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More Americans see man who leaked NSA secrets as 'patriot' than t*****r: Poll
Jun 13, 2013 03:37:37   #
OPP Newsletter
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/12/us-usa-security-poll-idUSBRE95B1AF20130612

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Jun 13, 2013 07:22:35   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
Usually, t*****rs do what they do in secret and are afraid of being exposed. He was right when he said he is neither t*****r nor hero. but American. He informed the public of something the government was doing in secret. Who's the t*****r?

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Jun 13, 2013 09:11:59   #
mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana
 
OPP Newsletter wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/12/us-usa-security-poll-idUSBRE95B1AF20130612

Legally, and I am not even sure of this, he was wrong. Is it illegal to expose un-Constitutional government programs?

Ethically, and I am very sure of this, he was VERY right

Morally, again, I am extremely sure of this, he was EXTREMELY right.

In this case, I say screw the legal crap, screw the politicians who want his head, and screw the administration in their desire for his head. Give this man a medal for being a true Patriot among those too afraid to stand up to the government. I am curious to know how many people who knew about these programs actually thought about exposing it, but were afraid of the ramifications. I am also curious to know how many people who knew about these programs supported them.

As an aside, I love the irony of the t*****rs calling this man a t*****r.

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Jun 13, 2013 09:31:06   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
mmccarty12 wrote:
Legally, and I am not even sure of this, he was wrong. Is it illegal to expose un-Constitutional government programs?

Ethically, and I am very sure of this, he was VERY right

Morally, again, I am extremely sure of this, he was EXTREMELY right.

In this case, I say screw the legal crap, screw the politicians who want his head, and screw the administration in their desire for his head. Give this man a medal for being a true Patriot among those too afraid to stand up to the government. I am curious to know how many people who knew about these programs actually thought about exposing it, but were afraid of the ramifications. I am also curious to know how many people who knew about these programs supported them.

As an aside, I love the irony of the t*****rs calling this man a t*****r.
Legally, and I am not even sure of this, he was wr... (show quote)


My thoughts exactly! I just wonder how many more of these secret programs are going on, even as we speak. Our people in Congress should be aware of what is going on in the White House and all the other governmental departments. This administration, to a greater extent, has made the founding fathers' idea of "checks and balances" a sham. I realize that there are various programs that should be kept "low key" for security's sake, however, spying on all Americans is not one of them! This is one of the first steps to tyranny. First, get everybody's weapon, (or at least know where they are), then find out what everyone is saying about everything, (to find out who disagrees with your policies), and then it's easier to "take over". Hell, this country has already been taken over by the "politically correct"!

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Jun 13, 2013 09:54:46   #
mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana
 
snowbear37 wrote:
My thoughts exactly! I just wonder how many more of these secret programs are going on, even as we speak. Our people in Congress should be aware of what is going on in the White House and all the other governmental departments.

What makes you think they do not know but are keeping their mouths shut because Obummer has found the skeletons in their closets.

snowbear37 wrote:
This administration, to a greater extent, has made the founding fathers' idea of "checks and balances" a sham.

I am with you there, snowbear.

snowbear37 wrote:
I realize that there are various programs that should be kept "low key" for security's sake, however, spying on all Americans is not one of them! This is one of the first steps to tyranny. First, get everybody's weapon, (or at least know where they are), then find out what everyone is saying about everything, (to find out who disagrees with your policies), and then it's easier to "take over".

What is scary is there are people who believe it is OK to spy on them because they are not doing anything wrong. Thus, the only people who really need to be worried are those doing wrong. That is the most dangerous attitude of all.

snowbear37 wrote:
Hell, this country has already been taken over by the "politically correct"!

Personally, I would rather be right than politically correct. Where in the Constitution does it say a person has the right to be free from being offended by what another person says or writes?

As an example, I do not believe b****s should be called African-Americans unless I can call myself a European-American. It pisses me off that I can be referred to by the 'color' of my skin, but it is improper to refer to others by the 'color' of their skin because they are not 'white'. I do not and will not use the term African-American.

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Jun 13, 2013 12:44:12   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
mmccarty12 wrote:
Personally, I would rather be right than politically correct. Where in the Constitution does it say a person has the right to be free from being offended by what another person says or writes?

As an example, I do not believe b****s should be called African-Americans unless I can call myself a European-American. It pisses me off that I can be referred to by the 'color' of my skin, but it is improper to refer to others by the 'color' of their skin because they are not 'white'. I do not and will not use the term African-American.
Personally, I would rather be right than political... (show quote)


I heartily agree. As you know there are "certain" words that are "allowed" to be spoken by "some" people but considered "h**e speech" when spoken by others (no matter whether these words are spoken in that context or not).

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Jun 13, 2013 13:11:43   #
mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana
 
snowbear37 wrote:
I heartily agree. As you know there are "certain" words that are "allowed" to be spoken by "some" people but considered "h**e speech" when spoken by others (no matter whether these words are spoken in that context or not).

Many, like myself, call that a double standard, but those who are 'offended' by those taboo, to them, terms consider that fair. Doesn't fair imply equitable, applying equally to all in all circumstances?

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Jun 13, 2013 13:36:16   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
OPP Newsletter wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/12/us-usa-security-poll-idUSBRE95B1AF20130612


I h**e to bring this discussion back to the original topic but feel someone needs to do it.

That article says that 21% of people think of Snowden as a t*****r and 31% of them see him as more heroic. The other 46% had no opinion, according to the link. I tell these numbers here so people who don't read links very often can know what the poster is talking about.

I wasn't one of those who was polled but you can add my name to the 31% who think of him as right.

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