation will be held accountable because no one has defended the children aborted, murdered, because they were considered an inconvenience to women who wanted to play, and men who could care less. We should have stopped and considered, and "resisted unto blood, striving against" the evil that is named Abortion.

And if that does not keep us busy enough, there is the evil of Homosexuality, against which we should have resisted unto blood, striving against such evil.

We have as much for which to give an account, because of our silence, as do the Abortionist and the Homosexual for their speaking out to cause the downfall of what was once known as a "God-fearing" country. Now we simply take our fears to God in prayer, and ask Him to do what we should have been doing all the time.

What say you?

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Jul 4, 2015 20:00:03   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
Theo wrote:
May I suggest---
You are correct, many who should know better, will turn to scriptures to justify preparations for a long siege, in order to survive to live and work another day. But why? Won't that simply delay our being lifted into heaven? Is Death really the worst that can happen? I think a fear that can cause a man to delay his approach to eternal glory, is a fear none of us need. It can even cause us to question our own faith.

I do not seek death. I seek only to demonstrate my faith. And my faith refuses to allow me to cringe at the thought of being killed for testifying to the reality of God.

"Go to the ant thou sluggard, consider her ways and be wise" is one I remember from long ago; used to justify such preparation, but it seems to me it would be misplaced,
because it has nothing to do with trying to survive a holocaust; it rather serves to remind folks to stay busy working with the hands for those things we pray to God to provide.

Sometimes it seems a little misleading for Christians to expect God to do all the work.

In fact God tells his children, upon the occasion of pondering why an enemy appears so overpowering, as to cause fear, "You have not resisted unto blood, striving against sin."[Heb 12:4]

This nation will be held accountable because no one has defended the children aborted, murdered, because they were considered an inconvenience to women who wanted to play, and men who could care less. We should have stopped and considered, and "resisted unto blood, striving against" the evil that is named Abortion.

And if that does not keep us busy enough, there is the evil of Homosexuality, against which we should have resisted unto blood, striving against such evil.

We have as much for which to give an account, because of our silence, as do the Abortionist and the Homosexual for their speaking out to cause the downfall of what was once known as a "God-fearing" country. Now we simply take our fears to God in prayer, and ask Him to do what we should have been doing all the time.

What say you?
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You make great points and I fully understand. I am very outspoken and bold in my testimony and bold about speaking against the evil in America and around the world. I am active in several study groups, many about prophecy. I write, e-mail, petition and call all my reps and all in Washington including pres. Barry. But I am also reminded of Jesus telling His apostles to get swords in the garden of Gethsemane just before He was arrested and taken away to be tried and crucified. I study the battles in the Old Testament. I believe we have a right to protect ourselves, loved ones and other innocents from evil. The Bible also tells us to watch and prepare. The Bible tells those , most likely Jews, to flee to the mountains. I know we are called on to love our enemies but that does not mean we have to like them. We can pray they will be saved and I do. But I will fight to the death, mine and theirs. I know where I am going. If the Lord needs to correct me, He will do it while I am in His presence. Amen ?

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Jul 4, 2015 21:41:51   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
Rufus wrote:
You make great points and I fully understand. I am very outspoken and bold in my testimony and bold about speaking against the evil in America and around the world. I am active in several study groups, many about prophecy. I write, e-mail, petition and call all my reps and all in Washington including pres. Barry. But I am also reminded of Jesus telling His apostles to get swords in the garden of Gethsemane just before He was arrested and taken away to be tried and crucified. I study the battles in the Old Testament. I believe we have a right to protect ourselves, loved ones and other innocents from evil. The Bible also tells us to watch and prepare. The Bible tells those , most likely Jews, to flee to the mountains. I know we are called on to love our enemies but that does not mean we have to like them. We can pray they will be saved and I do. But I will fight to the death, mine and theirs. I know where I am going. If the Lord needs to correct me, He will do it while I am in His presence. Amen ?
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Amen!!!

Do you know why Jesus told them to "buy a sword?" Because there was a prophecy "He was numbered with the transgressors." Using a sword against Roman Soldiers, or against their own Sanhedrin council was considered a transgression.

Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Mark 14:47 And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.

Luke 22:49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword? 50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. 51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

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Jul 4, 2015 23:55:51   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
Theo wrote:
Amen!!!

Do you know why Jesus told them to "buy a sword?" Because there was a prophecy "He was numbered with the transgressors." Using a sword against Roman Soldiers, or against their own Sanhedrin council was considered a transgression.

Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Mark 14:47 And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.

