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Mar 30, 2015 06:08:20   #
Richard94611
 
I have asked a number of people in these forums, all conservatives, many of them members of the Tea Party, to explain to the rest of us what they consider to be the proper, acceptable functions of government. To a person they have all evaded the issue and refused to answer. This tends to indicate to me that they have never thought about this, listed these proper functions, and tried to match their theories with their beliefs.

Is it the proper function of the federal government to promote, sponsor and pay for a nationwide road system, as was done at the beginning of World War 2. ?

Is it a proper function of the government to pay for research and to support the National Institute of Health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to prosecute corporations that knowingly sell products that undermine the public's health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to ensure that medications sold in this country do what their manufacturers claim they do ?

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE AND OTHER ISSUES ?

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Mar 30, 2015 06:23:04   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I have asked a number of people in these forums, all conservatives, many of them members of the Tea Party, to explain to the rest of us what they consider to be the proper, acceptable functions of government. To a person they have all evaded the issue and refused to answer. This tends to indicate to me that they have never thought about this, listed these proper functions, and tried to match their theories with their beliefs.

Is it the proper function of the federal government to promote, sponsor and pay for a nationwide road system, as was done at the beginning of World War 2. ?

Is it a proper function of the government to pay for research and to support the National Institute of Health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to prosecute corporations that knowingly sell products that undermine the public's health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to ensure that medications sold in this country do what their manufacturers claim they do ?

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE AND OTHER ISSUES ?
I have asked a number of people in these forums, a... (show quote)

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The proper functions of government are to protect the life, limb, and property of the citizens and to provide the NECESSARY goods and services that private enterprise is not willing and able to provide.

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Mar 30, 2015 06:45:16   #
Richard94611
 
Which of the following issues I have brought up below do you think are proper functions of government ?


I have asked a number of people in these forums, all conservatives, many of them members of the Tea Party, to explain to the rest of us what they consider to be the proper, acceptable functions of government. To a person they have all evaded the issue and refused to answer. This tends to indicate to me that they have never thought about this, listed these proper functions, and tried to match their theories with their beliefs.

Is it the proper function of the federal government to promote, sponsor and pay for a nationwide road system, as was done at the beginning of World War 2. ?

Is it a proper function of the government to pay for research and to support the National Institute of Health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to prosecute corporations that knowingly sell products that undermine the public's health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to ensure that medications sold in this country do what their manufacturers claim they do ?

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE AND OTHER ISSUES ?

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The proper functions of government are to protect the life, limb, and property of the citizens and to provide the NECESSARY goods and services that private enterprise is not willing and able to provide.

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Mar 30, 2015 08:34:23   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I have asked a number of people in these forums, all conservatives, many of them members of the Tea Party, to explain to the rest of us what they consider to be the proper, acceptable functions of government. To a person they have all evaded the issue and refused to answer. This tends to indicate to me that they have never thought about this, listed these proper functions, and tried to match their theories with their beliefs.

Is it the proper function of the federal government to promote, sponsor and pay for a nationwide road system, as was done at the beginning of World War 2. ?

Is it a proper function of the government to pay for research and to support the National Institute of Health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to prosecute corporations that knowingly sell products that undermine the public's health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to ensure that medications sold in this country do what their manufacturers claim they do ?

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE AND OTHER ISSUES ?
I have asked a number of people in these forums, a... (show quote)


No, No, and No. The purpose of government: individual liberty, defined by rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, secured by a government instituted for that purpose with powers grounded in the consent of the governed.

Government has become way too big and intrusive. The majority of it's power should be turned back over to the states. The Depts of Energy, Education, Housing, EPA, DHS, Arts, IRS, to name a few, should be abolished.

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Mar 30, 2015 08:44:32   #
Richard94611
 
The problem with this response is that it is too general. Is part of the function of government to ensure the well-being of citizens ? If it is, what activities in this realm are acceptable. Please be specific, because, as they say, "the devil is in the details."


hprinze wrote:
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The proper functions of government are to protect the life, limb, and property of the citizens and to provide the NECESSARY goods and services that private enterprise is not willing and able to provide.

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Mar 30, 2015 08:52:26   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
Richard94611 wrote:
The problem with this response is that it is too general. Is part of the function of government to ensure the well-being of citizens ? If it is, what activities in this realm are acceptable. Please be specific, because, as they say, "the devil is in the details."


I gave you an answer, I'm not a liberal and I don't intend to waste a bunch of time discussing stupid libtard logic, like "why is there air." I gave an answer, take it or leave it. Government has become way to big, intrusive, wasteful, corrupt, etc...end of subject.

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Mar 30, 2015 09:18:33   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Richard94611 wrote:
The problem with this response is that it is too general. Is part of the function of government to ensure the well-being of citizens ? If it is, what activities in this realm are acceptable. Please be specific, because, as they say, "the devil is in the details."


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Each question should be decided independently.

Unfortunately, politicians being what they re, these questions would be decided by politicians on the basis of "What's in it for me".

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Mar 30, 2015 09:20:26   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Which of the following issues I have brought up below do you think are proper functions of government ?


