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Mar 22, 2015 07:19:31   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Today in history, 1765, the British Parliment passed the Stamp Act, in an effort to rec**p some of the monies they had spent in wresting Canada from the French in the so-called "French and Indian Wars."
In other news, on this day in 1817, Braxton Bragg, one of the Union's most effective generals during the War of Northern Aggression, squalled his first. This squalling would continue for the next 59 years until the Reaper took pity on the world.

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Mar 22, 2015 08:28:57   #
Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas
 
Loki wrote:
Today in history, 1765, the British Parliment passed the Stamp Act, in an effort to rec**p some of the monies they had spent in wresting Canada from the French in the so-called "French and Indian Wars."
In other news, on this day in 1817, Braxton Bragg, one of the Union's most effective generals during the War of Northern Aggression, squalled his first. This squalling would continue for the next 59 years until the Reaper took pity on the world.


"Braxton Bragg, one of the Union's most effective generals during the War of Northern Aggression..."

One can only surmise that tidbit was tongue-in-cheek.

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Mar 22, 2015 09:29:01   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Bruce Kennedy wrote:
"Braxton Bragg, one of the Union's most effective generals during the War of Northern Aggression..."

One can only surmise that tidbit was tongue-in-cheek.


His main claim to fame is that with the exception of Chickamauga, he lost every battle in which he commanded troops. He was, however, bosom buddies with Confederate President Jefferson Davis, another noted Union strategist, which explains his longevity in a job at which he sucked.
Chickamauga was considered a Confederate victory, albeit Pyrrhic, not because of Bragg, but in spite of his heroic efforts to lose. He manfully attempted to make up for Longstreet's success by throwing numerous hopeless assaults against a very strong Union position, but alas, in spite of all his efforts, the Union Army left Bragg's Army in possession of the battlefield, along with 50% higher casualties than the Union Forces, most of them due to his "forlorn hope" assaults on the Union position.
Bragg was an incompetent martinet, who was never bashful about tooting his own horn. Small wonder his name is derived from boastful.

His incompetence, and Davis' refusal to relieve him of command, (perfectly in keeping with Davis' own propensity to try and micromanage a situation several hundred miles away in an era of slow and uncertain communications ), were truly bright spots for the Union, who, for some time, had been convinced they were the only ones capable of putting morons in command.

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Mar 22, 2015 09:45:49   #
amvaap
 
I think Braxton Bragg was actually a General in the Confederate Army and a rather cruel and ineffective one as well.
Loki wrote:
Today in history, 1765, the British Parliment passed the Stamp Act, in an effort to rec**p some of the monies they had spent in wresting Canada from the French in the so-called "French and Indian Wars."
In other news, on this day in 1817, Braxton Bragg, one of the Union's most effective generals during the War of Northern Aggression, squalled his first. This squalling would continue for the next 59 years until the Reaper took pity on the world.

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Mar 22, 2015 10:07:14   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
amvaap wrote:
I think Braxton Bragg was actually a General in the Confederate Army and a rather cruel and ineffective one as well.


Ever hear of satire?

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Mar 22, 2015 10:08:43   #
Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas
 
Loki wrote:
His main claim to fame is that with the exception of Chickamauga, he lost every battle in which he commanded troops. He was, however, bosom buddies with Confederate President Jefferson Davis, another noted Union strategist, which explains his longevity in a job at which he sucked.
Chickamauga was considered a Confederate victory, albeit Pyrrhic, not because of Bragg, but in spite of his heroic efforts to lose. He manfully attempted to make up for Longstreet's success by throwing numerous hopeless assaults against a very strong Union position, but alas, in spite of all his efforts, the Union Army left Bragg's Army in possession of the battlefield, along with 50% higher casualties than the Union Forces, most of them due to his "forlorn hope" assaults on the Union position.
Bragg was an incompetent martinet, who was never bashful about tooting his own horn. Small wonder his name is derived from boastful.

