The survey data are clear: There is a patriotism differential between the Right and the Left.
Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani instantly became the most notorious man in America when he said at a conservative dinner in Manhattan that President Barack Obama doesnt love America.
He gamely tried to defend the remark for a few days before issuing a semimea culpa in the Wall Street Journal regretting his bluntness and saying that he didnt intend to question President Obamas motives or the content of his heart.
That was probably the inevitable end point once the words came out of his mouth, since it is an unwritten rule of American public life that only liberals are allowed to call their adversaries unpatriotic. Rudy Giuliani isnt Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid, who have both unloosed the un-American bomb on conservative opponents without any risk of getting hounded from polite society.
The reaction to Giulianis comment was so harsh in part because he referred to Obamas upbringing. This was taken as a sign that in the wince-inducing argot of people constantly inventing a new vocabulary for their grievances he was othering Obama, or playing to dark fears about the presidents past. Cue the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
But no othering is necessary. To be less patriotic than the average American doesnt require any elaborate backstory or exotic beliefs it is, as a matter of fact, a standard characteristic of the typical American liberal. The survey data are clear: There is a patriotism differential between the Right and the Left. Which doesnt mean that liberals dont love the country in their own fashion, but their love is not reflected in old-fashioned p***e in country.
A Pew Research survey last year found that 46 percent of steadfast conservatives believed that the U.S. stands above all other countries; only 11 percent of solid liberals believed the same. Seventy-two percent of steadfast conservatives said they often feel proud to be an American; only 40 percent of solid liberals said they do.
Gallup headlined its write-up of a 2010 survey One in Three Americans Extremely Patriotic: Republicans, conservatives, and seniors most likely to say so. According to Gallup, 52 percent of Republicans and 48 percent of conservatives called themselves extremely patriotic; only 20 percent of Democrats and 19 percent of liberals did.
As a general matter, patriotic sentiment becomes more attenuated the further left you go. The late distinguished philosopher Richard Rorty, hardly a McCarthyite, once wrote a New York Times op-ed titled The Unpatriotic Academy.
He praised the Left on campus for its championing of marginalized groups, before stipulating that there is a problem with this left: it is unpatriotic. In the name of the politics of difference, it refuses to rejoice in the country it inhabits. It repudiates the idea of a national identity, and the emotion of national p***e.
Edmund Burke famously said that to make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely. For the Left, America is lovely to the extent it corresponds to a progressive vision of a European-style welfare state that leads from behind in international affairs and pounds its chest less about its own greatness and exceptionalism. The America it can feel proud of exists not in actuality, but in prospect, as a vessel for a distinct ideological vision.
Needless to say, it is hard to pursue this project while simultaneously feeling what George Orwell, in his definition of patriotism, called devotion to a particular place and particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world.
None of this means that questioning any particular politicians patriotism will ever be considered in bounds it smacks of questioning motives that are ultimately unknowable. But if Giuliani had stood up before that room of conservatives and said that liberals dont feel about this country the way we do, he would have been on unassailable ground, and had the data to prove it.
Rich Lowry
JMHO wrote:
The survey data are clear: There is a patriotism differential between the Right and the Left.
Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani instantly became the most notorious man in America when he said at a conservative dinner in Manhattan that President Barack Obama doesnt love America.
He gamely tried to defend the remark for a few days before issuing a semimea culpa in the Wall Street Journal regretting his bluntness and saying that he didnt intend to question President Obamas motives or the content of his heart.
That was probably the inevitable end point once the words came out of his mouth, since it is an unwritten rule of American public life that only liberals are allowed to call their adversaries unpatriotic. Rudy Giuliani isnt Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid, who have both unloosed the un-American bomb on conservative opponents without any risk of getting hounded from polite society.
The reaction to Giulianis comment was so harsh in part because he referred to Obamas upbringing. This was taken as a sign that in the wince-inducing argot of people constantly inventing a new vocabulary for their grievances he was othering Obama, or playing to dark fears about the presidents past. Cue the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
But no othering is necessary. To be less patriotic than the average American doesnt require any elaborate backstory or exotic beliefs it is, as a matter of fact, a standard characteristic of the typical American liberal. The survey data are clear: There is a patriotism differential between the Right and the Left. Which doesnt mean that liberals dont love the country in their own fashion, but their love is not reflected in old-fashioned p***e in country.
A Pew Research survey last year found that 46 percent of steadfast conservatives believed that the U.S. stands above all other countries; only 11 percent of solid liberals believed the same. Seventy-two percent of steadfast conservatives said they often feel proud to be an American; only 40 percent of solid liberals said they do.
