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Mar 18, 2023 20:51:04   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
There were some nice suggestions in there. But what I believe is the first step, that should have started yesterday, is to analyze all of the valid points. It starts with ways to increase inflow on one end and decrease its out flow on the other end. Every idea is valid to a point, but we must recognize every idea as valid. Everyone must give a little to make the whole safe and valid into the future. Once we recognize that first point, then we start negotiating on amounts and ages and how much. But we have to start out with everyone gives a little, starting now.
There were some nice suggestions in there. But wha... (show quote)


Logicallyright, you are not being logical. You state: "Every idea is valid to a point, but we must recognize every idea as valid."

Why?

If we are a free nation with free men, we must build and create new wealth, not like socialists redistributing the wealth over a mountain of corpses and "increas[ing] the flow on one end and decrease the flow on the other."

There is a marked difference between capitalists (creators) and socialists (redistributors). The socialists have a track record of starving to death.

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Mar 18, 2023 20:55:32   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
ACP45 wrote:
This is certainly a major problem, with no easy answers. Most people will close their eyes and deal with things that they can actually control in their lives. Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best sounds about right to me.


ACP45, there is an easy answer - GROWTH in our economy to pay down our debt. Trump's energy independence is our best bet.

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Mar 18, 2023 21:05:07   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Suggestions to keep SS and Medicare systems going:
1. Increase retirement age. Most people live longer.
2. Increase SS and Medicare premium.
3. Keep inflation low.
4. Continue supporting strong economic growth on Capitalism and production. The engine of economic growth.

In 2021 until at present, some of the biggest problems that happened in Social Security and Medicare systems are these:
1. For 2021, Biden expended $6.8 trillion.

How some of that were expended.
The official source of government spending data
$476.26 Billion. on Medicare.
$474.29 Billion. on Social Security.
$268.30 Billion. on Net Interest.
Total $1.21925 trillion. This is just 3 programs, but there are tons of them not disclosed.

Why was the SS and Medicare from 2021 to 2022 almost doubled?
The increase is driven by a variety of factors, including Social Security's new cost-of-living adjustment, the rising cost of medical services under Medicare and increase of participation rates in both programs, as the last of the baby boomers become eligible for retirement benefits.

In FY 2022 total US government spending on welfare — federal, state, and local — was “guesstimated” to be $1,681 billion, including $864 billion for Medicaid, and $817 billion in other welfare.

Why did cost on Social Security and Medicare almost doubled from 2021 to 2022?
1. The Financial Aid of Biden, and C***d justification to stay home, did not incentivize people of going back to work. Thus, more consumers, but fewer workers contributed to SS and Medicare.

2. The high inflation of the Biden administration cost more medical hospitalization, treatment, and medical care.
3. Increase of retirees that increase cost for SS and Medicare pension.
4. Raising of Social Security benefits to assist higher inflation costs.

Please note: I assume 2023 will even double the 2022. Due to increase of SS benefits to retirees, by 8.7% to fight inflation costs of Joe Biden.

Summing all the negatives all these costs reflect to the stupid economic policies of Joe Bodin, and his handlers.

Our SS and Medicare is bankrupt. SS will last 2035, Medicare by 2027. Unless solutions are provided. It could be painful solution. But must be done to save these 2 programs.

By the time a GOP administration, takes over, this country is totally bankrupt that the new administration will have very difficult time to handle the financial affairs of our country.

All because of Joe Biden's stupid brain, with heart and morals down to the toilet hole. CRT, WOKE, L**T's, A******ns, highest violence, crimes, money to Zelensky's war. Feeding and housing the 10 million newly arrived illegal invaders. Millions die due to f******l. More feed to handouts. And they all love Joe Biden.

For 2024, Biden has another budget of $6.9 trillion, as he raises taxes to gather $4.7 trillion. We the taxpayers are like Beast of Burden to earn for these CROOKS!

Some of the $6.8 trillion could be used buying the 2024 v**es to continue his power. E.g. paying the 43 million Students loan of $1.67 trillion.

