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Jul 6, 2013 16:26:01   #
OPP Newsletter
 
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/scorn-on-the-fourth-of-july/

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Jul 6, 2013 21:30:36   #
CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas
 
OPP Newsletter wrote:
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/scorn-on-the-fourth-of-july/


Quid Pro Quo, OPP Newsletter: Says the article, in part, thus:

"The Fourth of July is over, and despite most of America taking great joy in celebrating our independence and freedom, many members of the American Left are glad that what they consider to be an unseemly spasm of over-hyped jingoism is finally over. For these oh-so-enlightened and morally superior souls, a r****t and irredeemably imperialist America is something to be mourned, not celebrated. Independence Day is thus a time for commemorating their hatred of the country and waving it for all to see." :mrgreen: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: Hey socialist Marxist c*******t left: If you h**e the country, do us all a favor, and leave it for your perceived Utopias.

American Left up-side-down American Flag
American Left up-side-down American Flag...

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Jul 7, 2013 13:43:21   #
USpatriot77 Loc: USA
 
CrazyHorse wrote:
Quid Pro Quo, OPP Newsletter: Says the article, in part, thus:

"The Fourth of July is over, and despite most of America taking great joy in celebrating our independence and freedom, many members of the American Left are glad that what they consider to be an unseemly spasm of over-hyped jingoism is finally over. For these oh-so-enlightened and morally superior souls, a r****t and irredeemably imperialist America is something to be mourned, not celebrated. Independence Day is thus a time for commemorating their hatred of the country and waving it for all to see." :mrgreen: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: Hey socialist Marxist c*******t left: If you h**e the country, do us all a favor, and leave it for your perceived Utopias.
Quid Pro Quo, OPP Newsletter: Says the article, i... (show quote)

If you can't respect the values ,f**g, ideals or the proud veterans of this great country that have fought, died and bled to uphold those freedoms that proud, patriotic Americans hold so dear, do us all a favor "get the hell out and go live in China or Russia!"

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Jul 7, 2013 13:48:41   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
To CrazyHorse and US patriot, you fail to understand.

They have no wish to endure the inconvenience of moving. They have no wish to endure the inconvenience of total lack of freedom. They wish to create their own policies.

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Jul 7, 2013 13:56:19   #
CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas
 
AuntiE wrote:
To CrazyHorse and US patriot, you fail to understand.

They have no wish to endure the inconvenience of moving. They have no wish to endure the inconvenience of total lack of freedom. They wish to create their own policies.


Quid Pro Quo, AuntiE: Yow, but they want their brain dead policies to apply to everyone else, and to require everyone else to live as they do. And that includes all these Obstructionist and Jersey d**g q***n bundles of sticks.

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Jul 7, 2013 16:20:25   #
rumitoid
 
Patriotism, defined: "love of country and zeal for its interests."

There are a good number of Christians that are apatriotic and among the best people a country could have. According to scripture, a follower of Christ is a "citizen of heaven," and meant to be a "foreigner," "alien," and "stranger" in all lands that they dwell. To do otherwise is to be at enmity with God. But scripture also instructs that they are to submit to the "governing authorities"; this is done out of "love of neighbor." For the Christian, there are no borders to who is considered a neighbor.

Patriotism is an automatic bias for a country, which can as easily lead to honorable heroics and sacrifice as to ignoble abuses and oppression. Is such a bias necessary to be a good or even great citizen? Any bias tends to blind, as does prejudice.

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Jul 7, 2013 17:49:16   #
CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas
 
rumitoid wrote:
Patriotism, defined: "love of country and zeal for its interests."

There are a good number of Christians that are apatriotic and among the best people a country could have. According to scripture, a follower of Christ is a "citizen of heaven," and meant to be a "foreigner," "alien," and "stranger" in all lands that they dwell. To do otherwise is to be at enmity with God. But scripture also instructs that they are to submit to the "governing authorities"; this is done out of "love of neighbor." For the Christian, there are no borders to who is considered a neighbor.

