The Progressive Patriot

[quote=Voice of Reason][quote=TheChardo]

You remind me of Voltair's famous quote, "If God did not exist, we would have to invent him". Voltair did believe in God, but his point is that most people need to believe in something, usually some deity, greater than themselves or mankind. That is you, you choose to not believe in God, but you still need religious belief so you've substituted Gaia for God. Just as you complain about others with more traditional religious beliefs, you do this without, indeed against, logic or reason. Instead you employ pure, blind faith and reject all evidence that goes against your religion. Worse, you then try to influence public policy to impose that blind faith, or religion, on everybody else.

You speak as though you know me, know my mind . That is the height of arrogance my friend. I believe in myself, I believe in good caring, charitable people. I believe that values come from within, not an external power. Religion is an excuse to abdicate PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY (That should sound familiar-conservatives like to crow about that) and give it over to this God that you speak of. My faith as you call it is not blind. I know what I believe and it's based on my life experiences, and a deep sense of what is right and wrong, and it is based on what I know, not superstition. Yes I will impose my beliefs on others if I think that it will make for a better world, but that is not religion!It's politics.

hogorina Loc: USA

FLOURISHING DEMOCRACY AND ITS DISCONTENTS

SIR: HUNDREDS OF VETERINARIANS NATION WIDE ARE ENGAGED IN THIS ANTI-SOCIAL
MENTAL DISORDER VIA CANINES’S MUGGING, IN THEIR ARTIFICIAL PRETENSIONS THAT
A COMMON MUTT IS NATURE’S GIFT UPON THE BEHOLDER OF HOUNDS, THAT ONE’S SELF
CAN BE T***SSUBSTANUATED INTO A CANINE’S ANIMAL INSTINCT. THIS IS
MANIFESTED IN SEVERAL FAR EASTERN NATIONS, WHERE DOGS ARE ACTUALLY EATEN.
IN ESSENCE, WE OBSERVE THAT THE WAFER IN CATHOLIC COMMUNION REPRESENTS THE
BODY OF GOD WHEN TAKEN BY MOUTH. OBVIOUSLY, THE POINT IS MADE. MANKIND
PLOYS MANNERS IN TRYING TO REACH INTO THE REALMS OF SUBCONSCIOUS MINDS, IN
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS IN COMPREHENDING JUST WHAT LURKS IN THE TEMPLES
OF HOMO SAPIENS LURE INTO ANIMALISM.

NOW WE ARE LOOKING INTO THE MINDS OF HUMANOIDS, HERE WE ARE TAKEN TO THE
SO-CALLED LOVE-OF-MANIA CIRCUS, WHILE TREATING ANIMAL LIFE, IN ATTEMPTING
TO RELEASE PENT UP REPRESSIONS OF EARLIER CHILDHOOD. HIDDEN BEHIND THE WORN
MASK OF HUNDREDS OF VETERINARIANS WE DISCOVER THE SCOUNDREL THAT L**TS
CUSTOMERS ON THE PRETENSE THAT THE GOD OF THIS WORLD IS HIS SERVANT, IN NOT
REALIZING A OWN-SELF HOME MADE PARANOID SCHEMING BEHIND A SCHZOPHRENIC
PERSONALITY.

CLEARLY, AN APPETITE FOR SOME SELF-SANE PROPOSAL, IN SEEKING MASOCHISM VIA
TORTURING OTHERS, IS NOT NECESSARILY TO INDITE ONE PROFESSION. IN FACT,
THIS LINE OF HUMANOIDISTIC TORTURE FROM THE HEARTS OF READY-MADE INGRATES,
IS A WEAPON CONCEALED BY REPRESSED EROTIC IMPULSES. THROUGH SUBLIMATION,
THE MASSES ARE RELEASED OF AMORALTY THINKING. THIS LINE OF MOB CONTROL IS
FASTENED UPON UNSUSPECTING CITIZENS, OF WHOM HAVE NO OPINION AS TO
GOVERNMENTAL MIND-BENDING THROUGH DEALING WITH CONTROLLED PASSIONS.