Pay more handouts:
Provide citizenship to 11 million i******s to allow them to v**e in 2024 for 43 million plus 11 million, and added by f********t e******n, Biden's victory is already in the basket.
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Radiance3, your four-point suggestions are intriguing. But only #4 appeals to me:
"Continue supporting strong economic growth on Capitalism and production. The engine of economic growth."

There is probably more oil, gas, and non-radio-active thorium nuclear energy available to the United States than the rest of the world combined.

Water in the form of ring-woodite mining will be the next challenge. This requires new technology on how to tap the resources in the mantle below. Socialist nations do not respect their people as a source of innovation.

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Mar 18, 2023 21:07:47   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
pegw wrote:
You should lay off the KoollAide.


I love American junk food and ruthless men like Trump.

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Mar 18, 2023 21:20:50   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
JFlorio wrote:
How do you feel about your boy Joe bailing out all those rich a-holes from the bank that failed?


Every bank CEO that has recently accepted BITCOIN and other f**e crypto "currency" deposits - the racket for money laundering dope through our US Treasury, needs to be indicted and convicted of bank fraud and Trading With the Enemy.

This fraud needs to be nipped in the bud, or the entire world economy is going down. The Federal Reserve FDIC cannot bail out the world, but we do have an obligation to Israel, heavy tech investors of the 1970s who trusted us long before the crooks of the Democrat Party and BIDCOIN infiltrated out banking system.

Just for that alone, Biden is guilty of treason.

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Mar 18, 2023 21:58:17   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Logicallyright, you are not being logical. You state: "Every idea is valid to a point, but we must recognize every idea as valid."

Why?

If we are a free nation with free men, we must build and create new wealth, not like socialists redistributing the wealth over a mountain of corpses and "increas[ing] the flow on one end and decrease the flow on the other."

There is a marked difference between capitalists (creators) and socialists (redistributors). The socialists have a track record of starving to death.
Logicallyright, you are not being logical. You sta... (show quote)


I think you are just misinterpreting what I said, or maybe what I said was confusing. I agree with your statements. I was commenting on the various ways people have put forth to save Social Security. Increase the tax, increase to top cut off level, and such on one side, while raising the age of retirement on another side. Many other ideas floating around. Most of the various ideas need to be implemented to some level. No one view gets automatically cut or guaranteed. We institute them all, and determine through real negotiations. An example. Maybe we need to raise the age of retirement. We already have. Maybe it need to go higher. Is that two years starting next year,. Hell no. But maybe a month every two years for twenty-four years. So in 24 years. the minimum age would go from 62 to 64. We do the same with the upper limit on paying into SS. I have no idea what that is because I'm collecting it and no longer paying into it. So, let's say it is $150,000 pay. After that, no more deductions. Maybe that should be rained to say, $200,000. You don't do it right away, but over 20 years or so. Every year a bit higher.

The point is, these ideas have been floated before. We consider them all, what benefits every little bit helps from each idea, and at what rate we should change them, and how fair this is to the people putting into it, and taking out of it. The Republican get a little and the Democrats get a little. But if one side dies it alone, they would totally be demonized for every little change. It must be a joint effort.

***"increas[ing] the flow on one end and decrease the flow on the other."
>>>What I was trying to say is that the money coming in has to increase and the money going out has to decrease so that the money in the pot increases and the fund becomes more viable long term.

I agree we need to create wealth as free men in a capitalistic society. And we also need to quit trying to save the world and start saving America or we won't be able to save it.

I hope I have made myself more clear.

