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Feb 2, 2023 10:26:28   #
Radiance3
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Myanmar isn't a part of China...
It used to be a part of India..Under the British..


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Where ever Myanmar is. Where is Myanmar by the way? Geography of Asia, I almost forgot, except RP that has more than 7,100 islands. And there are more when low tide. And the Spratlys stolen by China.

I was talking of Buddhist, wherever they live. Whoever treats other religion badly, I don't like that, I like all of them to treat each other with respect. Their rights to live, even if they are not Christians. They are all human life. And God created life. Though they don't recognize that because they are not Christians.

All life has the right to live. All those created by God in this world, we treat them rightly so, great abd small. Even those that God gave us for food to it.

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Feb 2, 2023 12:30:25   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Very simple..

Why don't you answer the question. That's right... you're waiting for someone else to answer it to which you can reply, "Well said."

What a weenie!

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Feb 2, 2023 14:43:55   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Ricktloml wrote:
All anyone really needs to do is read His Word...follow His instructions. Worshipping false gods/prophets/(idol worship) is not pleasing to the Lord. Leading His children astray with false teachings doesn't make our Heavenly Father all that happy either. Reading His Word lets you know what God does to those he is unhappy with.

I have another comment on your well meaning, t***h containing post, Rick.

God's word itself does confirm it's sufficiency to fulfill it's intended purpose: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work." 2nd Timothy (3:16-17).

We are also instructed to be ready to defend God's word:

"Beloved, although I made every effort to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt it necessary to write and urge you to contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed - ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ (Jude 1:3-4).

3rd, we are told other workers are joined into our labor, we are not toiling away in solitary:

The Disciples Return and Marvel - John 4:37-39:
"For in this case the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true.
I sent you to reap what you have not worked for; others have done the hard work, and now you have taken up their labor.”
Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in Jesus because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.”

This is applicable to the following lifetimes of work:

The first concordance was undertaken under the direction of Hugh of Saint-Cher and completed in the early 13th century. Hugh was a member of the catholic Dominican Order, whose founding goals were to preach the gospel and fight heresy. This order was known for its intellectualism; the influential St. Thomas Aquinas was a member of it.

The Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, generally known as Strong's Concordance, is a Bible concordance, an index of every word in the King James Version, constructed under the direction of James Strong. Strong first published his Concordance in 1890, while professor of exegetical theology at Drew Theological Seminary.

Each original-language word is given an entry number in the dictionary of those original language words listed in the back of the concordance. These have become known as the "Strong's numbers". The main concordance lists each word that appears in the KJV Bible in alphabetical order with each verse in which it appears listed in order of its appearance in the Bible, with a snippet of the surrounding text (including the word in italics). Appearing to the right of the scripture reference is the Strong's number. This allows the user of the concordance to look up the meaning of the original language word in the associated dictionary in the back, thereby showing how the original language word was t***slated into the English word in the KJV Bible.

Another readily available source of information: Multi-Source Bible Dictionaries: Easton's, Smith's, Webster's.

Over 4,500 subjects and proper names are defined and analyzed with corresponding Scripture references. "Smith's Bible Dictionary" has been used by students of the Bible since its introduction in the 1860's. A trustworthy classic that is more than just a dictionary defining thousands of Biblical words.

As part of the Bible Study Tools Study Library, Smith's Bible Dictionary is linked to Torrey's New Topical Textbook, Baker's Evangelical Dictionary, Easton's Bible Dictionary, Hitchcock's Bible Names, and Nave's Topical Bible. Anytime a reference can be found in any of the other online tools a hyperlinked symbol will be placed next to the reference, allowing you to immediately jump to that resource and expand your study capabilities.

A Biblical lexicon is a reference tool that provides meanings, semantic ranges, and significant uses of Biblical words in their original language. This data is organized according to an inventory of lexemes (i.e., a meaningful linguistic unit). Lexicons are particularly helpful in word studies.

My point is that, yes, the Bible is sufficient, but because these godly men went before us performing thousands of hours perfecting these Bible helps, we do not have to spend half a lifetime developing our own Bible Concordance, Dictionary or Lexicon, but can contend for our faith as a more worthy vessel to serve the Lord.

"Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles the word of t***h" (2nd Timothy" 2:15).

"For here the saying holds true, ‘One sows and another reaps.'
I sent you to reap that for which you did not labor.
Others have labored, and you have entered into their labor.'”
(John 4:37-38)

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Feb 2, 2023 15:08:38   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Not full faith.. As you are well aware that numerous part a of the Bible have been proven false or rejected by various denominations...


