AvJoe

The problem with the posts I have read has more to do with the absolute crap being generated. I am a new member and this is only my second post but allow me to suggest the following:

Instead of calling someone a "liberal" (Which I have been for about 50 years) or some other name I suggest we reframe from name calling and try to honestly and argue facts and honest opinion rather than name calling. This can be a great serious site or a rag paper. I think you know what I advocate. Any position is welcome but misstatements, repeated lies and bigoted, racial or political slurs which please the emotions but are just that, slurs should be called out by members of this group. Of course rebuttals are welcome but again adhering to the rules above.
By the way correcting spelling and English as a primary argument against a position, rather than the substance of what is argued is a cheap shot (seen used many times on these pages) and a poor substitute for fact!

The Dutchman

Well now by your own admission to being a liberal please tell us just what is a liberal?

CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas

Quid Pro Quo, The Dutchman: I'm itching to respond to this with my own definition, but I don't want to interceed upon AvJor's considered answer. Till then, I'm in the bush. I can't wait, hardly.

The Dutchman

Oh I can wait and I certainly will!

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I am sure all of us so appreciate your assistance in how we manage the various forums and our comments thereon. It so edifying to have someone of maturity to provide direction as to how to properly interact and be serious.

NOT

If we so displease your sense of how to conduct this "site", you have the freedom to remove yourself for a site meeting your requirements.

Be well and hopefully gone.

The Dutchman

Come on AuntiE, give the fella a break, besides I have always been on a wonder as to just what a liberal really is...

ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio

ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

As you are a new member and probably have not read many posts, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and try not to be too hard on you.

This is a forum where Freedom of Speech is King. You can say what you want here. Just remember, the First Amendment grants you the right to say what you want. It DOES NOT, however, grant you the right to be heard or heeded. I do find it appalling that you, as a new member, feel it is necessary that we change our ways to suit your needs.

Your suggestion is that we say "Hey, you"? You cannot refrain from name calling. A name is an identification label.



As this is a very subjective point you bring up, there is no need to comment other than to say there is no need to comment.

I know you think you are appealing to everyone on this forum when you use this statement, but I h**e to tell you that the only responses so far, including mine, have come from conservatives. I know all of the current respondents, and if you notice, not one has been insulting. AuntiE must be having one of her cranky days and does not want to deal with the likes of you. She normally would make fun of your comment, but not be rude until you started it. And, if you pay attention, one of the conservatives called her out for her rudeness. You and your liberal ilk use the word conservative as a dirty word, why should the word liberal not treated in the same manner. It is called "tit for tat", or as CrazyHorse always says, "Quid Pro Quo".

Your admission of being a liberal grants me the right to ask this question: If being a liberal means being welcome to new ideas, open-minded about all people and all topics, accepting of all, why is it that I find, in my experience, most liberals to be h**ers, close-minded on many topics, narrow-minded on others, and less tolerant than I have ever been in my life?

Here are the rules for this forum:
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-1-1.html#101
As the creator of the website makes the rules, again, you can suggest all you want, but this is his/her site and they are the ones that make the rules. You are appealing to the wrong people.

From my experiences, the people needing correction for grammar and spelling are violating the rules you have put forth all the time. Again, while many conservatives on this site do make mistakes, the majority of bad grammar and spelling comes from those proclaiming to be liberal or progressive, with a few of the other -ists thrown in. These are the same people who do drive-by postings. They throw out their opinions or statements without showing any support for their statements, and then when confronted by the bad grammar and/or bad spelling and/or factless statements, they do not debate, they just cower in the corner, bad mouthing the people who call them out with facts destroying their statements. They know they have no supporting evidence, so they retaliate to kindergarten tactics.

In these next few statements, I do not presume to speak for all conservatives, on this site or elsewhere, when I say "We conservatives" or a similar phrase. I just do not want to have to say I do not speak for all each time I use it, so this is blanket coverage.

