snowbear37 Loc: MA.

Interesting take considering the upcoming new "h**e-speech" laws concerning muslims.

http://clashdaily.com/2013/06/theres-no-other-way-to-say-it-islam-sks/

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

Notice how the guy holding the sign is too much of a coward to show his face.

seniorflyer Loc: Texas

"upcoming"? Do you know of any legislative body in the US that really believes "h**e speech laws" don't violate the First Amendment? Advocating violence is already a crime and the government has gone a long way towards limiting our freedom of association but the article referenced here has solid facts and reasons for their assertions.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

Islam is not a religion. It is an evil, murderous, cruel, and dictatorial form of government that calls itself a religion, This link gives the solution in the U.S., but it will never happen

http://pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com/2007/02/proposed-constitutional-amendment.html

zonkedout1 Loc: Wyoming

How do you know it's a guy?

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

I h**e to tell you this, but Islam IS a religion, not a form of government. A theocracy is a form of government that governs through the chosen religion.

Worshipers of Islam worship a supreme intelligence, they call it Allah.
Worshipers of Christianity worship a supreme intelligence, they call it God.
Where are Christians less evil than Muslims?

Worshipers of Christianity started the wars with worshipers of Islam;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
Worshipers of Christianity have gone to war against many who were not Christian. See above reference.
Worshipers of Islam have gone to war against many who were not Islamic.
Where are Christians less evil than Muslims?

During the American Revolution, which many websites purport Christianity as the dominant religion (see below), soldiers (from many different Christian sects) engaged in guerrilla style and terrorist tactics against the British.
Worshipers of Islam use guerrilla style and terrorist tactics in their Jihad.
Where are Christians less evil than Muslims?
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel03.html
http://www.nps.gov/revwar/about_the_revolution/religion.html
http://www.shmoop.com/american-revolution/religion.html
http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=1657&C=1651

Before you go all "you Islam supporter" on me, realize several things.
I do know that some worshipers of Islam engage in what I consider evil endeavors.
I feel that those members of Islam not speaking out against those engaging in these tactics are just as guilty as the perpetrators.
I know as well that Christianity has its fair share of evils in the past, as do many other religions.

I could go on and find other comparisons that show that Christianity is or has been as evil as you portray Islam to be, but my time is limited as I must work to pay for the Internet so I can correct people who make outrageous remarks. I consider what happened in the past, as well as what is going on currently, with both religions as relevant to this conversation. You WILL NOT get away with saying "Well, that happened long ago."

BTW, my stance on religion is that I am against all organized religion. I believe in a Supreme Intelligence. I do not believe I need to worship it. I do not believe I need others to help me understand my relationship with it. I do not need others to tell me what it wishes of me. If it wants me to do something according to its desires, it can tell me directly, in my face, without subtlety, indirect clues or any other such thing. Otherwise, I like to believe I choose my own path.

According to many religions, if you are not a worshiper of their religion you are going to their equivalent of Hell.

GUESS WHAT!

That means we are all going to Hell! See you there!!

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

Good point. But my assumption was based on the type of headgear that person was wearing. Women do not normally wear that style.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Might you have been a little heavy handed in your last three sentences? :|

Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts

mmccarty12 wrote:
Worshipers of Christianity started the wars with worshipers of Islam;...

Perhaps you should do some further research as to what lead to the crusades..... for example the prior 400 years of Muslims provoking the Christians .....

Just my two cents

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

I stand by what I wrote.
Your attempt to change the subject by a rant against Christianity does not change my opinion. And I will not try to defend Christianity. Even if I wanted to I would not because this thread is about the evils of Islam. If domeone started a thread on the evils of Christianity I might participate

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

By calling one major religion of the world, first, not a religion, and second, describing it as "... an evil, murderous, cruel, and dictatorial form of government that calls itself a religion, ..." (those were your words), without looking at, and comparing it to, the atrocities committed by the other major religions of the world, invalidates your argument in my opinion and led to my response.

As my response to which you were referring was not a rant against Christianity, but a limited comparison of both Islam and Christianity having warring characteristics and committing atrocities throughout the ages, you seem to have missed the purpose of my post.

The article's author, was positing his opinion on what Islam is. The author did not take into account other atrocities committed in the name of religion. He says, "[Islam is] (a)n ideology so insidious and vile – that at its very core – it demands the g*****l m********n of young girls and the use of young boys as “cum containers.”" http://clashdaily.com/2013/06/theres-no-other-way-to-say-it-islam-sks/

What about the m********ns and tortures of those considered heretics by the Christians during the Inquisition? Why is that no longer considered vile or considered? The m********ns and tortures were not g****r or age specific, if you were considered a heretic, you were made to confess your sins, in wh**ever way was necessary. Is it because what happened in the past is no longer or important?

Is every Joe you meet automatically considered an i***t by you because you know one Joe that IS an i***t? Not all Muslims are the evil your statements portray them to be and not all Christians are 'christianly'.

You can have your voice, and say what you like, but be prepared to be lambasted when you generalize.

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

The research I did do after you made your point shows me that neither side is innocent. Although the history of the regions is convoluted and sometimes contradictory depending on who wrote it, it seems that the Crusades began as an attempt to regain Jerusalem. And of course, the Righteous are always right.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

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I continue to stand by what I wrote in my original post despite your continued attempts to change the subject to the evils of Christianity.
I say again if domeone wants to start a thread about the evils of Christianity, I might participate.

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

Are you really as dense as you are showing me you are? I compared the two, calling out both equally and you still want to dismiss my post as an "attempt to change the subject to the evils of Christianity."

If you want to make a real dispute against my statements, you should have said I was trying to change the subject to villifying all religions, using those two as the main comparators.

By the way, my original response to your original post was to declare you incorrect in your premise that Islam is not a religion. But you still seem to believe that you are still correct without offering proof. From your statements, original and since, I have to believe you are incapable of arguing credibly and only capable of making blanket statements without providing support for your claims.

Keep drinking the Kool-aid and maybe some day Jim Jones will return and show you what is really in it.

Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts

mmccarty12 wrote: it seems that the Crusades began as an attempt to regain Jerusalem.


Again you conveniently left out WHO, they wanted to regain Jerusalem from.

p.s. your muslim colors are starting to show through, its ok if you are muslim. We are all free thinkers here, Im just saying IF you are you don't have to hide it here.

p.p.s. just a simple observation here....

not all Muslims are terrorists, but so far all terrorists have been muslim