What various denominations do often has very little or nothing at all to do with the t***h of God's Word.

Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away" (Matthew 24:35.)

The original inspired text is no longer extant. It is up to each of us to determine which t***slators, editors and publishers we trust, and pray for God's assistance in guiding us to trustworthy Bible versions. Every Christian is given spiritual discernment, as we pray, study and lean on the understanding of the Holy Spirit.

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Feb 2, 2023 15:12:17   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Zemirah wrote:
What various denominations do often has very little or nothing at all to do with the t***h of God's Word.

Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away" (Matthew 24:35.)

The original inspired text is no longer extant. It is up to each of us to determine which t***slators, editors and publishers we trust, and pray for God's assistance in guiding us to trustworthy Bible versions. Every Christian is given spiritual discernment, as we pray, study and lean on the understanding of the Holy Spirit.
What various denominations do often has very littl... (show quote)



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Feb 2, 2023 17:40:50   #
Ricktloml
 
Zemirah wrote:
I have another comment on your well meaning, t***h containing post, Rick.

God's word itself does confirm it's sufficiency to fulfill it's intended purpose: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work." 2nd Timothy (3:16-17).

We are also instructed to be ready to defend God's word:

"Beloved, although I made every effort to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt it necessary to write and urge you to contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed - ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ (Jude 1:3-4).

3rd, we are told other workers are joined into our labor, we are not toiling away in solitary:

The Disciples Return and Marvel - John 4:37-39:
"For in this case the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true.
I sent you to reap what you have not worked for; others have done the hard work, and now you have taken up their labor.”
Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in Jesus because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.”

This is applicable to the following lifetimes of work:

The first concordance was undertaken under the direction of Hugh of Saint-Cher and completed in the early 13th century. Hugh was a member of the catholic Dominican Order, whose founding goals were to preach the gospel and fight heresy. This order was known for its intellectualism; the influential St. Thomas Aquinas was a member of it.

The Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, generally known as Strong's Concordance, is a Bible concordance, an index of every word in the King James Version, constructed under the direction of James Strong. Strong first published his Concordance in 1890, while professor of exegetical theology at Drew Theological Seminary.

Each original-language word is given an entry number in the dictionary of those original language words listed in the back of the concordance. These have become known as the "Strong's numbers". The main concordance lists each word that appears in the KJV Bible in alphabetical order with each verse in which it appears listed in order of its appearance in the Bible, with a snippet of the surrounding text (including the word in italics). Appearing to the right of the scripture reference is the Strong's number. This allows the user of the concordance to look up the meaning of the original language word in the associated dictionary in the back, thereby showing how the original language word was t***slated into the English word in the KJV Bible.

Another readily available source of information: Multi-Source Bible Dictionaries: Easton's, Smith's, Webster's.

Over 4,500 subjects and proper names are defined and analyzed with corresponding Scripture references. "Smith's Bible Dictionary" has been used by students of the Bible since its introduction in the 1860's. A trustworthy classic that is more than just a dictionary defining thousands of Biblical words.

As part of the Bible Study Tools Study Library, Smith's Bible Dictionary is linked to Torrey's New Topical Textbook, Baker's Evangelical Dictionary, Easton's Bible Dictionary, Hitchcock's Bible Names, and Nave's Topical Bible. Anytime a reference can be found in any of the other online tools a hyperlinked symbol will be placed next to the reference, allowing you to immediately jump to that resource and expand your study capabilities.

A Biblical lexicon is a reference tool that provides meanings, semantic ranges, and significant uses of Biblical words in their original language. This data is organized according to an inventory of lexemes (i.e., a meaningful linguistic unit). Lexicons are particularly helpful in word studies.

My point is that, yes, the Bible is sufficient, but because these godly men went before us performing thousands of hours perfecting these Bible helps, we do not have to spend half a lifetime developing our own Bible Concordance, Dictionary or Lexicon, but can contend for our faith as a more worthy vessel to serve the Lord.

"Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles the word of t***h" (2nd Timothy" 2:15).

