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Mark Dice is at it again. This time mandatory euthanasia for old people
Jul 29, 2013 21:33:24   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
How stupid can some people be? These people really don't know what the words mandatory or euthanasia or both mean. I am going to get my CCW license so as to be able to take some of these people out if I ever see them. Stupidity results in signatures so often.

http://conservativevideos.com/2013/07/people-sign-petition-for-mandatory-euthanasia-for-senior-citizens-under-obamacare/

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Jul 30, 2013 08:54:00   #
matnc816
 
I cannot believe people are even having this discussion. This goes against GODS law. What kind of person would have the gall to think they have the right to K**L someone. Wasn't Kavorkian put in jail for this? I don't know if this is right but I read somewhere this is buried in the healthcare bill. What is it going to take for anyone someone to stand against this. Our society has sunk to it's lowest level if this is being discussed openly. Sadly there are so many brain dead living amongst us who have no idea what is going on. George Bernard Shaw touted this way back when. This is no different then what Hitler did to the Jews. I am disgusted with what we have become. When k*****g the elderly matters not, a******n up to the last minute matters not we have become a disgrace of a country.

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Jul 30, 2013 10:06:38   #
hoggie san
 
What do you expect from people that our education system(through our state and federal government) has "Dummied Down"? I use words that were commonly taught in grade and high school on collage graduates and gets looks or derogatory remarks about using such words. Using derogatory in a sentence would drive them crazy. At least I know enough to look a word up if I don't understand it. And I am old enough now to tell someone that I don't understand it without being embarassed. I said distitute to a recent college grad and they thought it was a racial slur. I used to think Jay Leno's street walking was a joke...but now I am scared about who is out there.

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Jul 30, 2013 10:16:43   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
matnc816 wrote:
I cannot believe people are even having this discussion. This goes against GODS law. What kind of person would have the gall to think they have the right to K**L someone. Wasn't Kavorkian put in jail for this? I don't know if this is right but I read somewhere this is buried in the healthcare bill. What is it going to take for anyone someone to stand against this. Our society has sunk to it's lowest level if this is being discussed openly. Sadly there are so many brain dead living amongst us who have no idea what is going on. George Bernard Shaw touted this way back when. This is no different then what Hitler did to the Jews. I am disgusted with what we have become. When k*****g the elderly matters not, a******n up to the last minute matters not we have become a disgrace of a country.
I cannot believe people are even having this discu... (show quote)


While it is, technically, different from what Hitler did to the Jews, it is exactly what he did to the elderly and mentally r****ded. Eugenics is a step-by-step method with a particular "end" in mind. All "means" are justified by the "end" achieved. Most people in Germany did not stand against the Eugenics of culling the elderly, the terminally ill, and the mentally challenged or disabled. It was a "step."

I think you will find Atheism distancing itself from "organized religion" was also a "step." Atheism originally was recognized as a "religion." Now, Atheists claim that the phrase "Congress shall make no law establishing a religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," does not apply to them. This allows Atheists to demand Congress make laws establishing their beliefs and prohibiting the free exercise of religions' beliefs under the guise of "freedom from religion."

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Jul 30, 2013 10:30:10   #
rumitoid
 
oldroy wrote:
How stupid can some people be? These people really don't know what the words mandatory or euthanasia or both mean. I am going to get my CCW license so as to be able to take some of these people out if I ever see them. Stupidity results in signatures so often.

http://conservativevideos.com/2013/07/people-sign-petition-for-mandatory-euthanasia-for-senior-citizens-under-obamacare/


I see the Republicans are looking for austerity cuts everywhere but k*****g old people to keep health care costs down, that is too much.

Of course, this little video only goes to show the lack of attention, stupidity, playfulness, and callousness of people in general. One of those who signed said as he left, "They have a right to live." (But he seemed stoned.) The lie of "death panels" in ACA probably prompted this joke.

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Jul 30, 2013 11:06:30   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
matnc816 wrote:
I cannot believe people are even having this discussion. This goes against GODS law. What kind of person would have the gall to think they have the right to K**L someone. Wasn't Kavorkian put in jail for this? I don't know if this is right but I read somewhere this is buried in the healthcare bill. What is it going to take for anyone someone to stand against this. Our society has sunk to it's lowest level if this is being discussed openly. Sadly there are so many brain dead living amongst us who have no idea what is going on. George Bernard Shaw touted this way back when. This is no different then what Hitler did to the Jews. I am disgusted with what we have become. When k*****g the elderly matters not, a******n up to the last minute matters not we have become a disgrace of a country.
I cannot believe people are even having this discu... (show quote)


so whats the difference between k*****g old people and k*****g babies

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Jul 30, 2013 18:44:58   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
oldroy wrote:
How stupid can some people be? These people really don't know what the words mandatory or euthanasia or both mean. I am going to get my CCW license so as to be able to take some of these people out if I ever see them. Stupidity results in signatures so often.

http://conservativevideos.com/2013/07/people-sign-petition-for-mandatory-euthanasia-for-senior-citizens-under-obamacare/


Good one, oldroy. I wonder if they even realized that by giving their birthday they might have been signing their own death warrant. Barnum was right: there's a sucker born every minute.

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Jul 30, 2013 19:01:54   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
rumitoid wrote:
I see the Republicans are looking for austerity cuts everywhere but k*****g old people to keep health care costs down, that is too much.