Patriotism is an automatic bias for a country, which can as easily lead to honorable heroics and sacrifice as to ignoble abuses and oppression. Is such a bias necessary to be a good or even great citizen? Any bias tends to blind, as does prejudice.
Patriotism, defined: "love of country and zea... (show quote)


Quid Pro Quo, rumitoady: "Patriotism is an automatic bias for a country...", for which OIllegal exhibits not. "But scripture also instructs that they are to submit to the "governing authorities"
"Render unto God that which belongs to God; render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar."

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Jul 7, 2013 17:50:26   #
USpatriot77 Loc: USA
 
Then the "Founding fathers" of this great nation were all blind and being led as a lamb to the slaughter. If what you say is correct, then the founding fathers of America were not only going against the principles of the Bible, but GOD also. And if what you say is correct, this country's founding principle of "Freedom of Religion", goes against the Bible's teachings as well. Being led by a secular principle, say as a political party(Socialism), or Democratic, this isn't going against the teachings of the Bible? just some food for thought!
rumitoid wrote:
Patriotism, defined: "love of country and zeal for its interests."

There are a good number of Christians that are apatriotic and among the best people a country could have. According to scripture, a follower of Christ is a "citizen of heaven," and meant to be a "foreigner," "alien," and "stranger" in all lands that they dwell. To do otherwise is to be at enmity with God. But scripture also instructs that they are to submit to the "governing authorities"; this is done out of "love of neighbor." For the Christian, there are no borders to who is considered a neighbor.

Patriotism is an automatic bias for a country, which can as easily lead to honorable heroics and sacrifice as to ignoble abuses and oppression. Is such a bias necessary to be a good or even great citizen? Any bias tends to blind, as does prejudice.
Patriotism, defined: "love of country and zea... (show quote)

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Jul 7, 2013 17:55:49   #
USpatriot77 Loc: USA
 
God also said that "we are to follow the laws of the land, unless they run contrary to GOD's law". So where does that put the "Christian American's"? Are they to be considered T*****r's or malcontents?
CrazyHorse wrote:
Quid Pro Quo, rumitoady: "Patriotism is an automatic bias for a country...", for which OIllegal exhibits not. "But scripture also instructs that they are to submit to the "governing authorities"
"Render unto God that which belongs to God, and render unto Ceaser that which belongs to Ceaser."

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Jul 7, 2013 18:02:33   #
CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas
 
USpatriot77 wrote:
God also said that "we are to follow the laws of the land, unless they run contrary to GOD's law". So where does that put the "Christian American's"? Are they to be considered T*****r's or malcontents?


Quid Pro Quo, USpatriot77: You caught the quote prior to catching the spelling. "Render unto God that which belongs to God; render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar."


As to your question: Not hardly!

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Jul 7, 2013 18:14:23   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
CrazyHorse wrote:
Quid Pro Quo, USpatriot77: You caught the quote prior to catching the spelling. "Render unto God that which belongs to God; render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar."


As to your question: Not hardly!


:roll: :roll: It is Sunday and you dare commit such a sin. You know it is unacceptable to discuss the Bible or God. What overtook you? :?: Most of all DO NOT let rumitoid find you.

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Jul 7, 2013 18:18:47   #
CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas
 
AuntiE wrote:
:roll: :roll: It is Sunday and you dare commit such a sin. You know it is unacceptable to discuss the Bible or God. What overtook you? :?:


Quid Pro Quo, AuntiE: I had already said my Sunday prayers. ;) Like your new avatar, looks life old CrazyHorse could go catch a fish. Or, since it's Sunday, maybe it's Jesus, Paul, & Peter feeding the flock.

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Jul 7, 2013 19:47:43   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
CrazyHorse wrote:
Quid Pro Quo, AuntiE: I had already said my Sunday prayers. ;) Like your new avatar, looks life old CrazyHorse could go catch a fish. Or, since it's Sunday, maybe it's Jesus, Paul, & Peter feeding the flock.


Hawaii. I actually have an iris picture I started to use for you, but felt summer using a water avatar was more in tune with the season. Another reason being the San Francisco plane accident, having flown exactly over that sea wall from HI. into SF Airport.