"For here the saying holds true, ‘One sows and another reaps.'
I sent you to reap that for which you did not labor.
Others have labored, and you have entered into their labor.'”
(John 4:37-38)
I have another comment on your well meaning, t***h... (show quote)




I have always believed that God's word was simple...He wants us to understand His wishes. It isn't easy though...standing up for the Word of God can be unpleasant/even dangerous sometimes. So, it's simple to figure out what God wants...it's sometimes very hard to DO what God wants. It's why Jesus told us...they will h**e you, because they h**ed me...He was right---of course

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Feb 2, 2023 18:09:03   #
son of witless
 
Ricktloml wrote:
I have always believed that God's word was simple...He wants us to understand His wishes. It isn't easy though...standing up for the Word of God can be unpleasant/even dangerous sometimes. So, it's simple to figure out what God wants...it's sometimes very hard to DO what God wants. It's why Jesus told us...they will h**e you, because they h**ed me...He was right---of course


He figured the liberals on OPP pretty close.

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Feb 3, 2023 01:59:24   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Where ever Myanmar is. Where is Myanmar by the way? Geography of Asia, I almost forgot, except RP that has more than 7,100 islands. And there are more when low tide. And the Spratlys stolen by China.

I was talking of Buddhist, wherever they live. Whoever treats other religion badly, I don't like that, I like all of them to treat each other with respect. Their rights to live, even if they are not Christians. They are all human life. And God created life. Though they don't recognize that because they are not Christians.

All life has the right to live. All those created by God in this world, we treat them rightly so, great abd small. Even those that God gave us for food to it.
================ br i Where ever Myanmar is. Wh... (show quote)


Myanmar used to be called Burma...
it's to the East of India...
I agree... We should all treat each other with more compassion and respect...

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Feb 3, 2023 02:00:00   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
What various denominations do often has very little or nothing at all to do with the t***h of God's Word.

Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away" (Matthew 24:35.)

The original inspired text is no longer extant. It is up to each of us to determine which t***slators, editors and publishers we trust, and pray for God's assistance in guiding us to trustworthy Bible versions. Every Christian is given spiritual discernment, as we pray, study and lean on the understanding of the Holy Spirit.
What various denominations do often has very littl... (show quote)


Well said...

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Feb 3, 2023 02:54:23   #
Radiance3
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Myanmar used to be called Burma...
it's to the East of India...
I agree... We should all treat each other with more compassion and respect...


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Okay, now I remember Burma. When I was in 4th grade, we had this world geography, and the continents of the world. You know what I enjoyed most? Math. We were in grade 4, a Catholic School, given 100 items of math problems for 5 minutes to complete. Additions, subtraction, multiplication, and division. And these consist of whole numbers, fractions, and those in decimals., mixed numbers with whole and fractions combined must be solved in 5 minutes for 100 items. That was fun. Boys were separated from girls.

But now is different. Boys and girls have the same bathroom. Yak!! And they have CRT for dummies to catch up. They slow down the smart kids. They have now the opposite of the past where I learned.

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Feb 3, 2023 04:18:43   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Okay, now I remember Burma. When I was in 4th grade, we had this world geography, and the continents of the world. You know what I enjoyed most? Math. We were in grade 4, a Catholic School, given 100 items of math problems for 5 minutes to complete. Additions, subtraction, multiplication, and division. And these consist of whole numbers, fractions, and those in decimals., mixed numbers with whole and fractions combined must be solved in 5 minutes for 100 items. That was fun. Boys were separated from girls.

But now is different. Boys and girls have the same bathroom. Yak!! And they have CRT for dummies to catch up. They slow down the smart kids. They have now the opposite of the past where I learned.
================= br i Okay, now I remember Burm... (show quote)


I loved math too...
Although I didn't become an accountant
I h**ed the slow classes...

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Feb 3, 2023 09:12:06   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Zemirah wrote:
The Qur'an lies. Muhammad lied.


Islam is the "world's largest and most violent organization of Piracy" and is "rotten to the core."

Quoting the Qur'an and other Islamic texts leads one to this conclusion: "Islam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist."

The goal is to educate people about the root causes of terrorism and the inherent dangers of Islam in the same way that early t***slators of Mein Kampf tried to warn an unsuspecting world of Hitler's intentions. If we don’t shed our ignorance of Islam, many more will perish. Admittedly, prior to the attacks of September 11, 2001, few knew much about Islam. The tragic events of that day led to investigating why Muslims were so intent on k*****g Infidels, Americans in particular.

Muhammad's faulty knowledge of Judaism and Christianity, and his illiteracy, his inability to read either Jewish or Christian scriptures for himself, has influenced Islamic theology - and colored Muslim relations with Jews and Christians to this day. Recognizing the true nature of Islam is essential for prudence in dealing with Islamic nations, communities, families and individuals.

