The Left and Its Moral Paradox
Dec 12, 2014 12:14:25 #
If morals are relative to the Left (and they are, no question) then how can it believe itself to be the "party of moral superiority?"
I'll tell you how the Left resolves the issue. The only absolute moral people on the Left believe in is that the greater good trumps anything else. How easy this is to demagogue.
Thus the life of the individual no longer has meaning.
As I've said so often to BHO: Who died and made you the determinator of the greater good?
I'll tell you how the Left resolves the issue. The only absolute moral people on the Left believe in is that the greater good trumps anything else. How easy this is to demagogue.
Thus the life of the individual no longer has meaning.
As I've said so often to BHO: Who died and made you the determinator of the greater good?
Dec 12, 2014 12:21:01 #
no propaganda please
Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
If morals are relative to the Left (and they are, no question) then how can it believe itself to be the "party of moral superiority?"
I'll tell you how the Left resolves the issue. The only absolute moral people on the Left believe in is that the greater good trumps anything else. How easy this is to demagogue.
Thus the life of the individual no longer has meaning.
As I've said so often to BHO: Who died and made you the determinator of the greater good?
I'll tell you how the Left resolves the issue. The only absolute moral people on the Left believe in is that the greater good trumps anything else. How easy this is to demagogue.
Thus the life of the individual no longer has meaning.
As I've said so often to BHO: Who died and made you the determinator of the greater good?
Morals are relative to the left because they believe that what ever they wish to do, and where ever they wish to do it is right for them, and therefore right and honorable for all. The greater good is to be determined by a select few who wish the rest of the population to become their subjects. It is the basis of c*******m and therefore the moral code of ALL "PROGRESSIVES"
Dec 12, 2014 12:41:43 #
no propaganda please wrote:
Morals are relative to the left because they believe that what ever they wish to do, and where ever they wish to do it is right for them, and therefore right and honorable for all. The greater good is to be determined by a select few who wish the rest of the population to become their subjects. It is the basis of c*******m and therefore the moral code of ALL "PROGRESSIVES"
I was going to give the example of how the Mommy Liberal judges believe that if it's good for gays, it's good for EVERYONE! The photographer and the baker who were forced to participate in a couple's gay wedding is apparently for the greater good, if not for their own individual good.
Dec 12, 2014 13:12:38 #
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
If morals are relative to the Left (and they are, no question) then how can it believe itself to be the "party of moral superiority?"
I'll tell you how the Left resolves the issue. The only absolute moral people on the Left believe in is that the greater good trumps anything else. How easy this is to demagogue.
Thus the life of the individual no longer has meaning.
As I've said so often to BHO: Who died and made you the determinator of the greater good?
I'll tell you how the Left resolves the issue. The only absolute moral people on the Left believe in is that the greater good trumps anything else. How easy this is to demagogue.
Thus the life of the individual no longer has meaning.
As I've said so often to BHO: Who died and made you the determinator of the greater good?
Are you saying that the Left is:
Amoral, or...
Immoral?
Also, would you agree that the "greater good" is for all of us not to k**l one another, steal and honor and obey our parents..
Dec 12, 2014 13:21:54 #
Dummy Boy wrote:
Are you saying that the Left is:
Amoral, or...
Immoral?
Also, would you agree that the "greater good" is for all of us not to k**l one another, steal and honor and obey our parents..
Amoral, or...
Immoral?
Also, would you agree that the "greater good" is for all of us not to k**l one another, steal and honor and obey our parents..
Oh, Dummy Boy, I'll have to get back to you after lunch. I promise!
Because I feel your comment is deserving of thought.
Dec 12, 2014 13:23:44 #
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Oh, Dummy Boy, I'll have to get back to you after lunch. I promise!
Because I feel your comment is deserving of thought.
Because I feel your comment is deserving of thought.
Yes?
Dec 12, 2014 13:32:26 #
Dummy Boy wrote:
Are you saying that the Left is:
Amoral, or...
Immoral?
Also, would you agree that the "greater good" is for all of us not to k**l one another, steal and honor and obey our parents..
Amoral, or...
Immoral?
Also, would you agree that the "greater good" is for all of us not to k**l one another, steal and honor and obey our parents..
Since you insist, DB...
I cannot call them either amoral or immoral. They are not able to tell me what moral means to them. (And by the way, I looked this up once, and amoral is without morals, and immoral is knowing what's moral but eschewing it.)
I never use "greater good" in any context purporting to establish morality.