Gallup headlined its write-up of a 2010 survey One in Three Americans Extremely Patriotic: Republicans, conservatives, and seniors most likely to say so. According to Gallup, 52 percent of Republicans and 48 percent of conservatives called themselves extremely patriotic; only 20 percent of Democrats and 19 percent of liberals did.
As a general matter, patriotic sentiment becomes more attenuated the further left you go. The late distinguished philosopher Richard Rorty, hardly a McCarthyite, once wrote a New York Times op-ed titled The Unpatriotic Academy.
He praised the Left on campus for its championing of marginalized groups, before stipulating that there is a problem with this left: it is unpatriotic. In the name of the politics of difference, it refuses to rejoice in the country it inhabits. It repudiates the idea of a national identity, and the emotion of national p***e.
Edmund Burke famously said that to make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely. For the Left, America is lovely to the extent it corresponds to a progressive vision of a European-style welfare state that leads from behind in international affairs and pounds its chest less about its own greatness and exceptionalism. The America it can feel proud of exists not in actuality, but in prospect, as a vessel for a distinct ideological vision.
Needless to say, it is hard to pursue this project while simultaneously feeling what George Orwell, in his definition of patriotism, called devotion to a particular place and particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world.
None of this means that questioning any particular politicians patriotism will ever be considered in bounds it smacks of questioning motives that are ultimately unknowable. But if Giuliani had stood up before that room of conservatives and said that liberals dont feel about this country the way we do, he would have been on unassailable ground, and had the data to prove it.
Rich Lowry
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You are confusing Nationalism with Patriotism. Nationalists believe their country superior and that anyone who doesn't to be t*****rs. Patriotism is a love of country for what it is and for what it can become. Liberals aren't Nationalists though they are very patriotic and have great love of country with hope for what it can become!
PeterS wrote:
You are confusing Nationalism with Patriotism. Nationalists believe their country superior and that anyone who doesn't to be t*****rs. Patriotism is a love of country for what it is and for what it can become. Liberals aren't Nationalists though they are very patriotic and have great love of country with hope for what it can become!
Liberals are NOT patriotic, and they do not like America, that is why they are always trying to change it.
PeterS wrote:
You are confusing Nationalism with Patriotism. Nationalists believe their country superior and that anyone who doesn't to be t*****rs. Patriotism is a love of country for what it is and for what it can become. Liberals aren't Nationalists though they are very patriotic and have great love of country with hope for what it can become!
This is a non-attributable quote from an article I read on this subject:
"Nationalism and patriotism both show the relationship of an individual towards his or her nation. The two are often confused and frequently believed to mean the same thing. However, there is a vast difference between nationalism and patriotism.
Nationalism means to give more importance to unity by way of a cultural background, including language and heritage. Patriotism pertains to the love for a nation, with more emphasis on values and beliefs.
Nationalism makes one try to find justification for mistakes made in the past, while patriotism enables people to understand both the shortcomings and improvements made."
JMHO wrote:
Liberals are NOT patriotic, and they do not like America, that is why they are always trying to change it.
No, liberals don't like Conservatives--if not for them there would be nothing to change so America would be fine!
PeterS wrote:
No, liberals don't like Conservatives--if not for them there would be nothing to change so America would be fine!
Yep, get rid of the liberals and we would have a much better country. It's easy to be a liberal, it's the easiest choice, the gutless choice...one doesn't have to have any core values or principles.
JMHO wrote:
Yep, get rid of the liberals and we would have a much better country. It's easy to be a liberal, it's the easiest choice, the gutless choice...one doesn't have to have any core values or principles.
God J you just describe your selves so very, very well. We ran the Tory conservatives out during the Revolution and you can crawling bank in to pollute this great country once again. Thats all you guys can do is pollute -- and then b***h because liberals dont like the way you stink! And speaking of pollution, Rush Limbaugh complained that Jon Stuart had poisoned the Republican brand and his responded was how do your pollute a Cyanide factory! Truer words were never spoken my friend--you cant poison something that is by its very nature. poison!!!
PeterS wrote:
God J you just describe your selves so very, very well. We ran the Tory conservatives out during the Revolution and you can crawling bank in to pollute this great country once again. Thats all you guys can do is pollute -- and then b***h because liberals dont like the way you stink! And speaking of pollution, Rush Limbaugh complained that Jon Stuart had poisoned the Republican brand and his responded was how do your pollute a Cyanide factory! Truer words were never spoken my friend--you cant poison something that is by its very nature. poison!!!
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You can twist it all you want, pal, but what I posted was AN ACCURATE description of a liberal...that be you, pal. You have no core values, or principles...you stand for nothing...just another gutless wonder.
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