The ability to unflinchingly face the hard facts about Muhammad's life that continue to affect our world today is vital, from Muhammad's first "revelation" from Allah (which filled him with terror that he was demon possessed) to his deathbed (from which he called down curses upon Jews and Christians.

Muhammad set legal standards that make it virtually impossible to this day to prove rape in Islamic countries, and he justified jihad and terrorism. From his development as a preacher of hellfire and damnation against the polygamy of his own Quaraysh tribe, into a political and military leader who expanded his rule by force of arms, by promising his warriors luridly physical delights in Paradise if they were k**led in his cause, and surviving financially as a thief, by raiding commercial caravans and Jewish tribes who refused to accept him as a prophet of God, - Muhammad was his own god.

The Qur'an's merciless teaching on warfare against unbelievers developed - with constant war, to establish the hegemony of Islamic law as the last stage, forbidding any non-believers (dhimmis) to live in Arabia.

Muhammad's convenient "revelations" from Allah, justified his own licentiousness - other Muslims were allowed 4 wives, while he, as Allah's prophet, was allowed an unlimited number of wives, including a six year old. His joy in the brutal murders of his enemies was demonic, rather than godly; as above all, was his clear marching orders to his followers to convert all conquered non-Muslims to Islam - or force them to live as inferiors (dhimmis) under Islamic rule (if they accepted living as inferiors and paid the jizya tax within conquered countries). For instance, all dmimmis must step off the sidewalk if a Muslim approached them, and were not allowed to look a Muslim in the eyes, but must lower their head, in all encounters. If they refused living in this manner, they were to be slaughtered.

Thus saith Allah, according to Muhammad, in the evil Qur'an.

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Feb 3, 2023 09:27:07   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Weird .. I can't find the part about loving death anywhere in the Koran...

Are you suggesting that what a follower says should somehow be interpreted as being scripture????

Today, western civilization is being sacrificed on the altar of m**************m and PC virtue signaling.

William Ewart Gladstone (1809–1898) was Prime Minister of Great Britain four times: 1868–74, 1880–85, 1886 and 1892–94. He called the Qur’an an “accursed book” and once held it up during a session of Parliament, declaring: “So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world.”

The text of the Qur’an has not changed from the late 19th century to the early 21st. What has changed is the prevailing attitude toward the book. Now it has become a manifestation of bigotry and hatred to see in the Islamic holy book anything but peace and tolerance. But the text of the book remains the same. If it was an impediment to peace in Gladstone’s day, it is now. If it is an uplifting exhortation to peace and tolerance now, then it was in Gladstone’s day as well.

A modern politician who expresses Gladstone’s view is banned and suppressed by PC:

[In 2009] Geert Wilders said: “I view Islam not as a religion, but as a dangerous, totalitarian ideology – equal to c*******m and f*****m. Aren’t I allowed to say so?”

No, he isn’t allowed to say so. If he had been born two hundred years ago, he might have become Prime Minister of the Netherlands. Instead, he is a hunted man. Likewise Gladstone, were he miraculously t***sported to the House of Commons in 2023, would be excoriated for “h**e speech” if he dared to repeat his view of the Qur’an today.

Winston Churchill, in his book “The River War: An Historical Account of the Reconquest of the Soudan” from 1899, from when he was a British Army officer, during the Mahdist War (1881–99) in the Sudan. About Islam he wrote:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries.

The Churchill Centre https://winstonchurchill.org has confirmed these words were indeed written by Winston Churchill:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live."

Churchill continued: "A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of s***ery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."

"Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

The above-quoted passage appeared in Winston Churchill's "The River War" when it was first published as a two-volume set in 1899, but the se******n was removed when the book was condensed into one volume and republished in 1902."

However, for those who have studied the Qur'an with discernment, and have had the opportunity to live and work among Muslims, as well as those who study Islamic history without bias, Churchill's t***hfulness will forever stand.

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Feb 3, 2023 10:25:21   #
Radiance3
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I loved math too...
Although I didn't become an accountant
I h**ed the slow classes...


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Lol... You should have been a math teacher!.

I worked all numbers all day. Numbers, and economics were my favorites.

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Feb 3, 2023 14:26:55   #
martsiva
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Not full faith.. As you are well aware that numerous part a of the Bible have been proven false or rejected by various denominations...


Examples please.

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