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Jul 23, 2013 10:41:45   #
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15345511

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Jul 23, 2013 11:21:44   #
Homestead
 
It's interesting that nobody mentions the Charter they had with the King of England. As John Adams pointed out, the Charter gave the colonies the right to establish their own government, with loyalties to the King.
It was the King that violated the Charter and invalidated it.
As John Adams pointed out, what makes us subjects of the Crown, are we a conquered people? Was there a war that was fought and lost, NO! We have a Charter with the King which he has invalidated.

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Jul 23, 2013 14:28:37   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Homestead wrote:
It's interesting that nobody mentions the Charter they had with the King of England. As John Adams pointed out, the Charter gave the colonies the right to establish their own government, with loyalties to the King.
It was the King that violated the Charter and invalidated it.
As John Adams pointed out, what makes us subjects of the Crown, are we a conquered people? Was there a war that was fought and lost, NO! We have a Charter with the King which he has invalidated.


What a stupid question? Of course, it was illegal from the King's point of reference. Whereas the colonies had a different view. So they had an argument and they settled the argument. Was the succeeding of the Southern state illegal? Depends on which side your on.

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Jul 23, 2013 15:29:06   #
Homestead
 
Billhuggins wrote:
What a stupid question? Of course, it was illegal from the King's point of reference. Whereas the colonies had a different view. So they had an argument and they settled the argument. Was the succeeding of the Southern state illegal? Depends on which side your on.


Legality is only an opinion, if you refuse to deal with the facts. The Colonist were honourable men. The legality was the one issue they dealt with first. They would not move, until they were sure they were in the right.

It was John Adams that gave a speech on the Charter that they had with the King that started things in motion. John Adams wrote in his daily Journal that after the speech, as he was leaving, he heard a father as he turned to his son and say, when you grow up and your children ask, "how did the revolution start, you can tell them that it started on this day with this speech and you were here to witness it.

The Colonies had a Binding contract with the King. In this Charter the Colonies were granted certain rights given to them by the King. One of them was the right to form their own government.

The only way for the Charter to be legally altered, was by both parties agreeing to the new terms.

No modifications were offered by the King, the Charter was just ignored which the King had no legal right to do. Even a King must follow his own contracts and the rule of law.

As John Adams asked, are we a conquered people, was there a war that took our rights, by conquest? No!

By the King invalidating the Charter and refusing to make amends or address grievances, the King invalidated the Charter.
By the Kings actions, the colonies were freed from any attachment to the King. That gave them the right to self determination.

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Jul 24, 2013 10:49:57   #
hoggie san
 
The answer is no.
The "Victor" always gets to write the history books. It fills my heart with joy as I read the replies. You folks are reading your history, Good on everyone of you. I deal with so many people that do not have a clue. Two books I keep near me at all times, "The Age of Jackson" and "The United States Constution in perspective" both great reading the first a little slow or dry at times, the second I use constantly as a referance book for when something is said on TV the internet or conversations. TV news constantly misquotes or leaves parts out when dealing with US history.

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Jul 24, 2013 16:28:36   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
I would love to see several states secede from the U.S.! I would like to see how many people get "entitlements" when "Federal Taxes" aren't paid by all the producers in this country. Where would the Feds get money to throw around to foreign countries? I have heard of the Feds telling states that they must "conform" or lose "highway money" or "Federal assistance". I say don't give the Feds the taxes they crave, then we'd have money for highways, etc. and wouldn't need their assistance. We wouldn't have to be "politically correct" and kiss the Feds' ass.

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Jul 24, 2013 17:17:10   #
iowagirl
 
It will be if obummer has his way.

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Jul 24, 2013 17:40:41   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
iowagirl wrote:
It will be if obummer has his way.


If I Won gets his way the Declaration will be something that used to show up in history books but no longer does. It will go bye-bye like the Constitution.

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Jul 24, 2013 17:44:42   #
iowagirl
 
There was a lot smarter men that wrote the Constitution than we have in our government now.
I just wish that the democrats would wise up and start to protect our Constitution instead of trashing it, but I don't think that's in their jeans to do that.

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Jul 24, 2013 20:07:05   #
Comment Loc: California
 
iowagirl wrote:
There was a lot smarter men that wrote the Constitution than we have in our government now.
I just wish that the democrats would wise up and start to protect our Constitution instead of trashing it, but I don't think that's in their jeans to do that.


In their jeans? :lol: I interpret that to mean that they are suffering from RECTUMITUS (head up the as) since their heads are in their jeans. Very haha!

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Jul 25, 2013 08:27:10   #
iowagirl
 
Should have been genes. Sorry about that.

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Jul 25, 2013 10:03:41   #
AmericanPie
 
The delaration would have been illegal had the English won. They would have hanged all the men who signed it for treason and the 13 colonies would have remained British. It was in fact made legal retroactively by a treaty signed in Paris in 1793 where England recognised the new country of USA. In England the day of the signing is US independence day.

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Jul 25, 2013 12:22:06   #
Michael Nestorick Loc: Northeastern Pa.
 
The only thing illegal in the United States is Barry O'Bama.

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Jul 25, 2013 13:07:48   #
AmericanPie
 
Correction to my earlier post. The Treaty of Paris concerning US recognition was signed in 1783, and ratified by all parties in 1784.

Incidentally, what is illegal about the current President of the United States? Please don't tell me he was born in Kenya while his mother was in Hawaii, I have heard that story and I do not believe such a long-distance birth is possible

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Jul 25, 2013 16:48:38   #
iowagirl
 
Michael Nestorick wrote:
The only thing illegal in the United States is Barry O'Bama.


Are you forgetting all the i*****l i*******ts?

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