Ranger7374 wrote:
The act of Homosexuality is an abomination, however, for the Church to turn away the homosexual is a worse abomination.
We do have a Nice God, for I do not see the fire and brimstone coming down from heaven by the angels command to smite Sodom and Gomorrah again do we? Where is the raining down of fire and ice against the homosexual? Where is the destruction of their cities of San Francisco, and Las Vegas, as well as Los Angeles?
No, God is merciful, and therefore is not raining down judgement yet, because He is giving the homosexuals time to repent of their sins.
However, the fire and brimstone will be worse for the Churches who refused the soul seeking change! If the homosexual is hit with fire and brimstone by say for sake of argument, a 500 megaton bomb, the Christian who refused to help the homosexual change, will be hit with a 50,000 megaton bomb.
Churches who turn away the homosexual are evil. Churches who conform to the homosexual are just as evil. Churches who help the homosexual to change are blessed.
He who has ears understand, He who can see, understand. Sheesh!
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You do realize I know that "change" is a swear word in the LGBTQ agenda, even though it has ben done a large number of times. I hope that you find this article interesting,
The Neurosis of the Anti-change Brigade
by aflame @ Monday, 27. Apr, 2015 12:18:33
On April 14th I attended the Transformation Potential Conference in London put on by CORE Issues Trust, Christian Concern and Anglican Mainstream. Of course the media decided to attend and reported the conference with varying degrees of inaccuracy claiming that we were trying to "pray away the gay" (The Independent) or were into "conversion therapy" (The Telegraph), but this was nothing to the attitude of the BBC.
If you read the details of the BBC Trust they are meant to be independent and to provide equal access to both sides of a debate. This though is not the case as they manipulated the subject both on Newsnight and on the Victoria Derbyshire programmes allowing the pro-gay and anti-SOCE (sexual orientation change efforts) voice to interrupt the pro-SOCE speaker and by not allowing the pro-SOCE speaker the right to reply. Considering how many people believe the BBC can be trusted - despite the deliberate misquotes of politicians by their chief political editor - this institutional bias is concerning. But through this bias something more was exposed - the neurosis of many anti-SOCE campaigners, in this case Dr Christian Jessen and Patrick Strudwick.
Dr Jessen, famous for his part of the Embarrassing Bodies show on Channel 4, "debated" against Dr Joseph Nicolosi. When, on Newsnight, Dr Nicolosi stated that through SOCE therapists help people become the people they want to be Jessen lept up and stated that this was false and all SOCE did was make people into what society wanted them to be. As Jessen knows this is nonsense. The various UK mental health bodies have taken a position, supported by the outgoing government, that to change sexual orientation is "unethical". Stonewall, despite High Court rulings that their adverts are in breach of equality guidelines, continue to run posters claiming that people are "gay" and have on their website discredited science claiming a higher percentage of twins where one is gay the other is gay than actually exists as well as claiming that a higher percentage of the population is gay (they claim 10% when the reality is 2%). Programmes like Challenging Homophobia In Primiary Schools (CHIPS), Schools Out, and Stonewall's own anti-bullying package tell people that they are gay, and this is fine. Both Schools Out and Stonewall through their work on Gay History make claims about people being gay which are extremely dubious (someone must be gay because they slept in the same bed as someone of the same gender in an age where this was common as people did not have separate bedrooms). These same programmes tell people that they were "born gay" and cannot change - despite the Royal College of Psychiatrists and the World Health Organisation saying differently. This is why clients tell me that they are rejecting the mindset, the idea that they are gay. Rather than helping them be who society wants them to be we are helping them go against the flow of media like the BBC, The Independent, The Telegraph and Dr Jessen's pseudoscientific "Cure Me, I'm Gay". Jessen knows this but cannot admit it, interestingly the presenter did not give Nicolosi a proper chance to reply allowing Jessen's statement to go unchallenged.
The case of Patrick Strudwick on Victoria Derbyshire's programme is even more enlightening. Strudwick is the journalist who has called for "war" against those who offer SOCEs, who attacks gay rights activists who question the born gay argument because he knows that he was born gay and let no-one tell him differently. In debating with Dr Mike Davidson, of CORE Issues Trust, Strudwick told Davidson that he was as "gay as a goose" and should accept who he really was. Again this was allowed to go all but unchallenged - something I experienced on the Big Questions when Sharon Ferguson, then head of the Gay Christian Movement, stated that Jesus had blessed the homosexual relationship between the Centurion and his slave, and that the "vast majority" of Biblical scholars believe this to be the case but no-one was allowed to correct her. Strudwick has shown that he cannot accept the scientific truth that sexuality can change. Even gay rights activists who are psychiatrists and have written reports against SOCEs such as Jack Drescher and Michael King recognise this - hence the recent change of statements from the Royal College of Psychiatrists and the World Health Organisation. So now we must ask why this is the case?
Why can Jessen not admit that the overwhelming message from society, from films like the Imitation Game to soaps like Eastenders to comedies like Modern Family to education programmes, is that homosexuality is normal? Why can he not admit that some people want to reject this message to become who they want to be? Why can Strudwick not admit that people can and do change from gay to straight? Why can he not admit that there are people who do not want to be gay?
Firstly, their sexuality has become their identity. Jessen and Strudwick can no longer see themselves as anything but homosexual. Jessen is not a doctor, he is not even a doctor who is gay - he is a homosexual doctor. Strudwick is not a journalist, he is not even a journalist who is gay - he is a homosexual journalist. Their meaning and reason for being has become their sexuality above and beyond anything else.
Secondly, despite their sexuality having consumed and subsumed everything else (and because their sexuality has consumed and subsumed everything else) their sense of self is extremely brittle and fragile. For Davidson and others to speak of their own experience of change is a direct attack on what they have become, on the idol of sexuality that controls their life. We also see this phenomena in the US amongst activists such as Wayne Bessen and Dr Jack Drescher as well as here in the UK in Dr Michael King, Dr Qazi Rahman, and Peter Tatchell amongst others. Like anyone who allows something other than self, whether that be sexuality or work, Jessen and Strudwick have started to appear neurotic and paranoid concerning other people. They need to control things to protect their false sense of self, and the way they do this is to attack, often in the nastiest of terms. This is worrying as, putting sexual orientation aside, can alienate people and leave them more and more isolated making the sense of self more and more brittle. It is those who, when the crash comes, cannot cope as their sense of identity crumbles because of a loss of job or whatever - leading sadly to attempted suicide, drug/alcoholic abuse or some other form of self-harm.
This is also why the pro-SOCE issue must be careful of their language, just as any therapeutic movement must be. While someone is willing to allow sexuality, work, or any behaviour pattern to become their identity people will feel under attack from those who could be the very ones who can help them when the sky falls in.
Yes we should always welcome with open arms those who want to leave the "gay lifestyle" behind and heal from the incomplete identity that for so many seem to be part of homosexuality. We should welcome into our homes and churches all those who are seeking a change, but we should not welcome those who want to change us.