HERE ONE MUST CONSIDER MASOCHISISM AS PRACTICED IN THE PROFESSIONS, BY WAY
OF C***TING AND SWINDLING INNOCENT PEOPLE, OF WHOM HALLOW PERSONAL PASSIONS
IN MEANINGFUL MANNERS.

AND NOW, WE BRING INTO THE PICTURE POLITICAL WHOREDOM! TOP OF THE LINE IS
THE CITY MANAGING SYSTEM, OF WHICH IS A NATIONAL NETWORK OF PROFESSIONAL
CRIMINALS. POLITICAL WHORES AND DIRTY PEOPLE IN THE PROFESSIONS ARE
SOCIALLY OUT CASTS IN ANY DECENT SOCIETY. WHEN ANY CLASS OF HOODLUMS IN
BUSINESS LAY HEAVY BURDENS UPON THE PEOPLE, THEN MASOCHISM IS THE RESULT.
WHEN A NATION MOURNS, THEN CRIMINALS IN THE PROFESSIONS GET ARTIFICIAL
HIGHS, IN RELEASING REPRESSED DESIRES WITH ROBBERY AND L**TING WITH NO
LEGAL RECALL. THEN VETS, CITY MANAGERS, SOCIAL AGENCIES AND CRIMINALS RIP
HIDES FROM THE PUBLIC. THERE IS A SAYING AMONGST THE PROFESSIONS AND
PARTICULARLY THE VET INDUSTRY, INCLUDING CITY MANAGERS AND VETRINARIANS:
NEVER GIVE A SUCKER AN EVEN BREAK, NOR A CHUMP ANOTHER CHANCE. MASOCHISM IS
TIED TO INDIVIDUAL GREED—SEXUALLY DEPRIVED INTELLECTS BEHIND A SCREEN OF
AIDING ANIMALS AND POLITICAL OPPRESSION. THIS IS WHY WE WITNESS SO MUCH
SEXUAL PERVERSION ON THE SILVER SCREEN! A NATION IN DEBT. TO PHALLUS
WORSHIPING. MASOCHISM IS PERVERTED THINKING. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU FIND
ANOTHER VET AND TO GET OUT OF PSEUDO DEMOCRACY AND PSEUDO REPUBLICANISM’S
STEADY GRIND!

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

[quote=TheChardo]

I would think the reason against the first two would be obvious, but since it's not (despite your massive intelligence) I'll tell you. Both of those, to me, are irrelevant because it doesn't help to use the word "religious" to define "religion", that's a circular definition.

Further I thought #4 was more fitting to the discussion, but if you want to use #3 my argument still works. Except for the archaic part which is absurd. Scrupulous conformity fits well, brings "consensus" to mind.

Finally, read what I wrote (that's why I quoted the entire thread). I said it is A definition, not THE definition.

Once again, you are the one being dishonest by trying to divert the argument to something irrelevant.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

I speak from what you've posted about yourself and your beliefs. You've written 209 posts, many of the long diatribes. It is not arrogance I'm displaying, just a willingness to listen.



Me too. Unfortunately, as I pointed out yesterday, you personally are not charitable, but instead you are greedy. You are accepting way more money than you need from the government. Money that could be better spent feeding starving children instead of providing unnecessary luxuries for yourself.



Believe it or not, I agree with the above. I'm an agnostic. However, I won't denigrate or ridicule those that do believe because there is no way to prove whether or not I'm correct. That is also why I don't call myself an atheist. Without proof, everything is just a belief.