Luke 22:49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword? 50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. 51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.
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Amen. I think it was Peter who cut off the soldiers ear and I believe when they came to arrest Jesus the soldiers fell back at the sound of Jesus' voice. He spoke the world into existence and I wonder if in the end His Word alone will defeat the enemy.

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Jul 5, 2015 00:21:58   #
fiatlux
 
Rufus wrote:
Most of us have witnessed an overall spiritual and moral decline in America in our lifetime. This decline seems to be moving more rapidly than any of us would have dreamed. We are warned about this in the Bible. And yes, many prophecies have come true and are coming true before our very eyes. My question and curiosity is this: Are you prepared or are you in the process of preparing and what are some of the measures you are taking ? I know many of us pray regularly alone and in groups, some of us are outspoken, some of us contribute time and money, some of us mentor or teach, stockpile weapons, food, medicines, survival equipment and even build underground shelters. Some of us have already moved to friendlier Christian countries in Central and South America or have looked into this. I was hoping some of you would share some wisdom, advice or personal experience or options available to those of us who are concerned as to what we can or should do in these " certain " times. Thank you. I am going to take my morning nap but shall return. Moses, I mean Rufus.
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America was far more immoral at its conception and for a few hundred years leading up to independence for everyone that was not white and rich than it is now. No slaves and not killing off the indigenous people the next hundred years: improvement. But labor is treated inhumanely for at least a century or more, almost chattle.

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Jul 5, 2015 00:32:14   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
fiatlux wrote:
America was far more immoral at its conception and for a few hundred years leading up to independence for everyone white and rich than it is now. No slaves and not killing off the indigenous people the next hundred years: improvement. But labor is treated inhumanely for at least a century or more, almost chattle.


I am looking for solutions and what preparations people have or are making because of what we have witnessed in our lifetime and this rapid decline. Yes, we can look back through history to civilizations which became even more unGodly and corrupt which lead to their destruction. What can we do now ? Thanks

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Jul 5, 2015 00:37:39   #
fiatlux
 
Rufus wrote:
I am looking for solutions and what preparations people have or are making because of what we have witnessed in our lifetime and this rapid decline. Yes, we can look back through history to civilizations which became even more unGodly and corrupt which lead to their destruction. What can we do now ? Thanks


There is no "rapid decline." From this country's inception, it has been morally-challenged. America began with injustice. It's tree was bad from the start.

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Jul 5, 2015 00:46:55   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
fiatlux wrote:
There is no "rapid decline." From this country's inception, it has been morally-challenged. America began with injustice. It's tree was bad from the start.

Thank you but I am looking for people who can offer solutions. Please find another post. Thank you.

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Jul 5, 2015 05:41:30   #
fiatlux
 
Rufus wrote:
Thank you but I am looking for people who can offer solutions. Please find another post. Thank you.


Solutions begin with recognizing the possible problems. Understand the problem or problems correctly and completely and the answers usually scream. A problem you noted was the "rapid decline" in morality. But is that true? For it to be a problem needing a solution it has to be real. Is morality on a "rapid decline" in America. We started with slavery and genocide as a nation so perhaps the word "decline" is relative. The moral ugliness of a segregated South and the likes of McCarthy is an apogee in evil; very, very hard to get worse than these two things.

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Jul 5, 2015 09:17:49   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
fiatlux wrote:
Solutions begin with recognizing the possible problems. Understand the problem or problems correctly and completely and the answers usually scream. A problem you noted was the "rapid decline" in morality. But is that true? For it to be a problem needing a solution it has to be real. Is morality on a "rapid decline" in America. We started with slavery and genocide as a nation so perhaps the word "decline" is relative. The moral ugliness of a segregated South and the likes of McCarthy is an apogee in evil; very, very hard to get worse than these two things.
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With all due respect you seem to have a problem understanding this post. I especially posted this in the Faith and Spirituality section. You may notice by the title that this is a Christian Post. I called on my brothers and sisters in Christ to give me their thinking on this. I made it clear I am talking to Christians about what we have witnessed in this lifetime. If you are a professing Christian and can understand the perimeters of this conversation and offer positive input, please by all means join us. If not there are many other posts that are about debate, history and all things negative. Please find one that suits you. Because here if you are not part of the solution, then you are the problem. Thank you so much for your consideration and we all wish you well in life. God bless.
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Jul 5, 2015 09:33:29   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
fiatlux wrote:
America was far more immoral at its conception and for a few hundred years leading up to independence for everyone that was not white and rich than it is now. No slaves and not killing off the indigenous people the next hundred years: improvement. But labor is treated inhumanely for at least a century or more, almost chattle.