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Mar 18, 2023 22:56:03   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
I think you are just misinterpreting what I said, or maybe what I said was confusing. I agree with your statements. I was commenting on the various ways people have put forth to save Social Security. Increase the tax, increase to top cut off level, and such on one side, while raising the age of retirement on another side. Many other ideas floating around. Most of the various ideas need to be implemented to some level. No one view gets automatically cut or guaranteed. We institute them all, and determine through real negotiations. An example. Maybe we need to raise the age of retirement. We already have. Maybe it need to go higher. Is that two years starting next year,. Hell no. But maybe a month every two years for twenty-four years. So in 24 years. the minimum age would go from 62 to 64. We do the same with the upper limit on paying into SS. I have no idea what that is because I'm collecting it and no longer paying into it. So, let's say it is $150,000 pay. After that, no more deductions. Maybe that should be rained to say, $200,000. You don't do it right away, but over 20 years or so. Every year a bit higher.

The point is, these ideas have been floated before. We consider them all, what benefits every little bit helps from each idea, and at what rate we should change them, and how fair this is to the people putting into it, and taking out of it. The Republican get a little and the Democrats get a little. But if one side dies it alone, they would totally be demonized for every little change. It must be a joint effort.

***"increas[ing] the flow on one end and decrease the flow on the other."
>>>What I was trying to say is that the money coming in has to increase and the money going out has to decrease so that the money in the pot increases and the fund becomes more viable long term.

I agree we need to create wealth as free men in a capitalistic society. And we also need to quit trying to save the world and start saving America or we won't be able to save it.

I hope I have made myself more clear.
I think you are just misinterpreting what I said, ... (show quote)


Yes, you have made yourself clear. OK. But I disagree.

You wrote: "The Republicans get a little and the Democrats get a little. But if one side does it alone, they would totally be demonized for every little change. It must be a joint effort."

I disagree. Saving the Entitlements must be done alone by the Republicans who are looking out for everyone's prosperity, current and future.

And, we can only do this right by creating GROWTH in our economy.

The Democrats since the Civil War, have tried to segregate our minorities economically, and force them into self destruction, making certain they go out of existence, leaving nothing in their legacy, nothing to save, nothing to invest, nothing to pass down through their generations. If their life is to be endured, it must be on the government plantation with no way to get off.

The Democrat Socialists are hung up on an obsolete theory of Darwinism and random mutations and regulating the gene pool. Darwin's assumption from the get-go is that evolution mutations are "random" without factoring in the mammalian se******n of a mate and LOVE as a power of se******n and enrichment. This book below, see the lengthy index to this college standard text:

PRINCIPLES OF POPULATION GENETICS
https://www.sinauer.com/media/wysiwyg/tocs/PrinciplesPopulationGenetics.pdf
UniversitSts- und Landesbibliothek
Darmstadt
Bibliothek Biologie
FOURTH EDITION

Daniel L. Hartl
Harvard University
Andrew G. Clark
Cornell University

Sinauer Associates, Inc. Publishers
Sunderland, Massachusetts

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Mar 19, 2023 02:48:54   #
okie don
 
Just k**l off the older people with a p*******c v***s.
( Not p******c, P*******c)

Mandate they get a v*****e "jab" and if they get sick be sure they get a ventilator and no ivermectin. Rendesavier(sp) only.
1000's died in NY 👍

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Mar 19, 2023 03:26:39   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
pegw wrote:
You should lay off the KoollAide.


You should stop sniffing glue.

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Mar 19, 2023 06:09:08   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
ACP45, there is an easy answer - GROWTH in our economy to pay down our debt. Trump's energy independence is our best bet.


CR. I certainly get your point about growth. But, I also believe that how money is budgeted and spent, is often more important than how much is earned. Think about how many sports stars, lottery winners, and other notable people that had earned/won huge amounts, and wound up without any savings, dead broke, or declaring bankruptcy. Their ability to mismanage money, exceeded their ability to generate it. That's our Federal Government, and our elected politicians, who only think about the next e******n cycle, and are never interested in solving the difficult long term problem of SS and Medicare. It is politically inexpedient for them, so they say nice things to the public, and propose solutions that will never address the core fundamental problems of these programs. Just look at the growth of our National Debt and tell me again how we will grow out of debt.

Our country and it's elected leaders, have squandered trillions on foreign wars, regime change, and general financial mismanagement. It has, since it's inception, sought more and more power and control at the expense of the public.



