TheCracker

Planets are like bodies, we should only expect to get one. On that basis it makes good sense to take care of what we have.

Contrary to urban legend, the environment is not a matter of discussion reserved for liberals who fly jets as they tell us we should ride on mopeds.

When it comes to protecting our world, the separation between progressive socialist and conservatives has more to do with the "how" than "we must".

Man made g****l w*****g advocates model their environmental extremism by employing methods familiar to a used car dealer unloading a lemon on a teenager. They fail to realize that we conservatives are not teenagers.

The conservative version of environmental enthusiasm centers on good science supporting sound policies enforced honestly.

Consideration for our environment makes sense and thus is a conservative priority. Reason and true science should guide policy -- not politics and personal preference. Certainly throwing our money at "pie-in-the-sky" progressive adventures, already proven failures, over and over again is not the creed of the conservative thinker, rather the emotions of a progressive liberal spending other peoples money and avoiding any responsibilities for their failures.

The C*****r
cmvrwc

Grace Adams

As a conservative, what sound policies do you believe are supported by what good science and how do you believe they can be enforced honestly? As a liberal, I really like what I see US Navy funding engineering R&D by Algae Systems with Global Thermostat as subcontractor to develop carbon-negative algal bio-diesel as a replacement product for petroleum. I realize that because our too big to fail oil firms have both huge political power and plenty of customers, it will be necessary not only to persuade those oil firms to mass- produce and mass-market algal bio-diesel but also to buy the displaced petroleum as it is displaced.
US Navy started by looking for a way to save on the huge cost ($100/gallon by the time diesel was delivered to front lines over precarious supply lines plus many soldiers k**led guarding supply lines) of diesel on remote bases. When US Navy saw how much they were saving, they decided to extend the contract with Algae Systems, hoping to get a commercial replacement product for petroleum so the oil firms will be able to grow and process all they can sell and not need our military to bully other nations to protect the oil firms interests in petroleum.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

I'm conservative, grew up that way. No food was ever wasted in my home. No water was ever wasted. There wasn't money for luxuries so we never had any. My parents worked for what little they had. I worked for my living. I have never thrown a piece of paper, even a chewing gum wrapper on the ground. I have never started a campfire. I have never polluted the air. I have never harmed a person or animal that I know of.

I am conservative to this day, and have ALWAYS treated my planet, my home, decently while I have watched so many of those who preach "treat the planet kindly" while jetting around the world, maintaining swimming pools that may or may not ever be used, live in huge homes merely for appearances sake, run their ACs and furnaces through all seasons, who dress up in firs and waste clothing and food as much as possible for humans to do.

I think those who want to be diligent, as I think of myself as being, should continue being diligent. I think researchers should research, and it would be nice if we could trust their findings, but THEY have made that impossible by reporting lies. I think everybody else should shut up and live their own lives as best as they can. We have one life to live - it would be nice if I could live mine while you live yours and others live theirs. But until the left learns some things, such will never be the case......they are born and bred controllers of others.

Grace Adams

My parents were middle class. My father taught microbiology at NYU medical school. I got a lot of cultural literacy about science from him. Proof is a mathematical concept, not a scientific concept, all science can do is gather lots of data, do statistical analysis on it, and give odds that their conclusions are within a certain distance of being right. I didn't find out about poverty until I married a man whose parents were fiercely proud that they were working poor, not welfare poor. From what I have read on the Algae Systems, Global Thermostat, and US Navy websites, algal bio-diesel is likely to be cost- competitive with petroleum in 2016. If oil firms can be persuaded to mass-produce and mass-market it, it will capture and store carbon, which is likely to help calm down the increasingly crazy weather, including drought and summer heat waves.

TheCracker

Grace. There is nothing wrong with research on any alternate fuel which will lower our dependance on carbon based products for our vehicles.

That said. You must also realize that petroleum products cannot be replaced at this time and place. On the contrary, for our own well being, we "must" and "can" recover even more gas and oil and put it to use.

Even if we could develop vehicles capable of using other sources of energy, we still need lot's of energy to develop the vehicles themselves. This includes the petroleum based by-products used in the manufacture and as body and trim.

In addition when you consider powering our country with utility services used to light, cool and preserve our food you cannot even begin to provide enough energy with alternate sources such as wind or solar.

Nuclear power is an available source of energy which can help reduce our dependency, yet try and get a permit and you will quickly get tied up in court with both the EPA and radical environmentalist.

