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Mar 30, 2015 18:11:32   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/30/you-know-who-else-thought-the-nsa-mass-m

[bwYou Know Who Else Thought NSA Mass Metadata Collection Was Bad? The NSA.[/b]

In an Associated Press exclusive today notes that the National Security Agency (NSA) knew full well that its mass telephone metadata collection program was actually contributing very little to the war on terror. And in fact, prior to Edward Snowden leaking the existing of this program—as well as many others—there was an internal push to end it. The effort probably wouldn’t have succeeded, the Associated Press says, but it’s definitely important information given the consistent defense of sweeping up the call metadata of millions upon millions of people (which is still going on, by the way). From the AP:****

The internal critics pointed out that the already high costs of vacuuming up and storing the "to and from" information from nearly every domestic landline call were rising, the system was not capturing most cellphone calls, and the program was not central to unraveling terrorist plots, the officials said. They worried about public outrage if the program ever was revealed.

After the program was disclosed, civil liberties advocates attacked it, saying the records could give a secret intelligence agency a road map to Americans' private activities. NSA officials presented a forceful rebuttal that helped shape public opinion.

Responding to widespread criticism, President Barack Obama in January 2014 proposed that the NSA stop collecting the records, but instead request them when needed in terrorism investigations from telephone companies, which tend to keep them for 18 months.

Yet the president has insisted that legislation is required to adopt his proposal, and Congress has not acted. So the NSA continues to collect and store records of private U.S. phone calls for use in terrorism investigations under Section 215 of the Patriot Act. Many lawmakers want the program to continue as is.


The Associated Press noted that there is a precedent for the NSA stopping mass data collection programs. They had also been mass-collecting metadata about e-mail but suspended the practice years before Snowden actually leaked the program’s existence. That program ended up being a big mess at the NSA because they could not figure out technology that collected metadata (to and from information, et cetera) about e-mail that did not also provide actual e-mail content. They could not stop collecting inappropriate information from emails, no matter how much they promised the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that they would.

Also of note, the internal NSA critics of the metadata collection point out that it hasn’t been helpful in fighting terrorism. But as we also know by now, though defenders of these metadata searches my attempt to scare us with spectres of terrorists, the NSA (along with other federal agencies) are interested in using this data in perpetuating the drug war and in matters that having nothing to do with terrorism. So even the NSA acknowledging it doesn't fight terrorism isn't enough to k**l it.


****This is the link to the full article referenced.

http://www.tricities.com/news/ap-exclusive-nsa-weighed-ending-phone-program-before-leak/article_47400b79-6197-577d-a1d9-dce6ab6a192c.html?mode=jqm

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Mar 30, 2015 19:17:46   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
AuntiE wrote:
http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/30/you-know-who-else-thought-the-nsa-mass-m

[bwYou Know Who Else Thought NSA Mass Metadata Collection Was Bad? The NSA.[/b]

In an Associated Press exclusive today notes that the National Security Agency (NSA) knew full well that its mass telephone metadata collection program was actually contributing very little to the war on terror. And in fact, prior to Edward Snowden leaking the existing of this program—as well as many others—there was an internal push to end it. The effort probably wouldn’t have succeeded, the Associated Press says, but it’s definitely important information given the consistent defense of sweeping up the call metadata of millions upon millions of people (which is still going on, by the way). From the AP:****

The internal critics pointed out that the already high costs of vacuuming up and storing the "to and from" information from nearly every domestic landline call were rising, the system was not capturing most cellphone calls, and the program was not central to unraveling terrorist plots, the officials said. They worried about public outrage if the program ever was revealed.

After the program was disclosed, civil liberties advocates attacked it, saying the records could give a secret intelligence agency a road map to Americans' private activities. NSA officials presented a forceful rebuttal that helped shape public opinion.

Responding to widespread criticism, President Barack Obama in January 2014 proposed that the NSA stop collecting the records, but instead request them when needed in terrorism investigations from telephone companies, which tend to keep them for 18 months.

Yet the president has insisted that legislation is required to adopt his proposal, and Congress has not acted. So the NSA continues to collect and store records of private U.S. phone calls for use in terrorism investigations under Section 215 of the Patriot Act. Many lawmakers want the program to continue as is.


