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What Psychopaths teach us about success...
Jan 8, 2015 08:20:43   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
"What Psychopaths Teach Us About How to Succeed" by Kevin Dutton.
We share some observations on the similarity between successful people, such as surgeons or CEOs, and psychopaths. In fact, one prominent venture capitalist states that the three characteristics most predictive of success in executives are determination, curiosity and insensitivity. (Full disclosure -- I have been a CEO for much of my career):

"Traits that are common among psychopathic serial k**lers -- a grandiose sense of self-worth, persuasiveness, superficial charm, ruthlessness, lack of remorse and the manipulation of others -- are also shared by politicians and world leaders. Individuals, in other words, running not from the police. But for office. Such a profile allows those who present with these traits to do what they like when they like, completely unfazed by the social, moral or legal consequences of their actions. ...

"If you are violent and cunning, like the real-life 'Hannibal Lecter' Robert Maudsley, you might take a fellow inmate hostage, smash his skull in and sample his brains with a spoon as nonchalantly as if you were downing a soft-boiled egg. (Maudsley, by the way, has been cooped up in solitary confinement for the past 30 years, in a bulletproof cage in the basement of Wakefield Prison in England.)

"Or if you are a brilliant neurosurgeon, ruthlessly cool and focused under pressure, you might, like the man I'll call Dr. Geraghty, try your luck on a completely different playing field: at the remote outposts of 21st-century medicine, where risk blows in on 100-mile-per-hour winds and the oxygen of deliberation is thin. 'I have no compassion for those whom I operate on,' he told me. 'That is a luxury I simply cannot afford. In the theater I am reborn: as a cold, heartless machine, totally at one with scalpel, drill and saw. When you're cutting loose and c***ting death high above the snowline of the brain, feelings aren't fit for purpose. Emotion is entropy -- and seriously bad for business. I've hunted it down to extinction over the years.' ...

"Psychopaths are fearless, confident, charismatic, ruthless and focused. Yet, contrary to popular belief, they are not necessarily violent. Far from its being an open-and-shut case -- you're either a psychopath or you're not -- there are, instead, inner and outer zones of the disorder: a bit like the fare zones on a subway map. There is a spectrum of psychopathy along which each of us has our place. ...



"[In a test designated as Case 1, subjects were told they could save five lives, but to do so they had to flip a switch that would k**l one person. In Case 2, they could also save five lives, but they could only do so by pushing another person to his death.] Just like most normal members of the population, psychopaths make pretty short work of the dilemma presented in Case 1. Yet -- and this is where the plot thickens -- quite unlike normal people [who have difficulty with Case 2 because it is more personal], they also make pretty short work of Case 2. Psychopaths, without batting an eye, are perfectly happy to [push that person to his death].

"To compound matters further, this difference in behavior is mirrored, rather distinctly, in the brain. The pattern of neural activation in both psychopaths and normal people is well matched on the presentation of impersonal moral dilemmas -- but dramatically diverges when things get a bit more personal.

"Imagine that I were to pop you into a functional MRI machine and then present you with the two dilemmas. What would I observe as you went about negotiating their moral minefields? Just around the time that the nature of the dilemma crossed the border from impersonal to personal, I would see your amygdala and related brain circuits -- your medial orbitofrontal cortex, for example -- light up like a pinball machine. I would witness the moment, in other words, that emotion puts its money in the slot. But in a psychopath, I would see only darkness. The cavernous neural casino would be boarded up and derelict -- the crossing from impersonal to personal would pass without any incident. ...

" 'Intellectual ability on its own is just an elegant way of finishing second,' one successful CEO told me. 'Remember, they don't call it a greasy pole for nothing. The road to the top is hard. But it's easier to climb if you lever yourself up on others. Easier still if they think something's in it for them.'