Since you didn't answer the question about the scientific method I'll assume you don't understand. Here's a brief explanation:

1. Pose a question, such as during the 80's and 90's, "Why are average worldwide temperatures increasing?"
2. Propose a hypothesis, such as, "Maybe it's because CO2 levels are increasing slightly faster than natural because of all the f****l f**ls being burned"
3. Make a prediction, such as, "If CO2 levels keep increasing at their current rate, then by 2010 average temperatures will be x degrees warmer than they are now"
4. Test your prediction, such as "Was the average temperature in 2010 as warm as predicted?"
5. Analyze the data, such as "Did the data from the test match the prediction?"

That is the scientific method. To call something science it must follow that process. In fact, that process has been followed and many predictions (for which the results are available) have been made. EVERY SINGLE TEST


Yes I will impose my beliefs on others if I think that it will make for a better world, but that is not religion!It's politics.[/quote]

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

No, he was merely point out the portion of the definition that strongly applies to you and your behavior. Though I admit, I would have included the complete definition, and then pointed out the specific one I would apply to the conversation for completeness sake. Not including it does make it look like you are trying to hide something, though I do not think that was the intent in this case.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

I speak from what you've posted about yourself and your beliefs. You've written 209 posts, many of them long diatribes. It is not arrogance I'm displaying, just a willingness to listen.



Me too. Unfortunately, as I pointed out yesterday, you personally are not charitable, but instead you are greedy. You are accepting way more money than you need from the government. Money that could be better spent feeding starving children instead of providing unnecessary luxuries for yourself.



Believe it or not, I agree with the above. I'm an agnostic. However, I won't denigrate or ridicule those that do believe because there is no way to prove whether or not I'm correct. That is also why I don't call myself an atheist. Without proof, everything is just a belief.



Since you didn't answer the question about the scientific method I'll assume you don't understand. The scientific method consists of 5 steps. Here's a brief explanation:

1. Pose a question, such as during the 80's and 90's, "Why are average worldwide temperatures increasing?"
2. Propose a hypothesis, such as, "Maybe it's because CO2 levels are increasing slightly faster than natural because of all the f****l f**ls being burned"
3. Make a prediction, such as, "If CO2 levels keep increasing at their current rate, then by 2010 average temperatures will be x degrees warmer than they are now"
4. Test your prediction, such as "Was the average temperature in 2010 as warm as predicted?"
5. Analyze the data, such as "Did the data from the test match the prediction?"

That is the scientific method. To call something science it must follow that process. In fact, regarding AGW, that process has been followed and many predictions (for which the results are available) have been made. EVERY SINGLE TEST has failed to match the prediction. Not some, not even most, but all predictions about AGW have failed.

Therefore, to still believe in AGW is religion based on blind faith. It has nothing to do with science.

I'll bet the bulk of your vast knowledge of AGW comes from watching "An Inconvenient T***h". Big Al showed those plots showing temperatures and CO2 levels rising and falling in apparent tandem. What he failed to mention is the fact that when you look closer, CO2 levels begin rising 800 years after temperatures begin rising. So, to say CO2 levels cause temperatures to rise is akin to saying a black eye causes a punch to the face.



A better world for whom? Again from what you've told us it seems your primary concern is for yourself. A good way to describe your beliefs would be as follows, with you speaking, "What's mine is mine and what's yours is ours."

That's not politics, it's simple greed. Worse, it's greed masquerading as compassion, which is pretty close to evil.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Hey Chardo,

Did you notice in your tribute to Hugo Chavez thread you have a new fan? Yeah, Hogorina thinks you're a genius!! ROTFLMAO!!! That, in and of itself, should make you rethink your positions. LOL

The Progressive Patriot

Yeas, I think that this person is fucking with me. Don't get much of what it's saying

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

Here's where I have to disagree with both of you. In both your answers you display significant ignorance with respect to religion, or at least Christianity.

First of all, I cannot deny that many people have committed heinous crimes in the name of Christianity. In fact, people still do. They may even try to justify their actions through Christianity. That does not make them Christian. In fact, I submit to you that they are not. At best, they are poorly acculturated to Christianity as are the majority of people who call themselves Christian today. It is for this reason that many in the world today consider Christians to be hypocrites, and from their perspective they would be right. However, they do so, as do you, in ignorance. This is because they have no understanding what it truly means to BE Christian. You have to read the Bible to even start to understand what I'm talking about, but I'll try to connect the dots for you as best I can in this limited format.