We have a inexpensive source of usable energy with natural gas and fracturing will get even more. We all know the roar from environmentalist on that one also.

Wind power sounds nice, but are you willing to install your own windmill located in your back yard, or would you want to tap into your neighbors?

Solar power sounds good (and it has future possibilities) but realize that both types of energy derived from the sun require the use of non-renewable products.

Photovoltaic cells are usually constructed from silicon. It constitutes roughly 28 percent of the Earth's crust and requires strip mining.
Solar Thermal Materials. The best battery design used to store the generated power at night is lithium batteries and you don't even want to talk about the rape of earth materials.

Solar thermal systems produce energy using the sun's heat, rather than its light energy. Mirrors are the primary material that collects this heat, which is eventually converted into steam and used to power an electricity-producing turbine. This to requires non-renewable resources such as mirrors consisting of metal coatings, such as silver, gold or chrome. Even more non-renewable earth resources.

I could continue on until your head spins with the stupidity of trying to replace completely the f****l f**ls in use today.

At this point, we must continue to use and develop our carbon based fuels and at the same time (with a degree of common sense for a change) encourage private companies to research and develop the next evolution. Government grants should not be given, tax credits to both the company and it's investors should be.

What has been going on, and Obama, Gore coupled with non-thinking Democrats are a prime example, is the idea that by putting restrictions on our current needs will make the "teenager" want to buy their lemon car.

Got it now?

The C*****r
cmvrc

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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TheCracker

Grace. I am replying to your ignorance about math and science and science not requiring proof. The rest I will let stand as stated.

Science is physics, physics is math, and all forms depend on proof for the basis of acceptance -- and proof of it's viability.

Ps. You appear to be stuck on one little part of fuel futures. Do you have an invested interest in bio-Diesel?

The C*****r
cmvrwc

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I know it is unfair to insert any words of non-scientists here but my son would go wild reading your posts. He has spoken out about the damage done to diesel engines by bio-diesel for years. Yes, he is only a mechanic but diesel engines are his specialty and he thinks he sees much more damage than good from that fuel. Yep, he keeps saying that if we throw out California laws about things like fuel we could exist a lot longer.

Has your company proved anything yet other than it might work.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

I have a question for you, did the whale fishermen buy the oil from the first oil wells that were drilled? so why should the oil companies buy oil from the algae growers ? why can't they do their own marketing?

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

c*****r, I know my mind isn't very strong but seem to be able to read it even from a distance, loved your post

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Droughts and summer heat waves? I wonder when the left will begin talking about the really hot summer of 1980 which was 33 years ago and was caused by the el nino and el nina phenomena. You do know about them, don't you?

Why should the oil companies have to retool so they can produce this fuel? It seems to me that until it becomes competitive they should continue to produce diesel fuel. Surely the scientists can provide a method of production that would allow oil companies to do their thing.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

May I ask who will convince the petroleum companies to change over to algae as the base of their fuels? Is it a group of scientists, the government through force, Algore? Who is going to do that for your company?

Do you remember when those "scientists" used that hockey stick to try to convince us of something about g****l w*****g. I guess they didn't think it clear through, did they?

Grace Adams

Algae Systems already produces carbon-negative bio-diesel that our military uses on front lines saving money over cost of getting it there by vulnerable supply lines and lives previously lost defending supply lines. Algae Systems expects to get this bio-diesel cost-competitive with petroleum in 2016. US Navy wants to buy more of it and green their energy supply here in the United States. They also hope that once it is competitive and oil firms mass-produce and mass-market it, there will be less cause for our military to fight other nations to protect the interests of American oil firms in Middle Eastern oil deposits. I hope the carbon-negative feature will help calm weather thus help our farms.

Grace Adams

I hope federal government will contract with oil firms to each run one module of Algae Systems algae production and processing equipment for something like cost plus $0.50/gallon to get the oil firms to try it at very little risk to the oil firms, learn how so they can get up to speed quickly, and produce bio-diesel US Navy wants anyhow for military use here in the United States. I hope in 2016 when it is cost-competitive, oil firms will be willing to buy (with 80% financing direct loan at wh**ever rate feds pay for ten year bonds) some modules to produce bio-diesel to sell to general public.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

I do not understand why you believe the oil companies or the govt. need to get involved if it becomes viable an individual or group of individuals can invest their own money and you can invest with them but leave my tax money out of it