Dec 12, 2014 14:01:05 #
no propaganda please wrote:
Morals are relative to the left because they believe that what ever they wish to do, and where ever they wish to do it is right for them, and therefore right and honorable for all. The greater good is to be determined by a select few who wish the rest of the population to become their subjects. It is the basis of c*******m and therefore the moral code of ALL "PROGRESSIVES"
...let's try to do something with YOUR words:
Morals are relative to the church because what ever Christ wishes to do, and where ever the church wishes to do what is right for the church, is right and honorable for all. The greater good is to be determined by a select few (the pope?) who wishes the rest of the population to become their subjects. It is the basis of the church and therefore the moral code of ALL "CHRISTIANS"
Dec 12, 2014 14:19:47 #
Dummy Boy wrote:
...let's try to do something with YOUR words:
Morals are relative to the church because what ever Christ wishes to do, and where ever the church wishes to do what is right for the church, is right and honorable for all. The greater good is to be determined by a select few (the pope?) who wishes the rest of the population to become their subjects. It is the basis of the church and therefore the moral code of ALL "CHRISTIANS"
Morals are relative to the church because what ever Christ wishes to do, and where ever the church wishes to do what is right for the church, is right and honorable for all. The greater good is to be determined by a select few (the pope?) who wishes the rest of the population to become their subjects. It is the basis of the church and therefore the moral code of ALL "CHRISTIANS"
Wrong again. Churches and religions are cults, morality is based on the inherent good or evil of any particular action. While churches teach morality, they do not define it. And no, morality is not relative, situational or any other waffle term. Actions are either morally good, morally neutral, or morally evil.
Dec 12, 2014 14:29:16 #
pafret wrote:
Wrong again. Churches and religions are cults, morality is based on the inherent good or evil of any particular action. While churches teach morality, they do not define it. And no, morality is not relative, situational or any other waffle term. Actions are either morally good, morally neutral, or morally evil.
Apparently, you didn't read no propaganda please's message, I changed just one word to make a point....and yes, you are right, but some people don't see that and that was point to him.
Dec 12, 2014 14:49:51 #
pafret wrote:
Wrong again. Churches and religions are cults, morality is based on the inherent good or evil of any particular action. While churches teach morality, they do not define it. And no, morality is not relative, situational or any other waffle term. Actions are either morally good, morally neutral, or morally evil.
Are you saying, new guy, that morals only involve actions? I believe you are referring to ethics, when you mention actions. I'm not into philosophy too much, but that's what I've heard.
Dec 13, 2014 10:29:35 #
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Are you saying, new guy, that morals only involve actions? I believe you are referring to ethics, when you mention actions. I'm not into philosophy too much, but that's what I've heard.
Carol you are correct, my remarks were more geared to ethical behavior than morality. Ethical behavior proceeds from the tenets of morality. The point I was trying to make is that there is a universal morality, one that applies to all human beings, based on perception of the quality of actions, thoughts, behaviors. There is no moral code of behavior per se, behaviors are instead recognized by the majority of humans as being good or evil. The moral person generally accepts that it is better to suffer evil to be done to him than to do evil to others.
Dec 13, 2014 11:04:18 #
no propaganda please
Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
Dummy Boy wrote:
...let's try to do something with YOUR words:
Morals are relative to the church because what ever Christ wishes to do, and where ever the church wishes to do what is right for the church, is right and honorable for all. The greater good is to be determined by a select few (the pope?) who wishes the rest of the population to become their subjects. It is the basis of the church and therefore the moral code of ALL "CHRISTIANS"
Morals are relative to the church because what ever Christ wishes to do, and where ever the church wishes to do what is right for the church, is right and honorable for all. The greater good is to be determined by a select few (the pope?) who wishes the rest of the population to become their subjects. It is the basis of the church and therefore the moral code of ALL "CHRISTIANS"
The church, which ever one you are referring to, is not God, and often does not reflect or bear any resemblance to the Bible. For instance there is a denomination that was developed by Robert Goss called the Metropolitan Community Church. One of the premises of the church is that Jesus is homosexual and had sex with many of his followers. He claimed that Catholic boys often want to have sex with Jesus Christ as He appears on the cross. He wrote a book called Q***ring Christ. Of course that misrepresents the Bible so a religious group does not necessarily represent God. And that includes the Catholic Church.
Dec 13, 2014 11:19:06 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
If morals are relative to the Left (and they are, no question) then how can it believe itself to be the "party of moral superiority?"
I'll tell you how the Left resolves the issue. The only absolute moral people on the Left believe in is that the greater good trumps anything else. How easy this is to demagogue.
Thus the life of the individual no longer has meaning.
As I've said so often to BHO: Who died and made you the determinator of the greater good?
I'll tell you how the Left resolves the issue. The only absolute moral people on the Left believe in is that the greater good trumps anything else. How easy this is to demagogue.
Thus the life of the individual no longer has meaning.
As I've said so often to BHO: Who died and made you the determinator of the greater good?
Given the differing philosophies of the left and the right, and, given the current state of the US, what would the right want to do to rectify the sate of the country?
Dec 13, 2014 12:16:10 #
pafret wrote:
Carol you are correct, my remarks were more geared... (show quote)
1. (And most important): So when you believe, pafret, that the moral person generally accepts that it is better to suffer evil to be done to him than to do evil to others, are you saying in effect that others have more of a right to life and to live than you yourself?
2. Then, what the majority of humans believe to be moral is actually what is moral?
Sorta like what Lily Tomlin said about reality: Reality is what 95% of people believe it is?
Reminds of the world famous ethologist (and atheist), R Dawkins, who with others studied primitive peoples in order to discover common threads of morality in human behaviour. (Apparently, they have trouble with morality and ethics)
But then Dawkins decided a populace learns its moral zeitgeist in the public houses of England. I guess he gave up on moralizing, per se.
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