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Substituted Morality
Feb 28, 2015 20:58:40   #
Lily
 
http://townhall.com/columnists/erickerickson/2015/02/13/substituted-morality-n1956724/page/full

Substituted Morality

The United States Supreme Court will, by June, plunge the nation back into the throws of culture war. At least five justices will substitute their values for those of democracy, further undermining the democratic underpinnings of our republic.

By June, the nation's top court will find that gay marriage is in the constitution. They will, more likely than not, go all the way instead of deciding the states can decide for themselves. In 1973, the Supreme Court again substituted the morality of five members of the court for the nation and legalized a******n. At the time, liberal publications assumed the issue would be settled, but it is a fight the nation is still having. Gay marriage will be no different.

Currently, as gay marriage becomes more common, popular acceptance of it has declined. Given that the data shows less than seven percent of the nation is gay, the numbers will never be large enough for popular acceptance based on familiarity. Likewise, as people feel gay marriage has been imposed by fiat rather than democratic means, resentment will grow.

Only a plurality of Americans support gay marriage and, in many states where the trend lines border on 50 percent support, the proposition has been rejected by those who v**e in democratic society. So with less than 50 percent acceptance, the nation will be forced to support gay marriage. This is where things will go terribly wrong. More than 50 percent of Americans actually do support religious exceptions for those who object to gay marriage. But gay rights activists and, increasingly, courts refuse to allow people of conscience to decline to provide goods and services to gay marriage.

Contrary to the talking point that gay rights is akin to the struggle for civil rights, anyone who stands in a crowd can pick out the black person, the Asian person, the Hispanic person, the white person, the male and the female. That is not so with gay and straight unless someone of immodest behavior goes out of his or her way to show it. Likewise, no gay person has been held in captivity and forced to be a s***e, seen a national civil war to liberate gays, and then systematically been denied his right to participate in democratic society. Equating gay rights with civil rights may sound good, but the two are not comparable.

What is most tragic is that gay rights activists now want to deny people of faith their right to free association. No mainstream Christian believes a Christian should be able to not provide goods and services to a gay person anymore than to a black person. But people of faith should be able to deny goods and services to a gay wedding, which they see as ordained by God and not the state. Gay rights activists refuse, however, to concede the point.

In Oregon, Aaron and Melissa Klein and their five children are losing their home due to bankruptcy. Their business, Sweet Cakes by Melissa, is going under. Black, white, Asian, male, female, gay and straight couples have all bought cakes from Mr. and Mrs. Klein over the years. This past year, the Kleins were asked to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple. They declined because they are Christians. Despite having gays and lesbians support the bakery, Oregon has ordered the Kleins to pay the lesbian couple $150,000.00 for discriminating against them. The Kleins do not have the money and are filing bankruptcy.

This is just the latest case. In New Mexico, Colorado, Washington, New York and other states, gay bakers, florists and photographers can decline to provide goods and services for the weddings of people of faith, but people of faith may not do the same. A society where a minority can impose their values outside democratic processes will not stay democratic. When five justices of the Supreme Court impose their values on a nation not yet ready, things do not go smoothly for anybody.

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Feb 28, 2015 21:50:58   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Lily wrote:
http://townhall.com/columnists/erickerickson/2015/02/13/substituted-morality-n1956724/page/full

Substituted Morality

The United States Supreme Court will, by June, plunge the nation back into the throws of culture war. At least five justices will substitute their values for those of democracy, further undermining the democratic underpinnings of our republic.

By June, the nation's top court will find that gay marriage is in the constitution. They will, more likely than not, go all the way instead of deciding the states can decide for themselves. In 1973, the Supreme Court again substituted the morality of five members of the court for the nation and legalized a******n. At the time, liberal publications assumed the issue would be settled, but it is a fight the nation is still having. Gay marriage will be no different.

Currently, as gay marriage becomes more common, popular acceptance of it has declined. Given that the data shows less than seven percent of the nation is gay, the numbers will never be large enough for popular acceptance based on familiarity. Likewise, as people feel gay marriage has been imposed by fiat rather than democratic means, resentment will grow.

Only a plurality of Americans support gay marriage and, in many states where the trend lines border on 50 percent support, the proposition has been rejected by those who v**e in democratic society. So with less than 50 percent acceptance, the nation will be forced to support gay marriage. This is where things will go terribly wrong. More than 50 percent of Americans actually do support religious exceptions for those who object to gay marriage. But gay rights activists and, increasingly, courts refuse to allow people of conscience to decline to provide goods and services to gay marriage.