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Jul 7, 2013 20:39:46   #
rumitoid
 
I came back from overseas three months early on emergency leave; my mother was having an operation for cancer. At the airport when I arrived, this hippie couple came up to me, called me a "baby-k**ler" and some other choice words, and then the man spit in my face. The men in blue were already close to my position and they grabbed the couple, apologizing for my mistreatment and thanking me for my service. Perhaps it was because I was pre-occupied with worry over my mom but I said, "Let 'em go. America stands for freedom of speech." These two hardened NYC police officers did not like that very much, especially when the guy said, "Yeah, pigs, let us go. We got our rights."

When the thirty days was up, I was stationed at Fort Totten but this incredible First Sergeant let me stay at home on one condition: I call him every Friday and let him know how things were. This action remains a great mystery in my life and I still regret that I never asked why. But these kind of things have happened to me throughout my life. Grace, perhaps.

I got involved with a Quaker Church down on Twenty-First, I think it was. A lot of demonstrations were going on in New York at that time, '68, and the Quakers were training Marshalls to help maintain non-violence; I took the training...and gradually got converted to pacifism. Most of the time I got the same expressions of h**e as the "long hairs," who dished it with equal exuberance. I was really neutral. I didn't feel that I was on any side.

My point: my patroitism during that period was frequently questioned (we wore yellow armbands and that drew a lot of catcalls of "coward) and of course all these demonstrators were c****e agitators and anti-American, not true Americans with real grievances. I wonder how the pre-revolutionary colonists were looked upon by the establisment? The "Love it or leave it" philosophy is understandable but it is also a gateway to f*****m. Generalization is the worst form of prejudice. To take it that every liberal or progressive, or just Democrats, are socialists or c****es is part of the blind eye of patriotism. Such thinking is more dangerous to this country than terrorism, for it corrodes from within the fiber of American ideals.

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Jul 7, 2013 21:09:36   #
USpatriot77 Loc: USA
 
I appreciate your point of view, but I too have served and had the "sjap in the face" from the other sides "free speech" advocates. my 221/2 years of military service, the blood shed for "other country's" thankless masses has given me a rare insight as to how American's are seen in the eyes of most of the rest of the world. We(American's) try to help the 3rd world country's into the 21st century and they piss all over us. America needs to first and foremost think of its own people first, then and only when invited help other country's of the world. if that means closing our borders, so be it! The time to, " bring us your hungry, your poor, your huddled masses", has long since ended. All the billions of dollars of foreign aid being given away to "thankless hordes" should stop and our own poor should be taken care of. America is NOT the world's Policeman.
rumitoid wrote:
I came back from overseas three months early on emergency leave; my mother was having an operation for cancer. At the airport when I arrived, this hippie couple came up to me, called me a "baby-k**ler" and some other choice words, and then the man spit in my face. The men in blue were already close to my position and they grabbed the couple, apologizing for my mistreatment and thanking me for my service. Perhaps it was because I was pre-occupied with worry over my mom but I said, "Let 'em go. America stands for freedom of speech." These two hardened NYC police officers did not like that very much, especially when the guy said, "Yeah, pigs, let us go. We got our rights."

When the thirty days was up, I was stationed at Fort Totten but this incredible First Sergeant let me stay at home on one condition: I call him every Friday and let him know how things were. This action remains a great mystery in my life and I still regret that I never asked why. But these kind of things have happened to me throughout my life. Grace, perhaps.

I got involved with a Quaker Church down on Twenty-First, I think it was. A lot of demonstrations were going on in New York at that time, '68, and the Quakers were training Marshalls to help maintain non-violence; I took the training...and gradually got converted to pacifism. Most of the time I got the same expressions of h**e as the "long hairs," who dished it with equal exuberance. I was really neutral. I didn't feel that I was on any side.

My point: my patroitism during that period was frequently questioned (we wore yellow armbands and that drew a lot of catcalls of "coward) and of course all these demonstrators were c****e agitators and anti-American, not true Americans with real grievances. I wonder how the pre-revolutionary colonists were looked upon by the establisment? The "Love it or leave it" philosophy is understandable but it is also a gateway to f*****m. Generalization is the worst form of prejudice. To take it that every liberal or progressive, or just Democrats, are socialists or c****es is part of the blind eye of patriotism. Such thinking is more dangerous to this country than terrorism, for it corrodes from within the fiber of American ideals.
I came back from overseas three months early on em... (show quote)

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