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Mar 19, 2023 06:17:20   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Every bank CEO that has recently accepted BITCOIN and other f**e crypto "currency" deposits - the racket for money laundering dope through our US Treasury, needs to be indicted and convicted of bank fraud and Trading With the Enemy.

This fraud needs to be nipped in the bud, or the entire world economy is going down. The Federal Reserve FDIC cannot bail out the world, but we do have an obligation to Israel, heavy tech investors of the 1970s who trusted us long before the crooks of the Democrat Party and BIDCOIN infiltrated out banking system.

Just for that alone, Biden is guilty of treason.
Every bank CEO that has recently accepted BITCOIN ... (show quote)


You may want to watch the 2:18 video on "FEDNOW", the new CBDC being rolled out starting this July! Far from indicting bank CEO's, the Fed has embraced this technology, and is racing forward with the ultimate means of financial control over the population.

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Mar 19, 2023 10:25:43   #
pegw
 
I was watching "Beau of the 5th Column" last night. If you take Social Security, Medicare and the defense budget off the table, and you want a balanced budget by 2030, You will have to cut all federal programs by 85%. This would include border security, National Parks, the CDC, etc. I am all for having a balanced budget. These statistics prove that the Republicans can't do this by just cutting the budgets of federal agencies. A rational person would raise taxes of the rich to were they were in the 1950"s, 1960's or 1970's

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Mar 19, 2023 10:36:33   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
A rational person would realize they have no idea what they’re talking about. You could never raise taxes high enough to solve the problem. A raise that much crushes the economy which eventually leads to layoffs; thus increasing the problem. You dumb progressives think the only way to solve a problem is to confiscate someone else’s money.
Running a deficit is no big deal. It’s the percentage of debt to GDP that is important.

pegw wrote:
I was watching "Beau of the 5th Column" last night. If you take Social Security, Medicare and the defense budget off the table, and you want a balanced budget by 2030, You will have to cut all federal programs by 85%. This would include border security, National Parks, the CDC, etc. I am all for having a balanced budget. These statistics prove that the Republicans can't do this by just cutting the budgets of federal agencies. A rational person would raise taxes of the rich to were they were in the 1950"s, 1960's or 1970's
I was watching "Beau of the 5th Column" ... (show quote)

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Mar 19, 2023 11:28:44   #
Radiance3
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Radiance3, your four-point suggestions are intriguing. But only #4 appeals to me:
"Continue supporting strong economic growth on Capitalism and production. The engine of economic growth."

There is probably more oil, gas, and non-radio-active thorium nuclear energy available to the United States than the rest of the world combined.

Water in the form of ring-woodite mining will be the next challenge. This requires new technology on how to tap the resources in the mantle below. Socialist nations do not respect their people as a source of innovation.
Radiance3, your four-point suggestions are intrigu... (show quote)

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Great analogy. Fact is that is the best solution. Knowledge, innovations, productions, and hard work. These are the engines of economic growth. Where do all these come from? From hardworking brilliant people with brains that never cease to create and produce.

That is why freedom and capitalism is most important in this Constitutional-Republic. We excelled for more than 246 years.

Although at present we are led by Socialist-Marxist system that wants to destroy Capitalism and replace with Socialist-Marxist government for power and control. What was done and created by the Founding principles has been destroyed. The people are indoctrinated to be dumb using CRT, WOKE, remove God for equity. Instead of earning, they destroy those smart ones and take away from them what they've earned and developed.

We are losing this country fast . We must fight hard to take it back, put God to lead us.

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Mar 19, 2023 13:10:36   #
older and wiser
 
pegw wrote:
Looks like you have drunk the Republican koolAide. We have avreally good plan to save Social Security and Medicare proposed by Biden. We have a lower birth rate, do there will not be more people colecting Social Security and Medicare in the future. Not a Ponzi Scheme.


If Biden’s fingers are on it there is a 110% chance of failure! History does repeat itself! Remember your other hero Obama who correctly said never underestimate Biden’s ability to screw things up!

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