The Associated Press noted that there is a precedent for the NSA stopping mass data collection programs. They had also been mass-collecting metadata about e-mail but suspended the practice years before Snowden actually leaked the program’s existence. That program ended up being a big mess at the NSA because they could not figure out technology that collected metadata (to and from information, et cetera) about e-mail that did not also provide actual e-mail content. They could not stop collecting inappropriate information from emails, no matter how much they promised the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that they would.

Also of note, the internal NSA critics of the metadata collection point out that it hasn’t been helpful in fighting terrorism. But as we also know by now, though defenders of these metadata searches my attempt to scare us with spectres of terrorists, the NSA (along with other federal agencies) are interested in using this data in perpetuating the drug war and in matters that having nothing to do with terrorism. So even the NSA acknowledging it doesn't fight terrorism isn't enough to k**l it.


****This is the link to the full article referenced.

http://www.tricities.com/news/ap-exclusive-nsa-weighed-ending-phone-program-before-leak/article_47400b79-6197-577d-a1d9-dce6ab6a192c.html?mode=jqm
http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/30/you-know-who-els... (show quote)


Wait a minute, Jack2014 said that this administration stopped NSA spying
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:thumbup:

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Mar 30, 2015 19:44:57   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
the waker wrote:
Wait a minute, Jack2014 said that this administration stopped NSA spying
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:thumbup:


It would seem Jack2014 may have been incorrect. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Mar 30, 2015 20:40:49   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
AuntiE wrote:
It would seem Jack2014 may have been incorrect. :shock: :shock: :shock:


Surprise,suprise :thumbup:

If not for monitoring terrorist activities, what other possible reason would this or any other administration need of our personal information w/ out a warrant, isn't that protected by a right?
4th I think ;)

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Mar 30, 2015 20:53:20   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
the waker wrote:
Surprise,suprise :thumbup:

If not for monitoring terrorist activities, what other possible reason would this or any other administration need of our personal information w/ out a warrant, isn't that protected by a right?
4th I think ;)


Fourth and fifth would be my thought.

By the way, your location shows you are in a "free speech zone". You may have free speech; however, you are NOT in a Constitutionally protected area. Due to the one hundred mile inland DHS provisions, you have little to no Constitutional rights. :shock: :shock: :evil: :evil:

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Mar 30, 2015 21:30:31   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
AuntiE wrote:
Fourth and fifth would be my thought.

By the way, your location shows you are in a "free speech zone". You may have free speech; however, you are NOT in a Constitutionally protected area. Due to the one hundred mile inland DHS provisions, you have little to no Constitutional rights. :shock: :shock: :evil: :evil:


You are correct, as i have yet to move from Ravens country, but recently our liberal friends here at OPP have wondered just what rights we as Americans have lost.
I like to leave them hints as direct responces seem to go unrecognized.
If they think they learned it on they're own, then they didn't have to admit they learned it from me ;)

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Mar 30, 2015 21:39:16   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
the waker wrote:
You are correct, as i have yet to move from Ravens country, but recently our liberal friends here at OPP have wondered just what rights we as Americans have lost.
I like to leave them hints as direct responces seem to go unrecognized.
If they think they learned it on they're own, then they didn't have to admit they learned it from me ;)


I await one of them being stopped, their technology confiscated (without a warrant or cause) because they are in a Constitutuion free zone. I will be laughing my derrière off at their outrage. I mean, really, they are progressive. How could any entity question them. :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll:

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Mar 30, 2015 22:38:39   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
AuntiE wrote:
I await one of them being stopped, their technology confiscated (without a warrant or cause) because they are in a Constitutuion free zone. I will be laughing my derrière off at their outrage. I mean, really, they are progressive. How could any entity question them. :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll:


One could only hope they are dumb enough to use the line "wait, you can't do this, I have rights you know".
:thumbup:

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Mar 31, 2015 00:24:29   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
the waker wrote:
One could only hope they are dumb enough to use the line "wait, you can't do this, I have rights you know".
:thumbup:


At which tme, they will learn the answer to the question, "What rights have we lost". I want to be there to say, "Does this answer your question numb nut?" OOOPS, sorry for that last phrase. :lol: :lol: :shock: :oops: :oops:

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