America was "discovered" by European Explorers many times over a period of several hundred years, from the Viking raiders of Norway, in the tenth century, to Columbus in 1492, to many travelers in later times. As to any date for its "Conception" that is highly debatable.

Some place it around the time of the original thirteen colonies, and the early council developments that resulted in the move to open up the West to exploration.

The first explorers were not interested in exploiting the natives, or enforcing a slave economy upon indigent pagan societies. Rather, they were considered guests in a new land that seemed "God sent" to the men who made the early attempts at establishing a new world for their families.

The first slaves were brought into the nation several hundred years after Columbus first reported his findings to Ferdinand and Isabella.

Until 1676, indentured servants were the labor force, the first slaves transported in 1619, to replace indentured servants. It proved to be much more costly than anticipated, because purchase cost more than wages.

And you are correct, they were "chattel" in the strictest sense of the term. "Property" was another term that applied, but it must be remembered, Wives were considered "Property" of Husbands in those days, so it is not as ignoble as it first resonates. It was the standard and understanding of the times.

The problem was, indentured servants did not want to work in the conditions of early south plantation life. Slaves had not only no choice, but for the most part, spoke no English or French or Spanish, (the three languages prevalent early on), and knew nothing about sailing vessels back to their places of origin. And they were intimidated until it was too late to do much about it, having been sold by their own neighbors to Portuguese slavers.

The beginning of Slavery in America was not the work of white slave owners; it was the work of black power in Africa, where the kings of tribes learned early on, that they could knock the weaker citizens and lesser individuals on the head, and sell them to the Portuguese, attaining ever more riches and its accompanying power.

It could be argued that if the White landowners had not purchased, there would have been no market, but that is not reality, as most slaves in America had it better than slaves in other parts of the world, mostly because replacement was easier and cheaper when they did not have to cross an ocean; and was considerably more expensive for the plantation holders, who in many cases, took it into consideration and treated their laborers somewhat better as a result of the economics involved.

As for the "moral" aspect, there was nothing as vile as current rhetoric would have us believe. Economics ruled much more than immorality. Many of the slaves were promoted as they proved themselves trustworthy and capable, moving from the fields into the homes as domestic servants.

Slavery in this country became illegal because White America developed a conscience that would see every man free and equal in society. Literally thousands of white soldiers died to free the slaves, 620,000 being the latest estimate, including 180,000 blacks in the army and 80,000 in the navy; and approximately 440,000 white soldiers who died in the conflict.

Though there are many claims made about blacks serving in the Confederate military, there is no official documentation to back up the claims.

There were many moral and civil issues raised but mostly by later generations who like to pontificate upon earlier wrongs and claims that cannot be established other than by popular opinion.

Todays consistent call for "Reparations" is total nonsense, because there are no longer any slaves to whom reparation can be assessed, let alone paid. "Reparation" is not something owed to descendants several generations removed, mostly because the people who caused the wrongs are no longer alive to be assessed the damages for payment.

To claim that White America today owes Black Americans "reparations" because their ancestors generations ago were enslaved by their own black neighbors, is disingenuous at best. At worst, it is simply a mischief developed to make whites look bad, most, if not all of whom had nothing to do with the issue. And none of the blacks either.

As for "immorality of Slavery" as an issue, slavery was first practiced as an application of mercy to conquered city-nations. It was a matter of "What do we do with our prisoners?" "We can't feed them, nor take care of them because we have no economy sufficient to provide for them and ourselves."

But if they were made salves, they became the economy, and were easily fitted into a segment of society. It was several centuries later that slavery became its own economy, wherein they were sold to other people in other places, and were taken captive for the express purpose of being sold.

In America, one advantage slaves had in many places, was the effort to convert them to Christianity. It served to cause the owners to treat them much more humanely.

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Jul 5, 2015 19:01:47   #
fiatlux
 
Rufus wrote:
Amen. I think it was Peter who cut off the soldiers ear and I believe when they came to arrest Jesus the soldiers fell back at the sound of Jesus' voice. He spoke the world into existence and I wonder if in the end His Word alone will defeat the enemy.


In Revelation, the battle is being lost by the army of good. The whole conflict abruptly ends when Jesus speaks the word.

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Jul 5, 2015 19:23:03   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
fiatlux wrote:
In Revelation, the battle is being lost by the army of good. The whole conflict abruptly ends when Jesus speaks the word.


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Jul 6, 2015 14:39:34   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Rufus wrote:
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you should look at this website. I think you will find it interesting



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