Contrary to the talking point that gay rights is akin to the struggle for civil rights, anyone who stands in a crowd can pick out the black person, the Asian person, the Hispanic person, the white person, the male and the female. That is not so with gay and straight unless someone of immodest behavior goes out of his or her way to show it. Likewise, no gay person has been held in captivity and forced to be a s***e, seen a national civil war to liberate gays, and then systematically been denied his right to participate in democratic society. Equating gay rights with civil rights may sound good, but the two are not comparable.

What is most tragic is that gay rights activists now want to deny people of faith their right to free association. No mainstream Christian believes a Christian should be able to not provide goods and services to a gay person anymore than to a black person. But people of faith should be able to deny goods and services to a gay wedding, which they see as ordained by God and not the state. Gay rights activists refuse, however, to concede the point.

In Oregon, Aaron and Melissa Klein and their five children are losing their home due to bankruptcy. Their business, Sweet Cakes by Melissa, is going under. Black, white, Asian, male, female, gay and straight couples have all bought cakes from Mr. and Mrs. Klein over the years. This past year, the Kleins were asked to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple. They declined because they are Christians. Despite having gays and lesbians support the bakery, Oregon has ordered the Kleins to pay the lesbian couple $150,000.00 for discriminating against them. The Kleins do not have the money and are filing bankruptcy.

This is just the latest case. In New Mexico, Colorado, Washington, New York and other states, gay bakers, florists and photographers can decline to provide goods and services for the weddings of people of faith, but people of faith may not do the same. A society where a minority can impose their values outside democratic processes will not stay democratic. When five justices of the Supreme Court impose their values on a nation not yet ready, things do not go smoothly for anybody.
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Great post. To clarify two points. Homosexuality is not a state of being - it is a behavior, and therefore not a rights issue at all. someone can be same sex attracted and never act on it just as someone can be opposite sex attracted but celibate. for that matter some one could be attracted to children and never act on that either, and therefore not committing an illegal or immoral act.
The most accurate statistics for homosexual attraction is about 1.7% of the male population is same sex attracted only, female population about .8% same sex attracted only, less than one half of one percent are bisexual, and a larger number go through a stage as young teens of being same sex attracted but that lasts less than one year, and may not include any actual sexual activity. Interestingly enough a goal of much of the L***Q movement is to lower the age of consent so it is legal for adults to have sex with children in the 12 to 15 year old category where the child is uncertain about his desires. To the extent that the brain makes nerve connections each time an activity is done, multiple same sex activities do help to condition children to be same sex attracted. There is no gay gene and any genetic response is not likely to make up more than 10%, if that, of the person's ultimate sexual attraction. Just a few things to think about.

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Mar 1, 2015 11:12:29   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Great post. To clarify two points. Homosexuality is not a state of being - it is a behavior, and therefore not a rights issue at all. someone can be same sex attracted and never act on it just as someone can be opposite sex attracted but celibate. for that matter some one could be attracted to children and never act on that either, and therefore not committing an illegal or immoral act.
The most accurate statistics for homosexual attraction is about 1.7% of the male population is same sex attracted only, female population about .8% same sex attracted only, less than one half of one percent are bisexual, and a larger number go through a stage as young teens of being same sex attracted but that lasts less than one year, and may not include any actual sexual activity. Interestingly enough a goal of much of the L***Q movement is to lower the age of consent so it is legal for adults to have sex with children in the 12 to 15 year old category where the child is uncertain about his desires. To the extent that the brain makes nerve connections each time an activity is done, multiple same sex activities do help to condition children to be same sex attracted. There is no gay gene and any genetic response is not likely to make up more than 10%, if that, of the person's ultimate sexual attraction. Just a few things to think about.
Great post. To clarify two points. Homosexuality... (show quote)


NPP - I'm wondering where you get your statistics regarding:

"..a goal of much of the L***Q movement is to lower the age of consent so it is legal for adults to have sex with children in the 12 to 15 year old category..."

I've been an open and very active member of the L***Q community for over 40 years in the deep south, Texas and now California, and I've never once heard anyone among my white-collar professional peers make any statement even close to what you indicate "much of the L***Q movement" proposes. I think you are extrapolating a position held by a very radical fringe group. I believe it is a position not at all commonly held in the L***Q community.

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Mar 1, 2015 11:13:42   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Lily - I think it rather ironic that your avatar is of swans forming a loving heart. Swans are one of the species most commonly known to form exclusive, life-long same-sex bonds.

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