I have asked a number of people in these forums, all conservatives, many of them members of the Tea Party, to explain to the rest of us what they consider to be the proper, acceptable functions of government. To a person they have all evaded the issue and refused to answer. This tends to indicate to me that they have never thought about this, listed these proper functions, and tried to match their theories with their beliefs.

Is it the proper function of the federal government to promote, sponsor and pay for a nationwide road system, as was done at the beginning of World War 2. ?

Is it a proper function of the government to pay for research and to support the National Institute of Health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to prosecute corporations that knowingly sell products that undermine the public's health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to ensure that medications sold in this country do what their manufacturers claim they do ?
Which of the following issues I have brought up be... (show quote)
The question is ambiguous. It is wide open for interpretation and opinion.

There are many forms of government, but no doubt the question refers to the government of the United States. Accordingly, none of the "functions" listed above are "proper", they are completely without any constitutional justification.

The American form of government is not subject to "theories" or individual "beliefs". The framework of our Republic is spelled out clearly in our Constitution. The Preamble is a concise synopsis of the limitations under which our form of government should function, and a study of the Federalist Papers provides an indepth understanding of what all this means.

There is a vast difference between the Constitutional framework that founded our government and the administration of it. For far too long, liberal progressivism has eroded that framework, corrupted it, challenged it, and, in effect, demolished it to the point where our federal government is now a post-constitutional Leviathan.

The government of the United States was never intended to be anything other than that which the Founders created. And, what our government has become today is precisely what the Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes, and sacred honor to avoid.

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Mar 30, 2015 09:20:29   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
JMHO wrote:
I gave you an answer, I'm not a liberal and I don't intend to waste a bunch of time discussing stupid libtard logic, like "why is there air." I gave an answer, take it or leave it. Government has become way to big, intrusive, wasteful, corrupt, etc...end of subject.


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This response, as well as your first one, is excellent.

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Mar 30, 2015 09:22:50   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The question is ambiguous. It is wide open for interpretation and opinion.

There are many forms of government, but no doubt the question refers to the government of the United States. Accordingly, none of the "functions" listed above are "proper", they are completely without any constitutional justification.

The American form of government is not subject to "theories" or individual "beliefs". The framework of our Republic is spelled out clearly in our Constitution. The Preamble is a concise synopsis of the limitations under which our form of government should function, and a study of the Federalist Papers provides an indepth understanding of what all this means.

There is a vast difference between the Constitutional framework that founded our government and the administration of it. For far too long, liberal progressivism has eroded that framework, corrupted it, challenged it, and, in effect, demolished it to the point where our federal government is now a post-constitutional Leviathan.

The government of the United States was never intended to be anything other than that which the Founders created. And, what our government has become today is precisely what the Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes, and sacred honor to avoid.
The question is ambiguous. It is wide open for int... (show quote)


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Mar 30, 2015 09:41:49   #
robert66
 
JMHO wrote:
I gave you an answer, I'm not a liberal and I don't intend to waste a bunch of time discussing stupid libtard logic, like "why is there air." I gave an answer, take it or leave it. Government has become way to big, intrusive, wasteful, corrupt, etc...end of subject.


Like a broken record you just keep repeating that which solves nothing. Of course it's the end of subject.......for you , because you have no useful ideas. What the poster asks is if the things mentioned are what the government should be doing . I would say yes to all of these things because it would be senseless to argue that they are not beneficial to society. Somehow tea party logic goes against the idea of acting as a group and deciding what is or isn't good for the benefit of all. If the knot heads really got what they say they want , they would be sorry. The ideas mentioned have proven to be effective and beneficIal. I hear all this banter about how the US is the greatest nation by all the self described patriots. These social programs are the things that have made the US exceptional.

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Mar 30, 2015 09:52:53   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I have asked a number of people in these forums, all conservatives, many of them members of the Tea Party, to explain to the rest of us what they consider to be the proper, acceptable functions of government. To a person they have all evaded the issue and refused to answer. This tends to indicate to me that they have never thought about this, listed these proper functions, and tried to match their theories with their beliefs.

Is it the proper function of the federal government to promote, sponsor and pay for a nationwide road system, as was done at the beginning of World War 2. ?

Is it a proper function of the government to pay for research and to support the National Institute of Health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to prosecute corporations that knowingly sell products that undermine the public's health ?

Is it the proper function of the government to ensure that medications sold in this country do what their manufacturers claim they do ?

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE AND OTHER ISSUES ?
I have asked a number of people in these forums, a... (show quote)


All those things are functions of a Federal Government. There are others as well, such as international representation, dealing with other sovereign nations, defending our borders and national interests and related functions.

It is clear from the initial builders, that States were to hold all the power, as wielded by the representatives of each State, who were to be answerable to that States political leadership and thus, to it's people. Somewhere along the way ( it happened a little at a time over years ), everybody forgot that and the "representatives" began gathering the reins of power ( and autonomy ) for themselves. Having to share the power with other such "representatives", lead them all to seek an increase in the power and influence of the Federal Government. The method of "hijacking" the rights of the States, was buying those rights with the use of Federal dollars, allowing them to invoke more taxes and dictate to the States the use of those dollars.

