In Christ, wh**ever is given is given not just freely but almost as a debt. If there is any sense of loss or pain in what we give, it is just vanity. We possess nothing. This totally goes against the worldly view of sacrifice. Wh**ever we give up by that standard has to hurt to wh**ever degree or it is not a sacrifice. Parents who forego wh**ever goodies so that their children may have a better education or other benefits surrendered nothing, if in Christ. No bravo is due them. Love does not keep records or balances. Joy at such apparent "losses" is the paradox of freedom in Christ.
rumitoid wrote:
In Christ, wh**ever is given is given not just freely but almost as a debt. If there is any sense of loss or pain in what we give, it is just vanity. We possess nothing. This totally goes against the worldly view of sacrifice. Wh**ever we give up by that standard has to hurt to wh**ever degree or it is not a sacrifice. Parents who forego wh**ever goodies so that their children may have a better education or other benefits surrendered nothing, if in Christ. No bravo is due them. Love does not keep records or balances. Joy at such apparent "losses" is the paradox of freedom in Christ.
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Who are you quoting here rummy?
Hemiman wrote:
Who are you quoting here rummy?
Hemimam, didn't this cat say about two weeks ago that moms and dads were heroes like our soldiers for providing food and shelter for their children? Now if they do it oh well no big sacrifice. Where did this fossil come from?
Hemiman wrote:
Who are you quoting here rummy?
Maybe the fine print on the backside of the gin bottle :thumbup:
Amen and a wonderful lesson.
rumitoid wrote:
In Christ, wh**ever is given is given not just freely but almost as a debt. If there is any sense of loss or pain in what we give, it is just vanity. We possess nothing. This totally goes against the worldly view of sacrifice. Wh**ever we give up by that standard has to hurt to wh**ever degree or it is not a sacrifice. Parents who forego wh**ever goodies so that their children may have a better education or other benefits surrendered nothing, if in Christ. No bravo is due them. Love does not keep records or balances. Joy at such apparent "losses" is the paradox of freedom in Christ.
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MajorAhrens wrote:
Hemimam, didn't this cat say about two weeks ago that moms and dads were heroes like our soldiers for providing food and shelter for their children? Now if they do it oh well no big sacrifice. Where did this fossil come from?
As you will note below, they are heroes but still works in progress.
Sacrifice is a curious thing and one that demands an understanding of process. I will start at the final stage: joy in and for all circumstances and conditions is our greatest sacrifice. This is what it means to lose your life to find it. Not a jot of yeast or a tittle of worldliness. Truly free in Christ, there is no pain or sense of loss in true sacrifice but only peace beyond all understanding.
Though it may seem just reasonable and wise to believe such a state is impossible, a severe case of naivete or pathological idealism, that is the end of the practice in making oneself a daily sacrifice. Sacrifice, in effect, ends.
I am not saying that such a state is perpetual but I am saying such a state is attainable. Worldliness gives sacrifice a needed pain and sense of loss or how could it be sacrifice. Even parents who love their children more than their very lives and would willingly die for them, give up things that hurt, do things that are difficult and a strain, toil under pressure and weight to provide everything for a safe and healthy existence with as much support and opportunities possible for their success. This is the grand view, not the humble one. However, such efforts appear necessary in the process and are not to be judged.
"Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness." Tao
"It ain't nothing if it ain't free, babe" Janis Joplin
"But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth" Matthew6:3
Sacrifice is a curious thing and one that demands an understanding of process. I will start at the final stage: joy in and for all circumstances and conditions is our greatest sacrifice. This is what it means to lose your life to find it. Not a jot of yeast or a tittle of worldliness. Truly free in Christ, there is no pain or sense of loss in true sacrifice but only peace beyond all understanding.
Though it may seem just reasonable and wise to believe such a state is impossible, a severe case of naivete or pathological idealism, that is the end of the practice in making oneself a daily sacrifice. Sacrifice, in effect, ends.
I am not saying that such a state is perpetual but I am saying such a state is attainable. Worldliness gives sacrifice a needed pain and sense of loss or how could it be sacrifice. Even parents who love their children more than their very lives and would willingly die for them, give up things that hurt, do things that are difficult and a strain, toil under pressure and weight to provide everything for a safe and healthy existence with as much support and opportunities possible for their success. This is the grand view, not the humble one. However, such efforts appear necessary in the process and are not to be judged.
"Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness." Tao
"It ain't nothing if it ain't free, babe" Janis Joplin
"But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth" Matthew6:3
rumitoid wrote:
In Christ, wh**ever is given is given not just freely but almost as a debt. If there is any sense of loss or pain in what we give, it is just vanity. We possess nothing. This totally goes against the worldly view of sacrifice. Wh**ever we give up by that standard has to hurt to wh**ever degree or it is not a sacrifice. Parents who forego wh**ever goodies so that their children may have a better education or other benefits surrendered nothing, if in Christ. No bravo is due them. Love does not keep records or balances. Joy at such apparent "losses" is the paradox of freedom in Christ.
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rumitoid wrote:
In Christ, wh**ever is given is given not just freely but almost as a debt. If there is any sense of loss or pain in what we give, it is just vanity. We possess nothing. This totally goes against the worldly view of sacrifice. Wh**ever we give up by that standard has to hurt to wh**ever degree or it is not a sacrifice. Parents who forego wh**ever goodies so that their children may have a better education or other benefits surrendered nothing, if in Christ. No bravo is due them. Love does not keep records or balances. Joy at such apparent "losses" is the paradox of freedom in Christ.
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Maybe you should sacrifice your hog, and give the money to some poor urchin who needs a new pair of Air Jordans, or pair of baggy britches.
archie bunker wrote:
Maybe you should sacrifice your hog, and give the money to some poor urchin who needs a new pair of Air Jordans, or pair of baggy britches.
Sacrifice is a curious thing and one that demands an understanding of process. I will start at the final stage: joy in and for all circumstances and conditions is our greatest sacrifice. This is what it means to lose your life to find it. Not a jot of yeast or a tittle of worldliness. Truly free in Christ, there is no pain or sense of loss in true sacrifice but only peace beyond all understanding.
Though it may seem just reasonable and wise to believe such a state is impossible, a severe case of naivete or pathological idealism, that is the end of the practice in making oneself a daily sacrifice. Sacrifice, in effect, ends.
I am not saying that such a state is perpetual but I am saying such a state is attainable. Worldliness gives sacrifice a needed pain and sense of loss or how could it be sacrifice. Even parents who love their children more than their very lives and would willingly die for them, give up things that hurt, do things that are difficult and a strain, toil under pressure and weight to provide everything for a safe and healthy existence with as much support and opportunities possible for their success. This is the grand view, not the humble one. However, such efforts appear necessary in the process and are not to be judged.
"Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness." Tao
"It ain't nothing if it ain't free, babe" Janis Joplin
"But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth" Matthew6:3
How many times are you going to repost this comment? I see it three times.....?????
rumitoid wrote:
Sacrifice is a curious thing and one that demands an understanding of process. I will start at the final stage: joy in and for all circumstances and conditions is our greatest sacrifice. This is what it means to lose your life to find it. Not a jot of yeast or a tittle of worldliness. Truly free in Christ, there is no pain or sense of loss in true sacrifice but only peace beyond all understanding.
Though it may seem just reasonable and wise to believe such a state is impossible, a severe case of naivete or pathological idealism, that is the end of the practice in making oneself a daily sacrifice. Sacrifice, in effect, ends.
I am not saying that such a state is perpetual but I am saying such a state is attainable. Worldliness gives sacrifice a needed pain and sense of loss or how could it be sacrifice. Even parents who love their children more than their very lives and would willingly die for them, give up things that hurt, do things that are difficult and a strain, toil under pressure and weight to provide everything for a safe and healthy existence with as much support and opportunities possible for their success. This is the grand view, not the humble one. However, such efforts appear necessary in the process and are not to be judged.
"Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness." Tao
"It ain't nothing if it ain't free, babe" Janis Joplin
"But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth" Matthew6:3
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Pennylynn wrote:
How many times are you going to repost this comment? I see it three times.....?????
Lol, til someone actually reads it and understands it.
This reminds me of my childhood, Momma would get frustrated with me and start repeating herself... louder and louder as if somehow by shouting I would understand her meaning better.
rumitoid wrote:
Lol, til someone actually reads it and understands it.
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