We conservatives do not refrain from calling an i***t an i***t. That is the Freedom we believe in. The First Amendment allows us to call you out, it does not protect you from being offended, nor does the Declaration of Independence say you have a right to happiness, it says you have a right to pursue happiness.

We conservatives are just as likely to call another conservative out on spelling and grammar and stupidity when we find it, over calling out a liberal, that part is always easy to do. We conservatives live by a higher standard of debate that seems to be missing from your liberal/progressive friends. We are also, in most cases willing to concede that we are incorrect, which is in direct confrontation with the liberal/progressive ideal of never being wrong even when proven wrong.

From my point of view, I have rarely run into a liberal who, when shown the facts, and who cannot find evidence to dispute the contrarian facts nor can find evidence supporting their side, will change their opinion on a topic.

As this was posted last night as 10:30 PM and you have not responded as yet to the previous respondents, I wonder if this was another drive-by?

TheCracker

In my view. This was nothing more than a liberal trying to "shut up" those with different (conservative) opinions.

Liberals are good at that, and they h**e all words which prove their stupidity. Listen for them to compliment FOX news if you disagree.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Since part of the post was directed at me, remonstrating with me for grammatical corrections, perhaps I should insert my "two cents." I can live with ignorance, but not willful and obnoxious ignorance. My corrections which you have seen fit to call me on are in response to a steady stream of childish insults, (mostly misspelled) outrageous lies and half t***hs, and opinions derived from skimming and cherry picking.
I posted in opposition to S.744, the "Immigration Bill" currently in the Senate. My post was polite, grammatically correct, and bolstered with data gleaned mostly from US Government sources. For my trouble, I was called a r****t, a redneck, and a "bigat." (Bigot?).
Segue to another post. I called attention to the disparity between black and white violent crime rates, using as my cited authority data from Eric Holder's own Department of Justice. For this effort, I was a "rases white boi, no crebity." Yes, it was spelled like that. Verbatim. In response to another post, I was called an "illiterate r****d," in a response that contained fourteen grammatical errors and misspellings in two very short (and improperly constructed) paragraphs. These were mistakes an average fourth grader would know to avoid. So, tell me more about learned,civil, and reasoned discourse with your poor, benighted brethren. Then tell them if they wish to insult me, at least spell it properly. How about you? Do you wish to engage?

Bick

I personally do not use the term "Liberal" to describe a person such as yourself aS THE WORD COMES FROM THE WORD lIBERTY AND i REFUSE TO USE THAT FOR PERSONS THAT THINK AS U APPARENTLY DO.
I USE INSTEAD THE WORD "PROGRESSIVE" EVEN CLINTON HERSELF DESCRIBED HERSELF AS SUCH AND SO WERE Teddy, Wilson,FDR,Carter clinton and now BHO ( Damn sorry about the caps not mean to use them. saw what happened after the fact.)
Anyway, Progressive, socialist, c*******t those are the words I use to describe persons such as yourself.

The Dutchman

This is meant to express a standing ovation


This is meant to express a standing ovation

willy7

Joe, just as long as you adhere to the rules; what's wrong with saying you're a "liberal"? Sometimes I think there can be no meaningful dialogue liberal-to-conservative. Labels don't necessarily mean a 'slur', simply a declaration of fact. As to slurs, democrats have never been slow to fire them: Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin's grandson a r****d. (It WAS a slur.)

Navysnipe Loc: Old West

AVJoe wrote: Any position is welcome but misstatements, repeated lies and bigoted, racial or political slurs which please the emotions but are just that, slurs should be called out by members of this group.

Sorry, but we are not members of the politically correct. You have only posted twice, and already you are playing the race card. This leaves any post open to calling someone a r****t if you don't agree with them. Trying to get all of us to call this out is what they do on the liberal sites. Unfortunately, this is one of the little tricks the current administration and there little trolls use when they can't win an argument. I believe in free speech. In fact, I am one of the veterans of this country that helped to ensure we can speak freely. Those who don't like it, can go elsewhere.