"Jon Moulton, one of London's most successful venture capitalists, agrees. In a recent interview with the Financial Times, he lists determination, curiosity and insensitivity as his three most valuable character traits. No prizes for guessing the first two. But insensitivity? The great thing about insensitivity, Moulton explains, is that 'it lets you sleep when others can't.' "

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Jan 8, 2015 13:57:58   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
"What Psychopaths Teach Us About How to Succeed" by Kevin Dutton.
We share some observations on the similarity between successful people, such as surgeons or CEOs, and psychopaths. In fact, one prominent venture capitalist states that the three characteristics most predictive of success in executives are determination, curiosity and insensitivity. (Full disclosure -- I have been a CEO for much of my career):

"Traits that are common among psychopathic serial k**lers -- a grandiose sense of self-worth, persuasiveness, superficial charm, ruthlessness, lack of remorse and the manipulation of others -- are also shared by politicians and world leaders. Individuals, in other words, running not from the police. But for office. Such a profile allows those who present with these traits to do what they like when they like, completely unfazed by the social, moral or legal consequences of their actions. ...

"If you are violent and cunning, like the real-life 'Hannibal Lecter' Robert Maudsley, you might take a fellow inmate hostage, smash his skull in and sample his brains with a spoon as nonchalantly as if you were downing a soft-boiled egg. (Maudsley, by the way, has been cooped up in solitary confinement for the past 30 years, in a bulletproof cage in the basement of Wakefield Prison in England.)

"Or if you are a brilliant neurosurgeon, ruthlessly cool and focused under pressure, you might, like the man I'll call Dr. Geraghty, try your luck on a completely different playing field: at the remote outposts of 21st-century medicine, where risk blows in on 100-mile-per-hour winds and the oxygen of deliberation is thin. 'I have no compassion for those whom I operate on,' he told me. 'That is a luxury I simply cannot afford. In the theater I am reborn: as a cold, heartless machine, totally at one with scalpel, drill and saw. When you're cutting loose and c***ting death high above the snowline of the brain, feelings aren't fit for purpose. Emotion is entropy -- and seriously bad for business. I've hunted it down to extinction over the years.' ...

"Psychopaths are fearless, confident, charismatic, ruthless and focused. Yet, contrary to popular belief, they are not necessarily violent. Far from its being an open-and-shut case -- you're either a psychopath or you're not -- there are, instead, inner and outer zones of the disorder: a bit like the fare zones on a subway map. There is a spectrum of psychopathy along which each of us has our place. ...



"[In a test designated as Case 1, subjects were told they could save five lives, but to do so they had to flip a switch that would k**l one person. In Case 2, they could also save five lives, but they could only do so by pushing another person to his death.] Just like most normal members of the population, psychopaths make pretty short work of the dilemma presented in Case 1. Yet -- and this is where the plot thickens -- quite unlike normal people [who have difficulty with Case 2 because it is more personal], they also make pretty short work of Case 2. Psychopaths, without batting an eye, are perfectly happy to [push that person to his death].

"To compound matters further, this difference in behavior is mirrored, rather distinctly, in the brain. The pattern of neural activation in both psychopaths and normal people is well matched on the presentation of impersonal moral dilemmas -- but dramatically diverges when things get a bit more personal.

"Imagine that I were to pop you into a functional MRI machine and then present you with the two dilemmas. What would I observe as you went about negotiating their moral minefields? Just around the time that the nature of the dilemma crossed the border from impersonal to personal, I would see your amygdala and related brain circuits -- your medial orbitofrontal cortex, for example -- light up like a pinball machine. I would witness the moment, in other words, that emotion puts its money in the slot. But in a psychopath, I would see only darkness. The cavernous neural casino would be boarded up and derelict -- the crossing from impersonal to personal would pass without any incident. ...

" 'Intellectual ability on its own is just an elegant way of finishing second,' one successful CEO told me. 'Remember, they don't call it a greasy pole for nothing. The road to the top is hard. But it's easier to climb if you lever yourself up on others. Easier still if they think something's in it for them.'

