fiatlux

Please share your opinion.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

As I understand it, when he was thirteen or fourteen he molested his younger sisters. Apparently the entire family went into counseling, but the claims now are that someone who was part of the counseling group had been a child molester. that claim and most of the "horror" about it is coming from left wing sources. those are the same ones who glorify those who molest boys and they have their own statues (Harry Hay) have postage stamps celebrating their accomplishments (Harvey Milk) or are used as the reason we should all celebrate and honor homosexual behavior (Allan Ginsberg, Walt Whitman, Keven Jennings) What Duggar did was horribly wrong, although as a juvenile he would not have been sent to prison for it, and hopefully he has asked God to help him keep from having those desires again, let alone acting on it. From the "Progressive" standpoint, however, the act is of no importance, what isimportant is that a religious family was involved. that is the same tactic they use to point out the number of priests and ministers who molest children, but choose to ignore the larger number of school personnel, teachers, principals, and counselors who are guilty of the same horrible crimes, but are covered up by the school system and the government. All those who do those horrendous acts are evil, not just those who claim to be Christians. What is most amazing is that the Koran actually allows sex with children, states that mn can start having sex with little girls when the girls are between 6 and 9 years of age, and that boys may be raped as often as a man wants, because they will be remade as "virgins" after each assault, and no one seems to care, calling Islam a religion of peace and love instead.

fiatlux

His actions, according to what I know, was toward his sisters and others. The Quiverfull Recipe for girls is sick and un-biblical. Based on their precepts, it is not hard to imagine some of the blame was put on them and forgiveness over healing for those poor girls dominated.

PeterS

When you live by the sword you die by the sword. If you make your living off the image of being squeaky clean you better live up to that image else you can expect to be skewered. Earlier Josh's mother blamed the way girls dress as being responsible for how boys behave around them. I wonder if she was making a comment about her own girls as clearly a boy took interest in them...

PeterS

So is it ok for conservative Christians to molest children because we liberals are so much worse? Is it because CC's are 'gentler' in their molestation that they should get a pass? Whats the reason?

PeterS

You know the blame was put on them. Who else would be responsible???

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

...so the left wing media is "over reacting", creating "mis-information"???

Aren't you the guy the counsels people in this very area?

I hope I never have to directions to the highway from you.

son of witless

So what do you think should be done with Josh Duggar? The crimes happened. The only one responsible is Josh Duggar. So tell me what his family is supposed to do? Tell me what Conservative Christians are supposed to do?

What do Liberals do when this happens in their families?

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

I did not say to ignore the molestation. If he has had counseling and so have his sisters I do not know what more you want to be done. As I ready the progressives comments, he should have been locked up forever for a series of molestations that he did when he was 13. If he ever does it again, then he should be locked up for a long time, but so far no information has come out indicating that to be the case. Michael Jackson molested a number of boys and many people knew about it, he paid out millions to the children and their parents.. no one screamed that his records should be banned, his movies removed from circulation. He was an adult and the only anger that ever emerged was toward the doctor who was responsible for his death... There are different standards for progressives as against conservatives, and that is what I waspointing out, but you chose to ignore that totally.

fiatlux

I pray to God it is not reduced, diluted, to how a certain political bent may deal with it. Josh and those girls may need help. Whatever is best to bring healing and recovery to all is the only thing that matters.

PeterS

What we don't do is say it is okay because someone else is worse nor do we attempt to blame girls for somehow provoking boys. As for what the Duggars and Christians are suppose to do--I would suggest you both stop blaming someone else...

PeterS

We don't sit around and blame others. The only thing we can comment on is what we know. I am not proposing that Josh be locked up but they chose to make their family public figures based on their image and because they didn't live up to that image there are consequences. As for Jackson, his career was over when the molestations were rumored and it cost him everything he had. Personally I would have liked it if he died rotting in jail but I have no problem with the outcome. There aren't different standards for liberals and conservatives it's just that liberals don't blame conservatives for problems that are their own.

fiatlux

I feel that if you looked up Quiverfull's beliefs, you would be as appalled as I am with the Duggars and their fiendish cult.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Peter, NPP has no logical reasons. He constantly talks about homosexual molestation because, apparently, he counsels victims of addiction and homosexual molestation. Just ask him, he will tell you.
He has a "Notional" Christian (The concept of notional Christians seems to have been created by the Barna Group for the purposes of gathering statistics. They define the term as follows: "We categorize Notional Christian as those who describe themselves as Christians, but do not believe that they will have eternal life because of their reliance upon the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the grace extended to people through a relationship with Christ. A large majority of these individuals believe they will have eternal life, but not because of a grace-based relationship with Jesus Christ." This neologism implies that some have the "notion" that they are Christian, though they do not meet the Barna Group's narrow, fundamentalist definition of Christian) attitude, but is woefully unknowledgeable about the bible. And I say that, because he suggests that the Duggar's should be forgiven. For all we know there could have been homosexual activity, but because that wasn't mentioned...at least the kid was normal, so he should be forgiven.
Let him get started on bizarre tangents in which in other countries there are polygamous marriages and that is the homosexual agenda. He doesn't provide any actual information, he just "read about it" somewhere.
You aren't going to negotiate any logical inferences with him. Don't waste your time.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

I shall do that today and find out what they really believe. It may be that the information is viewed through the eyes of the atheists, in which case it is suspect, but some religious cults have some very bazaar and evil beliefs.