Our Bible tells how you will know a true Christian. A true Christian tries to emulate Christ as he was on earth. All a Christian need do is follow the two commandments that Christ gave us:
Here is an adequate link explaining the two commandments: Christ's Two Great Commands. I submit to you that if you have met a person who upholds these two commandments, you have met a true Christian. It is the goal to which I aspire to achieve, yet often fail to achieve. I ask God for forgiveness, and I forgive myself and move on.

So, please understand one thing clearly. While I do not accept homosexuality (because it is a perversion and a sin against God), I still love those who suffer from the affliction. We are all sinners. In that much we are alike. I warn against homosexuality (and other issues) not because I h**e these people, but rather because I love them and wish for them to see God's love as well. All sinners need God (whether or not they believe in Him). Sin is dangerous to our spirit. So, like a parent warning their child of the dangers of crossing a road, I warn people of the dangers of sin. It keeps you separated from God. It is because of sin that we are born spiritually dead. Only through Christ can we gain a fresh living spirit. This is my motivation, that all come to see Christ and know the love that he has to offer. If I or any other "Christian" has to justify our actions, then we are not walking his path. Giving our lives over to Christ is not abdication of Personal Responsibility but AFFIRMATION of it. Without Christ, there can be no good values that come from within. That is because sin resides in all of us. Proof of this is any time you have ever failed to live up to your "inner values". Don't get me wrong, I do not intend to imply that being a sinner means you are a bad person. All I am saying is that in order to be truly good, you need to acknowledge your need of Jesus, admit you are a sinner, place your faith in Him and His sacrifice for our sins, and follow Him and walk the path he shows us in the Bible.

Normally I wouldn't go this far in a political forum, but I felt the circumstances were justified in this case. It is relevant to my political view, especially as you attack my integrity by saying that religion allows me to abdicate my personal responsibility. This couldn't be further from the t***h. My faith increases the demands on my personal responsibility.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Brain, thank you for the explanation and the link, and I do understand, because of your explanation, that you do not see your religion or God as an abdication of your personal responsibilities and I respect that.

As I stated in my response to Chardo, I do not denigrate or ridicule persons who are religious for their beliefs and I would never be so arrogant or egotistical to claim that I know for a fact that God is a myth. In fact I freely admit that I simply don't know, but I have reasons for doubts. However, I have a great deal of respect for people who are religious and actually practice their faith.

A few years back I worked closely with a man who is a devout Mormon. He doesn't smoke, drink alcohol or coffee or tea, or use profanities. When he was younger he went on a mission. The Mormons demand a great deal from their members and I couldn't live like that. I don't understand how anybody could have anything but respect for somebody who gives up so much for his faith.

Judging from the messages you've posted on this forum both to myself and others I believe you are a good, honorable man who displays respect to others while maintaining your values and principles. I don't want you to think that I'm trying to demean you in any way, but if you'd like I will explain further why I believe that my values come from within and why I question both formal religion and the existence of God. Please let me know.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

As I told Chardo, you are correct. I was not trying to hide anything and I'm certainly aware that anybody who can use this forum has the ability to look at Websters online. I saw, and still see, no point in filling pages with irrelevant information. Also, I clearly stated that it was a definition from Websters, not the definition.

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

I do not think that your intention toward me was to demean. That, however, is not true of TheChardo. This is fine. I do not need the approval or affectations of others to achieve self-actualization. I am confident enough in myself that such attacks would not leave me shaken. Thank you, however, for the gesture. I would love to discuss values with you should they be inner or spiritual. However, that would be better suited in private, and not here for obvious reasons.

danzip

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Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Actually, it is neither religion or politics. It is the lunatic ravings of a would-be tyrannical dictator.