"Jon Moulton, one of London's most successful venture capitalists, agrees. In a recent interview with the Financial Times, he lists determination, curiosity and insensitivity as his three most valuable character traits. No prizes for guessing the first two. But insensitivity? The great thing about insensitivity, Moulton explains, is that 'it lets you sleep when others can't.' "
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Let me ask you if I reached a correct bottom line to this very interesting post. Insensitivity or as some would call it ruthlessness is a genetic condition?

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Jan 8, 2015 14:16:22   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Armageddun wrote:
Let me ask you if I reached a correct bottom line to this very interesting post. Insensitivity or as some would call it ruthlessness is a genetic condition?


Only if you assume that a psychopaths brain is genetically damaged versus emotionally damaged. Brain scans of these individuals would indicate genetic differences, but maybe it was brain damage caused by a coping mechanism.

...but yea, that's the conclusion...hence the reason...they should be permanently locked up, since the average person would go insane in prison, they seem to be indifferent to it.

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Jan 8, 2015 14:28:49   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Only if you assume that a psychopaths brain is genetically damaged versus emotionally damaged. Brain scans of these individuals would indicate genetic differences, but maybe it was brain damage caused by a coping mechanism.

...but yea, that's the conclusion...hence the reason...they should be permanently locked up, since the average person would go insane in prison, they seem to be indifferent to it.


Just a note: The way our country and judicial system is going, couldn't it be possible in the near future, if this become a scientific or medical fact; that they may be released after a period of (rehab) only to be set lose again in society??

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Jan 8, 2015 15:23:50   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Armageddun wrote:
Just a note: The way our country and judicial system is going, couldn't it be possible in the near future, if this become a scientific or medical fact; that they may be released after a period of (rehab) only to be set lose again in society??


The psychological community is in lockstep on this one, but you never know. There is no evidence to support that rehab makes any difference, well accept vacuuming out all of the brain tissue.
My mother-in-law is crazy and she wants here guardianship removed, the judge isn't interested in changing things. Even if we agreed to the change: the court would hold her lawyer and the family responsible for any damage she caused.

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Jan 8, 2015 17:33:08   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
The psychological community is in lockstep on this one, but you never know. There is no evidence to support that rehab makes any difference, well accept vacuuming out all of the brain tissue.
My mother-in-law is crazy and she wants here guardianship removed, the judge isn't interested in changing things. Even if we agreed to the change: the court would hold her lawyer and the family responsible for any damage she caused.


Well thank the Lord you have a judge with some sense. She could wind up hurting herself or others.

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Jan 9, 2015 09:43:13   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Armageddun wrote:
Well thank the Lord you have a judge with some sense. She could wind up hurting herself or others.


Wise judge indeed. After a recent experience with hospital staff and a hospital administrator, I'd like to throw them into the psychopath group. I have yet to decide whether staff were trying to hasten what they decided would be my mother's soon demise from head trauma (they told me she was not long for the world) by giving her morphine which she most definitely is allergic to and it was plainly stated EVERYWHERE or the Administrator who called me at 3:45 in the afternoon of the third day stating she had to be discharged from the hospital that day because they could do nothing for her. At that point, she was nonresponsive. Within a day of being back at the nursing home, she wasn't making any sense, but she was smiling and walking and sitting at a table eating her lunch. Psychopaths, it would seem, abound everywhere.

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Jan 9, 2015 09:59:00   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Searching wrote:
Wise judge indeed. After a recent experience with hospital staff and a hospital administrator, I'd like to throw them into the psychopath group. I have yet to decide whether staff were trying to hasten what they decided would be my mother's soon demise from head trauma (they told me she was not long for the world) by giving her morphine which she most definitely is allergic to and it was plainly stated EVERYWHERE or the Administrator who called me at 3:45 in the afternoon of the third day stating she had to be discharged from the hospital that day because they could do nothing for her. At that point, she was nonresponsive. Within a day of being back at the nursing home, she wasn't making any sense, but she was smiling and walking and sitting at a table eating her lunch. Psychopaths, it would seem, abound everywhere.
Wise judge indeed. After a recent experience with... (show quote)


...surgeons are typically psychopaths....

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