Essentially, the Federal Government was to do those things the States could not do on their own. International treaties, trade agreements, maintain a national army, interstate commerce laws and anything else that impacted more than one State. The Federal tax on commerce WITHIN a State are illegal - except - the States abrogated their rights in that regard, by giving the Federal Government that ability, in return for some of the proceeds. That lead to, for instance, a Federal fuel tax AS WELL AS a State tax on the same fuel - for the same purpose. Double taxing is illegal, yet it is happening on 100's of items - and the States allow it as long as they get their cut.

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Mar 30, 2015 10:03:09   #
robert66
 
lpnmajor wrote:
All those things are functions of a Federal Government. There are others as well, such as international representation, dealing with other sovereign nations, defending our borders and national interests and related functions.

It is clear from the initial builders, that States were to hold all the power, as wielded by the representatives of each State, who were to be answerable to that States political leadership and thus, to it's people. Somewhere along the way ( it happened a little at a time over years ), everybody forgot that and the "representatives" began gathering the reins of power ( and autonomy ) for themselves. Having to share the power with other such "representatives", lead them all to seek an increase in the power and influence of the Federal Government. The method of "hijacking" the rights of the States, was buying those rights with the use of Federal dollars, allowing them to invoke more taxes and dictate to the States the use of those dollars.

Essentially, the Federal Government was to do those things the States could not do on their own. International treaties, trade agreements, maintain a national army, interstate commerce laws and anything else that impacted more than one State. The Federal tax on commerce WITHIN a State are illegal - except - the States abrogated their rights in that regard, by giving the Federal Government that ability, in return for some of the proceeds. That lead to, for instance, a Federal fuel tax AS WELL AS a State tax on the same fuel - for the same purpose. Double taxing is illegal, yet it is happening on 100's of items - and the States allow it as long as they get their cut.
All those things are functions of a Federal Govern... (show quote)


Whether it is illegal or not is less important than determining if it is effective for the greater good of all.

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Mar 30, 2015 10:10:43   #
GrampaG
 
robert66 wrote:
Like a broken record you just keep repeating that which solves nothing. Of course it's the end of subject.......for you , because you have no useful ideas. What the poster asks is if the things mentioned are what the government should be doing . I would say yes to all of these things because it would be senseless to argue that they are not beneficial to society. Somehow tea party logic goes against the idea of acting as a group and deciding what is or isn't good for the benefit of all. If the knot heads really got what they say they want , they would be sorry. The ideas mentioned have proven to be effective and beneficIal. I hear all this banter about how the US is the greatest nation by all the self described patriots. These social programs are the things that have made the US exceptional.
Like a broken record you just keep repeating that ... (show quote)


Catch phrases like "acting as a group" and "the benefit of all" or "society" obviously identifies you as a liberal progressive. You are, in your mind, content to be living in what has been described by some as the "post Constitutional Period" of our country, content to question the patriotism of those who still believe in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. For your edification, Eisenhower initiated the interstate construction period when he became president, after WW-II, not before or during. As for other "social" programs such as social security, welfare, and foodstamps, these programs have not made our nation exceptional by any stretch of the imagination. All they've managed to do is to increase the number of people dependent upon those programs, now reaching about 45 million people. Another poster pointed out that none of your feel good, guilt relieving "social programs" are covered by the Constitution; functions such as these, not being given to the feds, are by definition reserved to the states. Do you know that prior to Woodrow Wilson, the country's first progressive, that there was no income tax yet the nation was still able to build a navy, field an army, construct roads and rails, bridges, and all the other infrastructure needed by our young nation? Wilson figured out that if he sold his scheme of stealing money from "the rich" he could implement all his feel good socialist policies. Little good it did us, since our economy completely crashed in 1929, largely because of his earlier policies. None of the things you listed should be undertaken by the federal government; none! We have a constitution not to protect the federal government from the people, but to protect the people from the federal government. We've seen just how important that is since BHObama was elected, he a person of acknowledged hatred for the limitations the constitution places on him. He has repeatedly demonstrated that in spite of these limitations, he is willing to exceed the powers of his office, unlawfully legislating from the White House, and vastly expand the reach and power of the executive branch and the federal leviathan. Anything we Patriots can do to reverse this trend, this attack on our liberties and freedoms, will be done, my friend. You can count on it.

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Mar 30, 2015 10:18:55   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
robert66 wrote:
Whether it is illegal or not is less important than determining if it is effective for the greater good of all.


Really? The purpose of those original laws, were to ENSURE that the "public good" was protected. Each State was to protect it's citizens and their rights, thus ensuring that ALL peoples rights were protected. By abrogating that to the Federal Government, allowed the federal Government to assign higher priorities to the rights of one States people over another States, or even a district. How else could one State be "forgiven" a particular tax, that other States must pay? Or giving one State more money than another State, even though both States pay the same amount in Federal taxes?

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