His incompetence, and Davis' refusal to relieve him of command, (perfectly in keeping with Davis' own propensity to try and micromanage a situation several hundred miles away in an era of slow and uncertain communications ), were truly bright spots for the Union, who, for some time, had been convinced they were the only ones capable of putting morons in command.
His main claim to fame is that with the exception ... (show quote)


Yet, and I am guessing, they named an Army base, in his honor, in the state he was born. Sounds like the North considered Braxton as one of their own. :-)

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Mar 22, 2015 13:48:36   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Bruce Kennedy wrote:
Yet, and I am guessing, they named an Army base, in his honor, in the state he was born. Sounds like the North considered Braxton as one of their own. :-)


Knowledgeable North Carolinians do not claim him. I was born there, although my family moved when I was quite young.
Ft. Bragg, originally Camp Bragg, was named by Major General William Snowe, a native of Brooklyn, NY. Why am I not surprised?
General Snowe picked the area because it offered terrain suitable for training artillery units on how to operate under extremely difficult conditions, (much as the officers and men unfortunate enough to serve in Bragg's command had to do ).

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Mar 22, 2015 14:32:45   #
Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas
 
Loki wrote:
Knowledgeable North Carolinians do not claim him. I was born there, although my family moved when I was quite young.
Ft. Bragg, originally Camp Bragg, was named by Major General William Snowe, a native of Brooklyn, NY. Why am I not surprised?
General Snowe picked the area because it offered terrain suitable for training artillery units on how to operate under extremely difficult conditions, (much as the officers and men unfortunate enough to serve in Bragg's command had to do ).


Artillery, now you're talking my language. A little off topic, but my Artillery training took place at Camp Pendleton. Now all military Artillery training is conducted at Ft. Sill, Oklahoma.

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Mar 22, 2015 14:37:14   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Bruce Kennedy wrote:
Artillery, now you're talking my language. A little off topic, but my Artillery training took place at Camp Pendleton. Now all military Artillery training is conducted at Ft. Sill, Oklahoma.


In 1918, it was at Camp Bragg, NC. It did not become Ft Bragg until 1920 something. My grandson is a graduate of Ft. Sill. Moi? Ft McClellan.

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Mar 22, 2015 14:58:26   #
amvaap
 
Satire, when artfully done it is indeed meaningful. I guess artful satire just isn't your strong suit.
Loki wrote:
Ever hear of satire?

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Mar 22, 2015 15:06:44   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
amvaap wrote:
Satire, when artfully done it is indeed meaningful. I guess artful satire just isn't your strong suit.


Since you seem to be the only one who had difficulty recognizing it for what it was, it would appear the problem is not mine. Bragg was, indeed, a Confederate General, although the officers and men who served under him might have disagreed.

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Mar 22, 2015 19:01:33   #
amvaap
 
You apparently assume that just because someone else hasn't commented on your post that they all "got it" when in fact, 90% of Americans probably think Braxton Bragg is an ice cream flavor and that the Civil War is just a music group.
Loki wrote:
Since you seem to be the only one who had difficulty recognizing it for what it was, it would appear the problem is not mine. Bragg was, indeed, a Confederate General, although the officers and men who served under him might have disagreed.

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Mar 22, 2015 19:22:57   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
amvaap wrote:
You apparently assume that just because someone else hasn't commented on your post that they all "got it" when in fact, 90% of Americans probably think Braxton Bragg is an ice cream flavor and that the Civil War is just a music group.


I have had more than one comment on the post, just not publicly. By the way, I "assumed" nothing. The assumption was on your part. I meant no offense with my comment about satire, but some people are just determined to be offended, no matter what.

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Mar 23, 2015 08:40:57   #
amvaap
 
Then neither of us then meant any offense to the other. You will note that any offense from me was aimed at the American public, who in my opinion, need everything spelled out in crayon on wide lined paper..
Loki wrote:
I have had more than one comment on the post, just not publicly. By the way, I "assumed" nothing. The assumption was on your part. I meant no offense with my comment about satire, but some people are just determined to be offended, no matter what.

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