Of course, this little video only goes to show the lack of attention, stupidity, playfulness, and callousness of people in general. One of those who signed said as he left, "They have a right to live." (But he seemed stoned.) The lie of "death panels" in ACA probably prompted this joke.


What is the name of that 15 member panel that Obamacare provides to make rules about the rationing of care? I can never think of it but it will be there and we old people will find ourselves at the back of the line for most kinds of care. You and that lie stuff just can't get it through your heads that that group will exist.

I felt just like you about those fools and Dice did too. You didn't notice him laughing after a couple of those young women signed?

I agree with you that those people were pretty simple minded but they either were just a bit stoned of they were purely stupid.

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Jul 30, 2013 19:07:01   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
alex wrote:
so whats the difference between k*****g old people and k*****g babies


That would be a good question for rumitoid to answer. Of course, I understand why they want to ration care for old people when younger ones may need the same treatment but I sure don't understand about the same thing for unborn babies. During the early days of discussion about Obamacare there was plenty from Zeke Emanuel, who is still in the White House, about people of little age just don't deserve care that those over 15 could need. Those people would be able to contribute to the collective but children under, say 12, wouldn't be able to do that.

It is the collective that is the most important and those of us who can't contribute aren't seen as worthy of care. Since I am near to 81 I can see why they want to allow me to die.

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Jul 30, 2013 19:08:51   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
While it is, technically, different from what Hitler did to the Jews, it is exactly what he did to the elderly and mentally r****ded. Eugenics is a step-by-step method with a particular "end" in mind. All "means" are justified by the "end" achieved. Most people in Germany did not stand against the Eugenics of culling the elderly, the terminally ill, and the mentally challenged or disabled. It was a "step."

I think you will find Atheism distancing itself from "organized religion" was also a "step." Atheism originally was recognized as a "religion." Now, Atheists claim that the phrase "Congress shall make no law establishing a religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," does not apply to them. This allows Atheists to demand Congress make laws establishing their beliefs and prohibiting the free exercise of religions' beliefs under the guise of "freedom from religion."
While it is, technically, different from what Hitl... (show quote)


You said the atheist stuff very well and I wonder what they would says about the way you said it. They don't like to see that freedom from religion being compared to freedom of religion.

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Jul 31, 2013 00:39:33   #
Quizzal Loc: TN
 
Mark Dice himself and all members of congress and most government employees - including the IRS - over the age of 50 - needs to go first!

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Jul 31, 2013 01:17:55   #
rumitoid
 
oldroy wrote:
What is the name of that 15 member panel that Obamacare provides to make rules about the rationing of care? I can never think of it but it will be there and we old people will find ourselves at the back of the line for most kinds of care. You and that lie stuff just can't get it through your heads that that group will exist.

I felt just like you about those fools and Dice did too. You didn't notice him laughing after a couple of those young women signed?

I agree with you that those people were pretty simple minded but they either were just a bit stoned of they were purely stupid.
What is the name of that 15 member panel that Obam... (show quote)


There is a horrible thing called triage, which is really an ultimately vital tool in assessing who should and should not receive care, usually during wide scale catastrophies, based on the best chance of survival according to a brief medical exam. Effectively, this is a variety of what people think with horror is a Death Panel.

Assessing proper care between those recognized as terminal, having less than 3 months to live by an in-depth prognosis, needing only paaliative care, and those with acute but survival illnesses, is standard medical practice--not a death panel.

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Jul 31, 2013 12:27:35   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is a horrible thing called triage, which is really an ultimately vital tool in assessing who should and should not receive care, usually during wide scale catastrophies, based on the best chance of survival according to a brief medical exam. Effectively, this is a variety of what people think with horror is a Death Panel.

Assessing proper care between those recognized as terminal, having less than 3 months to live by an in-depth prognosis, needing only paaliative care, and those with acute but survival illnesses, is standard medical practice--not a death panel.
There is a horrible thing called triage, which is ... (show quote)


I will take it for granted that you have never heard of IPAB. That would be the Independent Payment Advisory Board that Obamacare calls for. You can read from places like Stink Prog that these 15 people would be health care experts but there is no requirement that they have any medical experience. I think that Obama would appoint not one doctor on that group and in case you don't really understand, triage is always done by medical people on the scene not sitting in an office in DC.

I think you have done a fine attempt at Alinskyite type hiding of what is going on but maybe you never read anything outside the Think Progress realm. Is that part of your problem?

The IPAB will be nothing more than a death panel for older people. I am sure that since they are supposed to save money basically from Medicare that many elderly people will have to go by the wayside. I am one of those who would have to go because they would have had to determine whether to allow my 6 bypass heart surgery in 2005. They couldn't have done any kind of triage in that case since my heart attack happened on Sunday and the surgery took place on Wednesday. No real planning was allowed so they couldn't have made a hurry up decision about my case and would have had to make an all encompassing decision about it. That hospital was full of much younger people than I who had the same surgery in a couple days after admission.

For instance, an about 40 year old man was wheeled into his room by his 9 year old daughter and two other children. I could tell by the shave job they did on him what he was in for and nurses bore me out. With Zeke Emanuel reasoning of course that man surely needed the procedure more than an old geezer like me, however my family wouldn't agree with that.

Remember that IPAB is primarily to be used to limit care for all on Medicare although we aren't all in the same conditions, physically.

Triage by non-medical people just isn't what is being planned in this case.

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